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What are your favourite tracks from NFR?

  1. Norman Fucking Rockwell (252 votes [7.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.20%

  2. Mariners Apartment Complex (228 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  3. Venice Bitch (345 votes [9.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.86%

  4. Fuck It, I Love You (231 votes [6.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.60%

  5. Doin' Time (171 votes [4.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.89%

  6. Love Song (265 votes [7.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.58%

  7. Cinnamon Girl (364 votes [10.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.41%

  8. How to Disappear (136 votes [3.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.89%

  9. California (378 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  10. The Next Best American Record (143 votes [4.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.09%

  11. The Greatest (325 votes [9.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.29%

  12. Bartender (265 votes [7.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.58%

  13. Happiness is a Butterfly (266 votes [7.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.60%

  14. hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it (129 votes [3.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.69%

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#6561 OFFLINE   Neptune

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:33 AM

Not that I necessarily dislike those songs (even if California and TNBAR are quite boring and uninspired for me), they just don't go well with the album's sonority. It felt so cohesive and flowed so, so naturally and sensefully without them.

The transition from FIILY to Love Song, p.example, was absolutely smooth and beautiful without DT in between.

 

Was playing it earlier and skipping the tracks, and sonically, its goes a lot smoother. 

Do you think the tracks were worth putting on the record, if at all? Granted, I think it was a bit random adding DT on there, but I also think it's a great reset song. California and TNBAR the conflict tracks I get how they'd sound a bit vapid w lines, Bartender's a cooldown track forsure. I get that it's a diff of opinion, but did ya just blurt them out? 


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Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:42 AM

I think DT and TNBAR are the only songs that doesn't fit there.

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 01:05 PM

Was playing it earlier and skipping the tracks, and sonically, its goes a lot smoother. 

Do you think the tracks were worth putting on the record, if at all? Granted, I think it was a bit random adding DT on there, but I also think it's a great reset song. California and TNBAR the conflict tracks I get how they'd sound a bit vapid w lines, Bartender's a cooldown track forsure. I get that it's a diff of opinion, but did ya just blurt them out? 

I'm glad that you found the listening experience smoother that way, too ;)  I don't think, actually, that the album loses anything if removing them, but exactly the opposite. Maybe they would have been nice as bonus tracks, but in the context of the album, they don't truly add, from my perspective. Even Bartender, which I love as a song, sounds out of place there.


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Posted 25 March 2020 - 01:16 PM

I think DT and TNBAR are the only songs that doesn't fit there.


I love TNBAR I think it fits pretty nice with the rest of the tracklist. But I agree that DT doesn’t really fit nicely.

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 01:39 PM

I love TNBAR I think it fits pretty nice with the rest of the tracklist. But I agree that DT doesn’t really fit nicely.

Agree with you that DT, while being a fun summer track, is not in the same vein as the other songs. But it’s the bop that album needed, honestly. Love NFR, love its subtleties and its overall feeling, but DT brings a little lightness to it, even if it doesn’t feel connected to the rest of the album.
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Posted 25 March 2020 - 01:56 PM

Agree with you that DT, while being a fun summer track, is not in the same vein as the other songs. But it’s the bop that album needed, honestly. Love NFR, love its subtleties and its overall feeling, but DT brings a little lightness to it, even if it doesn’t feel connected to the rest of the album.


Exactly! Very much agree with you on that note. It gives the record that little spark and it’s that one song you can show your friends and they’ll probably like it lol. I see it as a little introduction of the essence of the record. It’s fun and the perfect summer song!
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Posted 25 March 2020 - 03:50 PM

I feel like this album is her least cohesive album, and yet still cohesive in a weird way?

idk, lol. 



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Posted 25 March 2020 - 04:40 PM

I feel like this album is her least cohesive album, and yet still cohesive in a weird way?

idk, lol. 

For me Lust For Life is her least cohesive album. NFR has the same mood on every song except for DT.


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Posted 25 March 2020 - 07:57 PM

I feel like this album is her least cohesive album, and yet still cohesive in a weird way?
idk, lol.

To me, NFR, with Season of the Witch and Looking for America, is what she had in mind initially when crafting LFL: something a bit hopeful and sad, a bit folky/singer-songwriter, something a bit witchy, and a bit political as well. It’s a more cohesive LFL, in my mind. I don’t disregard LFL at all (it’s a very good summer album, very diverse), it’s all over the place and I love it because it reflects what I was going through three years ago, but NFR is with UV and HM when it comes to cohesiveness.
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Posted 25 March 2020 - 08:03 PM

still unhappy with How To Disappear. It could have been my fav track and it ended up being my least fav. WTF Lana. Re-release it with the piano original version u teased. I don't want to listen to live recordings. I don't want to hear the public...


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Posted 25 March 2020 - 09:54 PM

I'm glad that you found the listening experience smoother that way, too ;)  I don't think, actually, that the album loses anything if removing them, but exactly the opposite. Maybe they would have been nice as bonus tracks, but in the context of the album, they don't truly add, from my perspective. Even Bartender, which I love as a song, sounds out of place there.

