Lana covers "Complex" magazine - August/September Issue

[Creyk 11,495]

OMG, what a thread.
I for one don't really understand the problem with different approaches to sex.

I mean, it's your business, it's personal, it's not like someone else has any say in what you do.

It's only when you care about getting other's approval that you would need to even think about "is doing this right, or wrong". I mean, who cares what you do behind closed doors really? They shouldn't.

The whole thing is overcomplicated by people who make too big of a deal of something simple which we are all doing anyway

[HEARTCORE 18,833]

@@FormerLanaFan

 

grow the fuck up.

not everyone shares the same views as you and you have to deal with that. you can't just stick your head in the sand and completely ignore Lana simply because her sexual views do not match yours (which, I must admit, are stringently misogynistic). don't you dare criticise other people's views and deem them inferior. if a person doesn't see sex as being as sacred as religion tells us, so fucking what? how on earth does that make them morally inferior? why must someone's sexual liberation be negative? and, really, other people's sexual preferences shouldn't affect your life. if the way that other people live makes you so upset that you refuse to associate with them, then i have to say that you must live a very sad life.

[CherryGalore 99]

What’s the relationship between violence and love?

 

I like a physical love. I like a hands-on love. [Pauses.] How can I say this without getting into too much trouble? I like a tangible, passionate love. For me, if it isn’t physical, I’m not interested. Everything I do feels so organized: touring, playing a show night after night with a couple months in between to make a record, and being in charge of all of it—mixing, mastering. Sometimes I meet people with a lot of fire and energy. Mentally, maybe we’re not that similar. Telepathically, we’re not on that same wavelength. If there’s a physicality and a chemistry, that ends up winning for me every time because it’s the opposite of what I have every day.

 

Who’s the last person you met who made you feel like that?

Dan Auerbach, for better or for worse.

 

Me speculating big time: Lana and Dan had a fling/an affair and maybe the "for better or worse" is because it was the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to her relationship with Barrie?     

[LiamViljoen 908]

from my experience every pussy taste the same, it's just a moist hole.

I'm sorry what the fuck is happening to this thread?

[LifeisBeautiful 152]

@@FormerLanaFan I dont think you paid attention to what I said. I dont ascribe to the free love philosophy for myself because Im just not that type of person. But I respect other women's possession of their own bodies. That is all. Ive never thought Lana was particularly romantic in song. I like her crassness and direct attitude.

 

And holy shit, how can you say what you said about pussy? Thats more fucked up than you thinking Lana is a whore.

[Rebel 3,176]

Is a fan seriously slut shaming Lana? Jesus fucking christ.

[Wilde_child 490]

Sal Mineo was a great guy who liked to screw around, mainly with guys, but few people think less of him because of that. Marilyn, on the other hand is still viewed as a slut by ignorant moralists. She was only liberated, ahead of her time, tame compared to today's girls... Double standards really suck.

[COLACNT 5,170]

Lana is a beautiful woman but I never thought sexually about her.

 

of course you haven't. because you have a wife, and that would be morally detestable 

 

lmao forever 

[LiamViljoen 908]

@@FormerLanaFan

I can still taste puke in my mouth after having read your previous comments. It's sickening that you try to excuse your basic slut shaming as moral guidance. We're living in the 21st century, women shouldn't be made to feel morally inept because they occasionally have consenting casual sex. They certainly shouldn't be labelled whores. You, as a father and husband, should be more mature than that. I also find it reprehensible that you have the audacity to blame our outrage at your comments on our own youthful sex-drive. You have a daughter for God's sakes, she shouldn't have to worry about you disowning her should she choose to live a healthy sex life.

[PrettyBaby 2,213]

I don't want to give bloodredjam/formerlanafan too hard a time. These sort of feelings are deeply rooted in worldview, and I think he's brave to express them so honestly. Sometimes it can help people to give them the "hard truth," but sometimes our best intentions just end up harming people. Especially when our worldview is rooted in religion (that is, our attempts to relate to God), it can be very difficult to see when maybe we're going down a path God never asked us to go down.

 

#askmehowIknow

[evilentity 13,303]

tl;dr: @@FormerLanaFan to Lana: I'm a drag and you're a whore.
 

She exaggerates her sexuality mainly through awkward statements in interviews that are contradicted by some of her observed behaviors: the promiscuous girl fantasy. She had a 3 year long relationship with Barrie and I never heard something serious regarding that she cheated on him. She created me the image of a good girl that fantasizes about being bad. Driving at night on the metro and writing, going to the beach, roller-coasters, and the pictures with her sister and her father hanging out: for a bad baby she’s too much involved with her family, she hangs out too much with her sister which is a very benign being btw.

Ok, so your issue with her is that she doesn't live up to your (a man's) fantasy image of her and your expectations of her sexual behavior as a woman? Do you not see how problematic this is?
 

Maybe she was involved with guys from another label or with lesser guys from 5 Point? Not likely, because we would found something about that online.

