Lana covers "Complex" magazine - August/September Issue

[Pluto 1,579]

I really like this interview, I'll have to pick this magazine up.

[evilentity 13,303]

Evilentity never denied being a German swinger

Wasn't me being called one.

[Macintosh Manhattan 6,505]

I think that Lizzy Grant is in the midst of the psychological chaos created by the adoption of the Lana Del Rey character when she took the decision that Lizzy and Lana are the same person. Lana is a fantasy and Lizzy is just morphing strangely under this façade. There are two outcomes possible: She will become Lana Del Rey or she will melt psychologically at some point and we'll all know it.

 

I have to agree. I remember awhile ago reading an article about how David Bowie had a full mental breakdown which resulted in heavy drug taking BC he couldn't decipher where David Bowie began and where his infamous persona Ziggy stardust ended. Ziggy literally sucked the life out of him. Many fans including me tbh believe he had some sort of multiple personality disorder. I have a feeling that this maybe what is starting to happening to Lana. She seems to struggle with an extreme case of social anxiety disorder as well. If so she needs help and soon before things start spiraling out of control.

[LifeisBeautiful 152]

Sorry for TMI, my friends. Well, I felt wrong and sinful for being a lesbian and in denial until I became interested in Feminism and Gay rights. I am ok now but I regret believing in my family's hypocritical traditional values. Teens today have much more support to be themselves.

My mother was great tho... she had gay and dyke friends and went thru a lot of the stuff Lana sings about. Lana reminds me of her a bit (her crazy but free ways).

She was gone too soon.

I swear I am not that weird tho. LOL. Still believe in Ms. Right. I think it is too late coz the love of my life couldn't love me and lives with her girl now.

Aww, I feel you I just spent the last two years of my life in love with a "straight" girl who would sleep with me, cuddle with me at night, flirt with me, then denied it all when I finally confronted her. You are much younger than me so you still have time. I hope you will find another to love.

[Rebel 3,175]

No, it's not the Beatles era, though your attitudes about women and sex seem imported straight from it.

 

 

[LikeAnAmerican 34]

I could read her interviews all day lol. 

[FormerLanaFan 169]

Live your lifes as you see fit but most of you will have to start to have some experiences before you are giving others lessons about life or sex.

[FROGGO 2,803]

[BlueJeans 2,603]

I found that an interesting read.

[LiamViljoen 908]

@@FormerLanaFan I am sorry for bringing your daughter into this. That was unnecessary and I apologise. I would respond to some other comments in your reply that I disagree with but I don't have the energy and you already said you weren't going to reply again so it'd be stupid to assess your other statements in any detail. Goodbye Forever.

 

[LifeisBeautiful 152]

@@FormerLanaFan Its good you could get your opinions across, as everyone should be free to do so. Im glad you have strong beliefs about human sexuality. The problem isnt WHAT you believe, its your judgment of others who dont ascribe to the same beliefs. Sex, and what consenting adults do with their own bodies, should be of no concern to you unless the people in question are your partner, child etc. Especially in the case of Lana. You will never have any sort of close relationship with her so why concern yourself with how she has sex? If you feel disgusted with her behavior, fine. Dont support her anymore, but dont pass judgment.

[Nightmare Boy Online 234]

I can't believe that this thread turned out to be a thread about sex and whether having sex with a lot of lovers is bad or good lol

 

Lana gave a very interesting interview, which i personally enjoyed. Her last interviews where all pretty much the same questions so this was a good change.

 

I don't care about Lana's sex life. Everyone is free to do what they want who are we to judge Lana? What i din't like is what a read on the internet after i read the interview. I mean she had previously had so much critisize for the i wish i was dead thing she said, which obviusly from her reaction it was something that she didn't like. Why did she make a statement like this? I am not talking about stating that she has slept with many guys, she is not the first nor the last artist to admit it. But saying she slept with guys in the idustry but none of them helped her, which is annoying? She is destroying what she built after the snl. I have read terrible things about her on the internet over the past 2 days and i am sad and mad with those people. But Lana herself gave them the right to tell this things..

 

Personally i don't think she meant it, i think she was being sarcastic, explaining what her song meant. But the media seems to hate her she could avoid this. I just hope all this new hate won't bring her down.