 

Mm forsure. But man, I can't believe it. Respect ur opinion tho 


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Posted 25 March 2020 - 11:19 PM

Mm forsure. But man, I can't believe it. Respect ur opinion tho 

 

Hahahaha... No problem, man. The way we experience art always differs amongst different people, and I know that for many the album is perfect, or near perfect, just the way Lana released it, but also there's many of us who found problematic to enjoy it given the structure and heterogeneity of the songs on it, and that's why I left here my own found way to fully enjoy it.


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Posted 26 March 2020 - 03:03 AM

To me, NFR, with Season of the Witch and Looking for America, is what she had in mind initially when crafting LFL: something a bit hopeful and sad, a bit folky/singer-songwriter, something a bit witchy, and a bit political as well. It’s a more cohesive LFL, in my mind. I don’t disregard LFL at all (it’s a very good summer album, very diverse), it’s all over the place and I love it because it reflects what I was going through three years ago, but NFR is with UV and HM when it comes to cohesiveness.

 

omg, u right. how can I forgot about how all over the place Lust for Life was  :facepalm:

Haven't listened to it in a while.

 

But I guess the reason why I feel NFR is not as cohesive as UV and Honeymoon are, is because of the tracklist order. 

I think The Greatest would fit much better after FILY. Also Doin Time and Cinnamon Girl should be back to back because both have an alt pop vibe to it (I think). Love Song between DT and CG is a little off. I feel like it should be:

NFR - MAC - VB - FILY - TG - LS - CG - DT - HTD and so on.

But hey, u can change it on ur own, so it's not a big problem I guess. 


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#6574 OFFLINE   LanaBoi

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:19 AM

Not that I necessarily dislike those songs (even if California and TNBAR are quite boring and uninspired for me), they just don't go well with the album's sonority. It felt so cohesive and flowed so, so naturally and sensefully without them.

The transition from FIILY to Love Song, p.example, was absolutely smooth and beautiful without DT in between.

 

I respect your opinions but for me California is one of the most important tracks on the album :D :D 


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 01:47 PM

I respect your opinions but for me California is one of the most important tracks on the album :D :D

 

I know that many, many fans adore the song, yet I can't stand it... Don't think that it fits at all with the elegance and seriousness of the album (or what the album sounds like for me once DT, California and TNBAR are removed from it, better said), and don't like either the song itself . By the way, readded Bartender to my tracklist on NFR, I ended getting that it actually had a necesary place on it, after The Greatest.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:33 PM

I know that many, many fans adore the song, yet I can't stand it... Don't think that it fits at all with the elegance and seriousness of the album (or what the album sounds like for me once DT, California and TNBAR are removed from it, better said), and don't like either the song itself . By the way, readded Bartender to my tracklist on NFR, I ended getting that it actually had a necesary place on it, after The Greatest.

The last three more « acoustic » tracks, after The Greatest, form a new kind of message: after the grandeur of desolation and loss on TG, things have shifted, we’re back to a new form of culture, one simpler, more intimate. A sorta of « let’s go back to basics ». And Bartender is also a burst of hope after the sadness of TG.
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:54 PM

 

But I guess the reason why I feel NFR is not as cohesive as UV and Honeymoon are, is because of the tracklist order. 

I think The Greatest would fit much better after FILY. 

 

But The Greatest is like the climax of the album, coming after FILY would be way too early I think.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 03:08 PM

The last three more « acoustic » tracks, after The Greatest, form a new kind of message: after the grandeur of desolation and loss on TG, things have shifted, we’re back to a new form of culture, one simpler, more intimate. A sorta of « let’s go back to basics ». And Bartender is also a burst of hope after the sadness of TG.

 

I see it from a similar perspective... Bartender is somehow a beautiful way to remember why the narrative of the album was optimist on the first songs of it, an emotional reset and a reminder that the world yet holds tons of mysteries and wonders to admire and be intrigued about. The last three songs (being LFA in my tracklist the last one) sound for me as lullabies, beautiful and sincere songs that try to comfort the listener -and Lana herself- after what's been an intense experience, yet keeping beating the self consciousness that's maybe the vital constant on the album. 

 

It's truly amazing how just removing three songs -the three ones that weren't intended to be on it since the beggining (as Lana stated on the early pre-release instances that the album contained 11 songs)-, and adding LFA as a bonus track, has changed inmensely the way I can approach to the personal statement and the whole aesthetic Lana was going for with NFR. I can say now, after many, many listens, that I absolutely love and feel on a deep level what she has done with this project, and that it for sure marks an inflection point on what she is as an artist. 


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:28 PM

random but let's say her last few albums had had deluxe editions which songs would you make bonus tracks and how would that affect the tracklist?



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:35 PM

this project just keeps on growing on me with time. title track, mac, vb, fiily, tg, and hiab have my heart


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