Would we have though? I've been in the Lana sleuthing game for almost 3 years now and have developed something of a reputation for it and I still find myself surprised at new information and how it reshapes my understanding of her. Also, there's a possibility the label head claim may not be as interesting as it sounds. Everybody and their brother has a label these days. Ben even had one.
 

Sexuality it’s a private thing and people in the GP reacts strongly towards these type of statements. And of course the “annoyed that the whoring didn't resulted in record deals” will not be perceived as sarcasm by a large proportion of the GP. Second, is her problem understanding the consequence of this statement on her future inner wellbeing. I remember the student from Duke University who wanted to pay for her tuition with porn money which is a reminder that there is no fresh start after you do or say certain things in public.

Her alleged promiscuity is just contradicting with her statements about being a good person, helping the community and being with her family.

I dunno. You seem to be the only one reacting strongly about this. (Not that I haven't been about the only person objecting to something on here before. ) Also, when she said "I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry" she may simply have meant that a lot of the guys she fucked were in the industry, not that she's fucked a lot of guys in absolute terms. Even if she was, comparing someone who has "slept with a lot of guys" with a porn star is not a fair comparison, but FWIW that Duke porn star seems pretty content with her decision. Also FWIW, there's a fair amount of transactional sex suggested in Lana's lyrics. How is this only bothering you now? And WTF do private sexual acts have to do with being a good person, being involved in your community, or your relationship with your father, mother, and siblings?
 

This is not the Beatles era, this is instant fucking news era="Lana is the biggest and fakest whore in the world" era. [/font][/color]

I remind you Michael Cassio's line from Othello: "Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial. My reputation, Iago, my reputation!"

No, it's not the Beatles era, though your attitudes about women and sex seem imported straight from it. I can't help but laugh at the irony and lack of self-awareness in your reference to Othello, a man so obsessed with a woman's believed promiscuity that (spoiler alert) it drives him to murder, and ultimately suicide.
 

she's hanging on your neck easily but when you touch her she's gonna give you a smack in your face

Um, what is this all about? Are we still talking about Lana?
 

I think that some of you don't comprehend the gravity of what she said. It's everywhere in the world in every shithole where the Lana Del Rey name was never heard before and now she's portrayed like the biggest whore in the music industry. No one would want to associate with her anymore, you believe that Katty Perry or Taylor Swift will take a picture with her or want to sit next to her at the Grammys? This statement shades people that worked with her at her label who will feel uncomfortable and will have a negative attitude towards her (I don't think D. Auerbach or any of her male producers liked her comment).

So far you're the only one portraying her like the biggest whore in the music industry. Personally I think T-Swift might privately high-five Lana and tell her to write kiss and tell songs about everybdy she fucked. And then she'd probably fuck Lana and write a song about it.

You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can sit me here next to Britney Spears?
Shit, Christina Aguilera Lana Del Rey better switch me chairs
So I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst James Franco and Dan Auerbach
And hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first first sucked cock
 

maybe I'm overreacting

Just maybe.
 

I cringe when I think back at her statements about her spirituality and her relationship with God. How proud are her parents when they hear from everywhere that their daughter fucked A LOT of people in the music industry. Bravo Lana!
https://twitter.com/LanaDReyCrew/status/490242489224556544/photo/1

What does one have to do with the other? Besides, for all we know, Pat might high-five her or be jealous.

My momma, she would love you like I love you
If she ever met you, if she ever knew
My momma, she would fall right on top of you
If she ever saw you, she’d be smitten too

I’ll never take you home
I want you all for my own
Don’t let my momma hear your pretty song
 

But it is my business at some level, I invested time and money in her artistry. Now, I cannot listen to her music it's making me nauseous. And I wasn't a casual fan. I don't project anything that is mine, I'm pointing out the incredible contradictory bullshit that she's putting out. I defended her many times online but this undefendable, the amount of mockery that will come towards her will break her down and I think that she lost all the credibility that she worked hard on since her stupid SNL show.

Right, the couple bucks you spent on her artistry entitles you to dictate her sex life. Really, her comment is "undefendable"? I see plenty of people doing just that.

 

[evilentity 13,303]

You are some German swinger I suppose. The most despicable people in the world.

Racist much?

 

You are some German Nazi I suppose. The most despicable people in the world. #GodwinsLaw

 

I grew up in purity culture; I was raised to see "girls who do" as something Other, and my parents even questioned whether a close female friend of mine was "a good person" upon finding out she was sexually active. I am ashamed to admit I bought into it long enough to wonder how I would relate to my own daughter if she grew up to be someone "believing in sex before marriage."

I have a daughter

Speaking of German, I'm not above schadenfreude. I really hope your daughter (@@FormerLanaFan's, not yours @@PrettyBaby) fucks around a lot when she grows up and doesn't care if you know it.

 

I don't want to evaluate my looks but financially I'm ok so I could pay for sex daily If this is what you mean

Oh god, where to even begin with this one...