[longtimeman 7,929]

Personally i don't think she meant it, i think she was being sarcastic, explaining what her song meant. But the media seems to hate her she could avoid this. I just hope all this new hate won't bring her down.

Yep, it's pretty funny how people are responding to her saying

 

I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry, but none of them helped me get my record deals. Which is annoying.

as though she's a bitter nobody, lamenting lost opportunities, and ignoring the fact that she's sold seven million copies of her first record, has just had a number one record with her second album, and is world famous. Or, to ruin her joke by explaining it, she's saying mockingly "imagine if some man I'd slept with had actually done me a favour because of it - I could really have become famous!"

[viagra 1,642]

Because some self-righteous “free-sex ideologist” here with little education and life experience schooled me about morality I feel obliged to respond. Even if you don’t know me I don’t want to leave this forum with a distorted image.

 

First I want to make clear some things about myself:

 

I’m not a racist. I respect the German people, many of my intellectual and artistic heroes are German. I knew that the person who insulted me was German and I used the term “German swinger” but I referred only to swingers as “the most despicable people in the world” not to the Germans. I’m sorry if I made someone feel bad because of my comments.

 

I’m not a religious person in the traditional sense, I respect any form of spirituality and I would define myself as an agnostic.

 

I wasn't raised up as a sexual conservative by my parents, I don’t believe in a very strict control of sexuality. I wasn't ashamed by others regarding my body as many of you stated here about your own experience but I “philosophized” a lot about sexuality especially in my early 20’s.

 

I think that between “promiscuity= a lot of casual sex with no emotions involved” and “marrying virgin” there are a lot of nuances that I’m perfectly ok with. I don’t have any problem with persons that have more sexual relationships (even outside of marriage) when sex is supported by social responsibility and carrying for your sexual partner. I don’t have any problem with the institution of divorce when a relationship is not sustainable anymore between the partners. I respect the right of people who are homosexuals or lesbians to live their sexuality without any stigmatization from society.

 

I criticized the promiscuous behavior based on non-religious motives, I didn't expressed them and many of you jumped to false conclusions about my position.

 

Regarding sexuality I have two principles that guide me in life:

 

1. The first principle was expressed by the German philosopher E. Kant that said that is an categorical moral imperative to “act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end”. This was a principle that I learned early in my life before I started my sex life (I was in high school and I had a very good philosophy teacher).

 

Somehow this principle was deeply rooted in me and those who accused me of objectification misunderstood deeply my position. I’m against prostitution which is, in my view, a form of slavery and objectification (the prostitute rents her/his body parts for other people’s gratification involving an economic transaction). The “consent” involved is highly questionable form social and political reasons. I always viewed promiscuity as the door step to this type of behavior (and for the social acceptance of it) the only part missing is the economic transaction and the objectification it’s both ways present.

 

When you have casual sex with no emotions involved you are treating (with consent) your partner as a mean to an end: your gratification. This violates the above mentioned moral principle and lowers your humanity by degrading others humanity.

I was in that situation in my life and I’m happy that I didn't sexually profited in situations where the girl was attracted towards me but, even if she was attractive, I wasn't really interested in her and certainly I didn't feel anything towards her. I “missed” some opportunities for casual sex but I maintained a principle in my life which I believe in strongly and which helped me maintain some moral behavior (and my family) in a very complicated world.

 

People who would act in those situations have no principles that make them think about the consequences: that they are hurting other people’s feelings and that they treat others and themselves as objects for sexual gratification.

The consent to objectify yourself is highly questionable for many reasons but I would not dwell on it because I already wrote too much. Is one thing fantasizing about sex and it’s another thing doing it with a real person. I always felt that for a woman to let a man inside her is a big thing emotionally and I always maintained a level of empathy towards women’s vulnerability in sexual situations. You could dwell on women owning their own sexuality and being aggressive about it but I have to say that I didn’t met this type of women in my life.

 

So promiscuity, from this perspective is morally inferior to serial monogamy, in my view, because monogamy assumes a more stable relation between the partners with an emotional attachment and social responsibility (and I don’t refer to the religious definition of monogamy here).

