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#1 OFFLINE   Clampigirl

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:25 PM

Sweetest Anne @ annedauphine accidentally found this article discussing Lana Del Rey’s sadness, the idea of what a woman should be, pain and really interprets her songs in a different and kinda interesting way. Read it! I read parts of it because I’m a little busy (I guess) but I’ll read it all as soon as I can.
Anne also says hi and that she misses you all. :heart:

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:26 PM

wait what happened to her?

 

edit: to anne


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:29 PM

wait what happened to her?
 
edit: to anne

She just needed to take a break from this place for a while. :)

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:29 PM

stopped reading after the introduction bc this fake personal growth positivity bs thing is tyring to read about especially when it comes to lanz 

thought lana stand would be over it now that lanz has confirmed lfl was more pretending than actual growth 


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:41 PM

Sendin love to Anne and hope she is back on here makin flower gardens out of this forum again soon xxx
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:54 PM

lanz has confirmed lfl was more pretending than actual growth 

 

Are you referring to the Harper's Bazaar interview? Because that's not what she said at all. 

 

 

 

I think I'm always expecting to wake up at the beginning of January and feel like a brand new person, and the same with the record. I'm always expecting to be the next version of myself by the time I'm done.

 

Actually I am feeling like there has been a continued shift throughout this record, but not in the way I thought it would be. I think I wait for this "aha" moment to dawn upon me, and things don't really work like that. Growth doesn't always happen in a straight line. It's not like you wake up one day, and you're like, "Now I'm gonna do disco!" and I'm a new genre. It's more like, progress is back and forth and I think it's just having the willingness to want, for me.

 

It's not that LFL was "pretending". In fact, she has demonstrated growth as she has a better understanding of what growth is for her.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:05 PM

Lmao. We're talking about the fact that LFL was Lana trying to force herself into a positive direction to believe her own hype, which was fucking obvious. Also the fact that Hope Is A Dangerous Thing is a clear sign that she really is going down a self deception route, that she's not actually happy, and that she's ignoring her emotions and pain rather than dealing with them, "they write that I'm happy, they know that I'm not, but at least I can say I'm not sad" is Lana's way of telling us she's bottling up what she feels, because you're not supposed to feel nothing lmao. Feeling nothing is a clear sign of depression and I'm surprised you guys haven't pointed it out, because it's not like healthy people feel empty and nothingness. Don't forget Lana's also currently seeking guidance from a place like Hillsong. So all signs point to the answer, if you choose to ignore them as a fan, or as a human being, then I don't know what world you live in. You would think by now people would be more aware of mental illness seeing as it's effects so many people.
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

Lmao. We're talking about the fact that LFL was Lana trying to force herself into a positive direction to believe her own hype, which was fucking obvious. Also the fact that Hope Is A Dangerous Thing is a clear sign that she really is going down a self deception route, that she's not actually happy, and that she's ignoring her emotions and pain rather than dealing with them, "they write that I'm happy, they know that I'm not, but at least I can say I'm not sad" is Lana's way of telling us she's bottling up what she feels, because you're not supposed to feel nothing lmao. Feeling nothing is a clear sign of depression and I'm surprised you guys haven't pointed it out, because it's not like healthy people feel empty and nothingness. Don't forget Lana's also currently seeking guidance from a place like Hillsong. So all signs point to the answer, if you choose to ignore them as a fan, or as a human being, then I don't know what world you live in. You would think by now people would be more aware of mental illness seeing as it's effects so many people.

 

Lana points out that she still has "monsters under her bed that she never could fight off" in Hope. I'm pretty sure she's aware of her depression, mood disorder or whatever, and no one is trying to deny it. She just doesn't explicitly talk about it because it's none of our business!  :headache:  

 

So maybe she was having a manic episode before or during LFL, that doesn't mean she was "forcing" herself in a positive direction. Maybe she had a short period where she was feeling better but it didn't last. That's okay. That's part of mental illness. The fact is we don't know what's going on in her mind -- not even you do -- so you perhaps could do with a little less condescension.  :umadney:


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:53 PM

I think you can live with misery 


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:00 PM

Has it occurred to any of these journalist at any point that maybe in the past Lana wasn't just some lost longing puppy who's only desire was to fulfill the needs of her men and she was in fact a woman in charge and aware of her choices and enjoyed doing the things she's claimed in her music? Is there a certain requirement for what is deemed self empowered women? Must all self empowered women have a disdain for carrying such traits as Lana had previously shown? Who's to say she wasn't a strong independent woman to begin with? 


