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Poll: Norman Fucking Rockwell! (653 member(s) have cast votes)

What are your favourite tracks from NFR?

  1. Norman Fucking Rockwell (245 votes [7.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.21%

  2. Mariners Apartment Complex (219 votes [6.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.44%

  3. Venice Bitch (333 votes [9.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.80%

  4. Fuck It, I Love You (222 votes [6.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.53%

  5. Doin' Time (164 votes [4.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.82%

  6. Love Song (261 votes [7.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.68%

  7. Cinnamon Girl (357 votes [10.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.50%

  8. How to Disappear (132 votes [3.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.88%

  9. California (371 votes [10.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.91%

  10. The Next Best American Record (138 votes [4.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.06%

  11. The Greatest (315 votes [9.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.27%

  12. Bartender (258 votes [7.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.59%

  13. Happiness is a Butterfly (259 votes [7.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.62%

  14. hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it (125 votes [3.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.68%

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#5341 OFFLINE   domandapiano

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 11:32 PM

I think the jingle bells are intentionally Christmas-y. The song sounds to me like a note from Lana in California to someone in NY during winter. She isn’t experiencing snow and winter but the person reading the note is. Like the “I watch the skies getting light as I write as I think about the years” is referring to the letter she is writing early in the morning.
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#5342 OFFLINE   recklessdaughter

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 11:43 PM

I think the jingle bells are intentionally Christmas-y. The song sounds to me like a note from Lana in California to someone in NY during winter. She isn’t experiencing snow and winter but the person reading the note is.


There’s no subtext in the song that implies Christmas or even winter though. How to Disappear isn’t River. They sound more like a homage to The Beach Boys or The Byrds, or even Fleetwood Mac. They just sound nostalgic like the rest of the song. If anything, they just seem to emphasize the lyrics, especially when they come in, like she’s stressing to us how much he really means to her. I feel like the current “jingle bells = Christmas” mindset is limiting people from seeing the song as anything except a Christmas song even though there’s nothing to suggest the song even relates to winter or any holidays.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 12:07 AM

Here's my take. The volume increasing and the jingle bells becoming more prominent toward the end of HTD reflect a musical irony (in the non-Alanis-Morissette sense) of the person singing getting stronger and more life anchored, even though the person she has sung about has done the reverse (i.e., disappeared). Of course, for Lanaboards, the jingle bells and increasing volume at that part of the song reflect irony in the Alanis-Morissette sense (i.e., just something bad happening).


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 12:22 AM

anyway 

 

HTD is a Christmas Song


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 12:37 AM

HTD tells a complete story and is wonderfully written.

 

The very last part of the song is Lana daydreaming about New York during winter.

 

First half:

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#5346 OFFLINE   Astral Chain

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 12:43 AM

Second half:

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#5347 OFFLINE   Creyk

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 12:59 AM

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 01:55 AM

There’s no subtext in the song that implies Christmas or even winter though. How to Disappear isn’t River. They sound more like a homage to The Beach Boys or The Byrds, or even Fleetwood Mac. They just sound nostalgic like the rest of the song. If anything, they just seem to emphasize the lyrics, especially when they come in, like she’s stressing to us how much he really means to her. I feel like the current “jingle bells = Christmas” mindset is limiting people from seeing the song as anything except a Christmas song even though there’s nothing to suggest the song even relates to winter or any holidays.


It’s definitely not a Christmas or winter song. It’s about Southern California! I don’t think they’re ‘jingle bells,’ I think it’s a tambourine. What do the song credits state? Certainly not jingle bells.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 01:59 AM

It’s definitely not a Christmas or winter song. It’s about Southern California! I don’t think they’re ‘jingle bells,’ I think it’s a tambourine. What do the song credits state? Certainly not jingle bells.


The credits don’t mention tambourines or jingle bells. I assume they’re included in percussion, so it’s not very specific. If they’re tambourines, they’re probably layered, but you’re right that it could be either. That’s why I keep mentioning Fleetwood Mac too because they kinda remind me of Stevie’s tambourine.

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:20 AM

The credits don’t mention tambourines or jingle bells. I assume they’re included in percussion, so it’s not very specific. If they’re tambourines, they’re probably layered, but you’re right that it could be either. That’s why I keep mentioning Fleetwood Mac too because they kinda remind me of Stevie’s tambourine.


Thanks, RD.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 05:22 AM

It's christmas and HTD is on repeat all day.


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 02:23 PM

Anyone know where to find the full version of this? You have to pay to access the site I think. Sorry if it's been posted before.

 

 

https://mixwiththemasters.com/itt35


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 03:22 PM

she started work with Jack on January, in a photo we can see a christimas tree behind her, HTD has strong influenced by that


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#5354 OFFLINE   Ivory Cricket

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 03:23 PM

I must confess I never knew what Jack looked like, so when I started seeing gifs of him on this board, my first thought was that they were from a meme about a parody of some autistic man spazing out.

 

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 03:30 PM

Happiness is a Butterfly just getting better and better after each listen.

 

can't say the same about California  :smokes:


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 03:46 PM

The "tt-t" in Bartender sound to me like the sound of a bottle opening ... Did anyone else notice that?

(But it can also just be an illusion of this guy here, who works listening to this sound almost all day, seven days a week. So...)
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:10 PM

Anyone know where to find the full version of this? You have to pay to access the site I think. Sorry if it's been posted before.

 

 

https://mixwiththemasters.com/itt35

her mariners vocals at the end there sounded much clearer than the final version, weird


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:21 PM

her mariners vocals at the end there sounded much clearer than the final version, weird


It’s the real mix of the song before Lana request them to muffle it like she always does.
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#5359 OFFLINE   FallingCherry

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:52 PM

Anyone know where to find the full version of this? You have to pay to access the site I think. Sorry if it's been posted before.

https://www.youtube....h?v=I9ywh5JLuaM

https://mixwiththemasters.com/itt35


Yeah, I'd love the full version too. I always love hearing Jack talk about the way he produces things, it's so interesting!
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 05:02 PM

Y'all so naive... don't you guys see? The jingle bells in HTD kick in as she says "but I love that man like nobody can". HTD is not only a christmas song, but a christmas song about Santa Claus! He moves mountains by travelling the whole world in one night to deliver all the gifts and he pounds them to ground again by making the task so easy. Lana wants to fuck Santa Claus.

 

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