 

Regarding Lana’s position I was appalled by the carelessness of her statement by using the term “a lot” which alludes to promiscuity and by putting at the end that unnecessary “I was annoyed by the fact that I didn't received any benefits because of my sexual favors”. For those who accused me that I don’t understand the term “whore” I would say that the above mentioned interpretation of her words (which are reproduced widely in the media) are sufficient for the use of the term “self-admitted whore” that I used.

 

2. The second principle in that I believe in is that sex is one of the basic constituents of human behavior and is basically a form of aggression (and the main source of other forms of aggression in society) and hence cannot exist without any control in society. I never treated sexual behavior lightly because of this. I always was suspicious about people advocating free sex and in the same time claiming the obsoleteness of the traditional family. I questioned the morality of the view that sex is mostly a pastime, a source for “fun”.

 

I opposed to this the view that sexuality is, in the most basic form, an urge to reproduce, to procreate that generates social responsibility towards your offspring. I despise people who abandon their children, both for emotional and social reasons (they let the burden of their children’s social integration on the rest of the society).

 

From the emotional point of view I always thought that sex is a form of elevating your emotional relation with someone, sex being a good indicator towards the state of that relation.

I think that the position of “sex is for fun” goes hand in hand with “I don’t need to control my sexuality or others to do it for me” which is a profoundly egoistical point of view which inevitably collides with certain social needs.

 

The psychological equation is very simple, sex is repetitive, initially everything it’s great but by repetition you get accustomed to your partner’s body, to the whole situation and eventually you get bored. If sex is the only thing that holds that relationship together after 3-5 years that relationship will inevitably end (and there you have single mothers raising their children etc.).

 

After a longer promiscuous period you get bored even with changing your partners because the situations would inevitably repeat themselves (this situation is neutral ethically when you have some psychological disorder that stops you from controlling your sexuality). In this sense I made the insensitive remark that every pussy is basically just a “moist hole” and if I offended someone I apologize.

 

Sexual boredom leads inevitably to perversion because you have to elevate the trill and “fun” out of sex. Hence, the West is plagued by abnormal sexual behaviors like the swinger movement where you share your partner with others (I find it despicable because it’s the most hideous form of objectification where you aren’t confining yourself to silently consenting to objectification but you enjoy watching your partner’s objectification by others) or by the widespread problem of pedophilia.

 

Many of you argued that frequent casual sex is a form of freeing yourself sexually and gaining confidence in your sexuality. I think the opposite that promiscuity is a form of addiction that enslaves the person to the trill of having sex in inappropriate situations with strangers. I think that this is the direct result of the sexual socialization based on internet porn and accepting that this type of behavior is not inappropriate anymore (having public sex with many partners which porn suggests). @@evilentity you obviously had more sources in your sexual socialization and you were able to maintain a critical attitude towards the message spread through porn hence controlling your sexual behavior.

 

I don’t think that I represent an obsolete model versus a modern model that is more “evolved” regarding sexuality. I don’t believe in extreme moral relativism, some of you questioned my right to don’t associate myself with people who have certain lifestyles. I’m not that restrictive as a person but I have to admit that I find certain (sexual) behaviors unacceptable and I actively try to distance myself from it and to protect my community from it. I don’t believe in absolute morality and I don’t believe that my morality is the best or that would never change, but for practical reasons there is a minimal morality that maintains the social groups together and make society works which has to be enforced.

 

You cannot always imply that different behaviors are equal because in past they were treated in equal manner. For example, for me homosexual monogamy is fine but I don’t accept group sex between people as a usual and accepted sexual behavior.

 

Finally, I want to say that I have the right to defend my beliefs just as others expressed their beliefs so I didn’t understand the “you don’t dare to qualify others behavior morally inferior” statement. But I have to because morality is an axiological system where I order things which I consider good or bad and I make different nuanced scales with them. If I would consider other people’s evaluations better I would live my life according to their beliefs. The problem is regarding the tolerance towards differences. I have to say that regarding sexuality I would never tolerate in my community behaviors like swingers, pedophilia or overt prostitution.