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:03 PM

Lana points out that she still has "monsters under her bed that she never could fight off" in Hope. I'm pretty sure she's aware of her depression, mood disorder or whatever, and no one is trying to deny it. She just doesn't explicitly talk about it because it's none of our business! :headache:

So maybe she was having a manic episode before or during LFL, that doesn't mean she was "forcing" herself in a positive direction. Maybe she had a short period where she was feeling better but it didn't last. That's okay. That's part of mental illness. The fact is we don't know what's going on in her mind -- not even you do -- so you perhaps could do with a little less condescension. :umadney:

Oh of course it's none of our business, don't worry I don't think we should know. I'm just stating to think Lana is happy right now isn't exactly right. Mental illness is something we deal with everyday of our lives, and I know this from personal experience. I was just stating that the actions she's been taking have been very telling, and that many people I know who suffer from depression/anxiety/mental illness/ go through a stage of denial, while also being aware of their illness. They'll start working out, taking care of themselves, telling themselves positive mantras, all while the dark demon that is mental illness is still fighting against that in their subconscious. It's more so a journey of self discovery, rather than finding out how you feel. Yes, figuring out how you feel is important, but WHY do you feel that way. What is the main underlying problem. Yes you can do positive things, but that's like putting a fresh coat of paint on a house that's decaying, you need to fix your foundation first. Did something happen to you in life? Was this sadness passed onto you by your parents? Is it emotional? Psychological? Is it a lack of dopamine? Is your mind regulating chemicals properly? Are you eating properly? Are you on any substances? Etc. There's so many things that play into this. That's why I'm saying if Lana is just telling herself positive things, changing friends and drinking a smoothie here or there, yes it works for a month, maybe 6 months, maybe a year, but it's not a life plan. It's like clicking the snooze button, eventually you have to wake up. All I'm stating is, it's almost impossible Lana went from singing songs like the blackest day to lust for life in less than 2 years time and believing that it's all past her now. Your problems cannot be fixed that quickly. Again, yes it's none of our business, and there's lots to the situation we do not know, but it is very naive to think Lana has fully recovered from 30 years of being depressed.

I'd say research the interview that leaked from 2017 that's an hour long, it was a magazine interview that was recorded and the recording leaked. Lana cries many times in it, and when asked about being happy, she said something like "I just really don't know" which breaks my heart because I and many others I know have gone through that "hope" for something better while being uncertain about how we feel, when deep down we know we're not happy.
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:06 PM

Oh of course it's none of our business, don't worry I don't think we should know. I'm just stating to think Lana is happy right now isn't exactly right. Mental illness is something we deal with everyday of our lives, and I know this from personal experience. I was just stating that the actions she's been taking have been very telling, and that many people I know who suffer from depression/anxiety/mental illness/ go through a stage of denial, while also being aware of their illness. They'll start working out, taking care of themselves, telling themselves positive mantras, all while the dark demon that is mental illness is still fighting against that in their subconscious. It's more so a journey of self discovery, rather than finding out how you feel. Yes, figuring out how you feel is important, but WHY do you feel that way. What is the main underlying problem. Yes you can do positive things, but that's like putting a fresh coat of paint on a house that's decaying, you need to fix your foundation first. Did something happen to you in life? Was this sadness passed onto you by your parents? Is it emotional? Psychological? Is it a lack of dopamine? Is your mind regulating chemicals properly? Are you eating properly? Are you on any substances? Etc. There's so many things that play into this. That's why I'm saying if Lana is just telling herself positive things, changing friends and drinking a smoothie here or there, yes it works for a month, maybe 6 months, maybe a year, but it's not a life plan. It's like clicking the snooze button, eventually you have to wake up. All I'm stating is, it's almost impossible Lana went from singing songs like the blackest day to lust for life in less than 2 years time and believing that it's all past her now. Your problems cannot be fixed that quickly. Again, yes it's none of our business, and there's lots to the situation we do not know, but it is very naive to think Lana ilhas fully recovered from 30 years of being depressed.

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:09 PM

you know i grow to love you more every time i read your posts


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:22 PM

Also I found out I was talking about the pitchfork interview Lana did. It's somewhere in the audio that she talks about how she feels and it's very telling/sad. I can't find it right now though hmm
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:29 PM

Oh of course it's none of our business, don't worry I don't think we should know. I'm just stating to think Lana is happy right now isn't exactly right. Mental illness is something we deal with everyday of our lives, and I know this from personal experience. I was just stating that the actions she's been taking have been very telling, and that many people I know who suffer from depression/anxiety/mental illness/ go through a stage of denial, while also being aware of their illness. They'll start working out, taking care of themselves, telling themselves positive mantras, all while the dark demon that is mental illness is still fighting against that in their subconscious. It's more so a journey of self discovery, rather than finding out how you feel. Yes, figuring out how you feel is important, but WHY do you feel that way. What is the main underlying problem. Yes you can do positive things, but that's like putting a fresh coat of paint on a house that's decaying, you need to fix your foundation first. Did something happen to you in life? Was this sadness passed onto you by your parents? Is it emotional? Psychological? Is it a lack of dopamine? Is your mind regulating chemicals properly? Are you eating properly? Are you on any substances? Etc. There's so many things that play into this. That's why I'm saying if Lana is just telling herself positive things, changing friends and drinking a smoothie here or there, yes it works for a month, maybe 6 months, maybe a year, but it's not a life plan. It's like clicking the snooze button, eventually you have to wake up. All I'm stating is, it's almost impossible Lana went from singing songs like the blackest day to lust for life in less than 2 years time and believing that it's all past her now. Your problems cannot be fixed that quickly. Again, yes it's none of our business, and there's lots to the situation we do not know, but it is very naive to think Lana has fully recovered from 30 years of being depressed.