 

What about Video Games, Blue Jeans, Dark Paradise and so on, you were really attracted to an cynical artist that promotes casual, emotionless sex? I don't think so, you were drawn to Lana's romanticism, any Lana song is about investing emotions in a relationship. I'm quite baffled that some of you tried to counter argue that Lana is a promoter of casual sex in 75% of her songs, it's quite the opposite

 

I hope that you (@@LifeisBeautiful) will found someone who will love you for what you are, sex will be part of that relationship. 

 

I'm really deploring some of your views on sexuality. I can understand it to a point because most of you are teenagers and the sex urges are just too strong at that age. Your position on sexuality isn't a surprise to me given that your generation has grown up on internet porn. Some of you think that what women and men want from sex is what you see in those inept productions. Be real, having casual sex (paid for) it's not hard to get in these days, it's not always fun (the myth of casual sex) but if you'll live your life that way you'll become an lonely empty shell. It's much harder to have a meaningful relationship with someone. Lana sung that her "Pussy tastes like Pepsi Cola", well from my experience every pussy taste the same, it's just a moist hole (and I think that women can say something similar about men). If that you're after, be my guest.

 

In my view, casual sex will always be morally inferior to serial monogamy which is the norm in any society and I think that Lana will be judged by the majority of people negatively.

I'm quite baffled that when Lana says she's "slept with a lot of guys" you seem to automatically assume it was all causal sex and never serial monogamy.

 

I'm not even gonna address the misogynist/objectifying undertones in the latter part of that post, but let me just explode some of the stereotypes in it. Speaking as an older fan, it's not just today's teenagers that grew up on internet porn. Anyone who spent any part of their teens in the internet age did. But when I was a teenager, despite my "urges", I also was a virgin by choice until marriage. And from personal experience I can say that that was the wrong choice for me. While not necessarily promoting sleeping around a ton, I think the broader view of sex endorsed by most posters here is far more healthy.

 

Who wants to be romantically involved with a self admitted whore?!

I think a lot of people find sexual experience a desirable quality in a partner.

 

I say this as someone who wishes there was more room in our culture for both women and men who wish to pursue celibacy before marriage.

In my country you're ultimately regarded as strange (and perverted! ha) if you don't have sex before marriage.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:

I think societal pressures to have sex, and to not have sex, are both very destructive forces.

[Wilde_child 490]

I was the good catholic girl my nana raised me to be for ages, while my friends were partying and screwing around. They lead happy, balanced lives. Look at me, I'm fucked up and sad and lonely for keeping celibate for so long. Now that I feel free and ok to do what I want with my body, it is too late. I can't find a girl who will be in a relationship with someone so problematic. The majority of the religious beliefs out there mess more with your head than being raised in a brothel, I say. There is no sin in enjoying sex.

[i am not a virgin but feel I wasted my teen years trying to be "good"].

[PrettyBaby 2,213]

@@Wilde_child I don't know your situation, but I don't believe that it's too late for you :hugs:

[LifeisBeautiful 152]

I was the good catholic girl my nana raised me to be for ages, while my friends were partying and screwing a round. The lead happy, balanced lives. Look at me, I'm fucked up and sad and lonely for keeping celibate for so long. Now that I feel free and ok to do what I want with my body, it is too late. I can't find a girl who will be in a relationship with someone so problematic. The majority of the religious beliefs out there mess more with your head than being raised in a brothel, I say. There is no sin in enjoying sex.

Same here, TBH. I think I read you are also LGBT? The church made me hate myself. I still actually have a lot of internalized homophobia I need to deal with. I am scared to be in a proper relationship with another lady-loving lady. I think my life would be a lot different and happier if religion hadnt interfered.

[CherryGalore 99]

evilentity, on 03 Dec 2012 - 6:11 PM, said:

I think societal pressures to have sex, and to not have sex, are both very destructive forces.

@@evilentity I don't think that was what we were debating...

[CherryGalore 99]

I was the good catholic girl my nana raised me to be for ages, while my friends were partying and screwing around. They lead happy, balanced lives. Look at me, I'm fucked up and sad and lonely for keeping celibate for so long. Now that I feel free and ok to do what I want with my body, it is too late. I can't find a girl who will be in a relationship with someone so problematic. The majority of the religious beliefs out there mess more with your head than being raised in a brothel, I say. There is no sin in enjoying sex.

[i am not a virgin but feel I wasted my teen years trying to be "good"].

 

How can it be too late? It's not too late until you're dead. You feel free and ok to do what you want with your body - then go be you 

[Wilde_child 490]

Sorry for TMI, my friends. Well, I felt wrong and sinful for being a lesbian and in denial until I became interested in Feminism and Gay rights. I am ok now but I regret believing in my family's hypocritical traditional values. Teens today have much more support to be themselves.

My mother was great tho... she had gay and dyke friends and went thru a lot of the stuff Lana sings about. Lana reminds me of her a bit (her crazy but free ways).

She was gone too soon.

I swear I am not that weird tho. LOL. Still believe in Ms. Right. I think it is too late coz the love of my life couldn't love me and lives with her girl now.

[NamiraWilhelm 5,031]

Evilentity never denied being a German swinger

[LiamViljoen 908]

Ignore this.