 

I love my daughter and my wife and I would never endanger these relationships for the trill of some casual sex. I saw that some of you made totally inappropriate recommendations towards my daughter future sex life. I hope that my daughter will have a healthy sexual life but this certainly will not involve promiscuity or perversions and I will have my methods to limit her exposure to internet porn.

 

Live your lifes as you see fit but most of you will have to start to have some experiences before you are giving others lessons about life or sex.

 

Please take in account that I will not make further comments or respond to comments. I apologize to the mods for the lengthy post

You can believe in what you want. But stop trying to agressively put YOUR opinions above others. Just because you were schooled about one certain moral system it doesnt mean it affects to others and they have to keep it as well. Maybe you wouldnt sound like bitter judgemental Mr. Know It All. 

 

And just because someone practise sex without being in relationship it doesnt mean they are less educated or less life-experiences than you. Oh thats just another jour judgment.

[Miguel3Zero 202]

Lana likes to throw bombs at journalists. I think that she is witty, with a great sense of humor. Why writing long analyses of a sarcastic joke. She has not had more sexual partners than any average 29 years old (good looking) person. Admire your writing tho.

[LifeisBeautiful 152]

@ I have to agree.  The fact that she added "...which is annoying" is what makes you realize she cannot be serious and was having a laugh.  Her interviews are always divisive, she knows it, and she doesn't care!

[DeadAgainst 1,514]

When you have casual sex with no emotions involved you are treating (with consent) your partner as a mean to an end: your gratification. This violates the above mentioned moral principle and lowers your humanity by degrading others humanity.

I was in that situation in my life and I’m happy that I didn't sexually profited in situations where the girl was attracted towards me but, even if she was attractive, I wasn't really interested in her and certainly I didn't feel anything towards her. I “missed” some opportunities for casual sex but I maintained a principle in my life which I believe in strongly and which helped me maintain some moral behavior (and my family) in a very complicated world.

 

People who would act in those situations have no principles that make them think about the consequences: that they are hurting other people’s feelings and that they treat others and themselves as objects for sexual gratification.

The consent to objectify yourself is highly questionable for many reasons but I would not dwell on it because I already wrote too much. Is one thing fantasizing about sex and it’s another thing doing it with a real person. I always felt that for a woman to let a man inside her is a big thing emotionally and I always maintained a level of empathy towards women’s vulnerability in sexual situations. You could dwell on women owning their own sexuality and being aggressive about it but I have to say that I didn’t met this type of women in my life.

 

Fucking rolleyes http://amuchbetterway.com/what-is-eye-gazing/

 

 

Eye gazing is incredibly powerful and most people are so disconnected from their true spiritual side, that eye gazing can be a very weird and uncomfortable experience initially and many people are simply unable to do it. It takes practice and determination, a willing partner to overcome initial feelings of vulnerability, overwhelming emotions and even strange phenomenon such as morphing faces.

Why Practice Eye Gazing?

Eye gazing is an extremely intense experience that does not allow hiding or aversion because it is a direct soul connection. External issues disappear as well as physical boundaries between partners as the separateness dissolves and you melt into each others soul. There is a spiritual component to eye gazing as well because many believe a spirit or “god” to live within us, so this is an opportunity for us to see the embodiment of the divine.

In the context of lovemaking, eye gazing should be mandatory. Without eye contact, lovemaking is merely sex, devoid of love or a spiritual connection and it adds that certain element that creates love, bonding and intimacy and allows both parties to feel fulfilled.

 

Speaking of "Objectification," people seem to never do anything but project their own hangups onto her. John's monologue in the first section of Tropico expresses her thoughts well enough.

[BlueJeans 2,603]

What John monologue ? The one where he tells them to be good cowboys? What's the link ? I thought it was a loose interpretation of God's rules on the Garden of Eden...

[DeadAgainst 1,514]

What John monologue ? The one where he tells them to be good cowboys? What's the link ? I thought it was a loose interpretation of God's rules on the Garden of Eden...

 

http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/3823-tropico-analysis/page-7&do=findComment&comment=152372

 

"No shame ..."

[BlueJeans 2,603]

Thanks, that was interesting ...

 

http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/3823-tropico-analysis/page-7&do=findComment&comment=152372

 

"No shame ..."

 

Thanks, that was interesting ..