I'd say research the interview that leaked from 2017 that's an hour long, it was a magazine interview that was recorded and the recording leaked. Lana cries many times in it, and when asked about being happy, she said something like "I just really don't know" which breaks my heart because I and many others I know have gone through that "hope" for something better while being uncertain about how we feel, when deep down we know we're not happy.

 

This, more than anything, sounds like you projecting your own experience of your mental illness on Lana. Especially since you're making such grand assumptions about her struggle with such little information on how she's actually approaching it. It's easy to assume that all we see is all that happens, but that's not true. Were you in her therapy sessions? Have you had an exclusive peek into her private diary that nobody else has?  :erm:  

 

Let me make my position clear: I don't believe Lana has recovered from whatever trauma she experienced or whatever mental illness she might have. But I do believe her understanding of her mental illness has improved, and, as you have yourself explained, that is an important step towards being better able to deal with it. This is the growth I'm referring to  :um2:


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:54 PM

This, more than anything, sounds like you projecting your own experience of your mental illness on Lana. Especially since you're making such grand assumptions about her struggle with such little information on how she's actually approaching it. It's easy to assume that all we see is all that happens, but that's not true. Were you in her therapy sessions? Have you had an exclusive peek into her private diary that nobody else has? :erm:

Let me make my position clear: I don't believe Lana has recovered from whatever trauma she experienced or whatever mental illness she might have. But I do believe her understanding of her mental illness has improved, and, as you have yourself explained, that is an important step towards being better able to deal with it. This is the growth I'm referring to :um2:

Again, nowhere have I stated I have personally spoke to Lana about what's wrong, nor do any fans here assuming she's happy have proof of that. I'm just going off of things that are based on what she said. For instance, the pitchfork interview, the lyrics to Hope (which Lana said herself were personal) and her overall behavior. Of course she has grown as a human being, again I never stated she hasn't. I'm simply stating you cannot fully fix your psyche in the span of a couple years. It takes at least, AT LEAST a good 5 years to even fix most of the foundation, and they'll still be some things left to fix. So as I stated, don't take this in any way as me having personal info on her, because that's been your point twice now. As I stated and will keep stating, I'm just going off the information we have access to. I don't really know what's going on, you don't, the other fans don't, etc. The only difference is, everything she's stated and said points towards her still struggling with navigating life, so at least I have very little info to back me up, whereas those who are stating she's happy or doing great don't have any info at all. Again though, just so you don't repeat yourself, I don't know anything, you don't know anything, and none of us do. Also I acknowledge that she has grown, I'm just not sold on her being fully recovered as some of you are. That is all. :heart:
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:34 PM

Again, nowhere have I stated I have personally spoke to Lana about what's wrong, nor do any fans here assuming she's happy have proof of that. I'm just going off of things that are based on what she said. For instance, the pitchfork interview, the lyrics to Hope (which Lana said herself were personal) and her overall behavior. Of course she has grown as a human being, again I never stated she hasn't. I'm simply stating you cannot fully fix your psyche in the span of a couple years. It takes at least, AT LEAST a good 5 years to even fix most of the foundation, and they'll still be some things left to fix. So as I stated, don't take this in any way as me having personal info on her, because that's been your point twice now. As I stated and will keep stating, I'm just going off the information we have access to. I don't really know what's going on, you don't, the other fans don't, etc. The only difference is, everything she's stated and said points towards her still struggling with navigating life, so at least I have very little info to back me up, whereas those who are stating she's happy or doing great don't have any info at all. Again though, just so you don't repeat yourself, I don't know anything, you don't know anything, and none of us do. Also I acknowledge that she has grown, I'm just not sold on her being fully recovered as some of you are. That is all. :heart:

 

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:40 PM

Thanks for admitting to your shortcomings! I admire your introspection :umadney:


We're only as strong as our willingness to growth! And bitch I wanna grow and absorb as much info and lessons from others as I can :thumb3: but yeah neither one of us is REALLY right, I mean we both made some good points and backed them up, but life is individual perspective and experience, so somewhere in what you said and I said lies the puzzle pieces to the truth :blush2: :heart:
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:46 PM

We're only as strong as our willingness to growth! And bitch I wanna grow and absorb as much info and lessons from others as I can :thumb3: but yeah neither one of us is REALLY right, I mean we both made some good points and backed them up, but life is individual perspective and experience, so somewhere in what you said and I said lies the puzzle pieces to the truth :blush2: :heart:

 

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 06:03 PM

We love a balanced and fair Lana Board user who doesn't put his ego above his personal development :smile:


I admit though sometimes I get WAY too passionate and then go off track and end up scaring people off because I get too aggressive and then everything I said doesn't really matter because I come off as a bitch :biblio: but I'm working on her :poordat:
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