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#5101 OFFLINE   cognaclilac

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:13 PM

A requirement? lol People rn, me included, just think it could’ve been handled in a better way. Like even before she released it, it was messy. And personally, I get why people had a problem with that lyric. It’s a long tiring explanation that I don’t want to get into, bc it’ll get twisted on here. And I think most of the people saying she’s racist were on Twitter. Not here. We get she was referring to depression, people were just saying she could’ve worded it better.

 

the requirement bit referred to her making a song about poc specifically, like it's not necessary for her to do that

yeah i get it too but basic facts should be enough to know she didnt mean it in a harmful way like a) has she ever been racist before? not to my knowledge b) this song is older than any of the two social media 'fights' she had last year both of which are the only ones people are comparing the lyric to and c) it's color theory, she uses it a lot

there's like 34 pages in the nfr thread of people saying she said something racist, just cause we pussyfoot on here and twitter doesn't doesn't mean we aren't all saying the same shit

she's writing a song so it has to sound poetic, and again if you mean the explanation should be worded better what do you want? a long statement of her basically saying how annoying it is to be misinterpreted in a dark way but how would she say that without sounding annoyed? jfc she explained herself and the lyric it's not that deep


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:19 PM

the requirement bit referred to her making a song about poc specifically, like it's not necessary for her to do that
yeah i get it too but basic facts should be enough to know she didnt mean it in a harmful way like a) has she ever been racist before? not to my knowledge b) this song is older than any of the two social media 'fights' she had last year both of which are the only ones people are comparing the lyric to and c) it's color theory, she uses it a lot
there's like 34 pages in the nfr thread of people saying she said something racist, just cause we pussyfoot on here and twitter doesn't doesn't mean we aren't all saying the same shit
she's writing a song so it has to sound poetic, and again if you mean the explanation should be worded better what do you want? a long statement of her basically saying how annoying it is to be misinterpreted in a dark way but how would she say that without sounding annoyed? jfc she explained herself and the lyric it's not that deep



If you read my last post, I said what she could’ve done since the beginning. It doesn’t require a long statement.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:33 PM

“I don’t have any songs about race of any kind.” 

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:33 PM

 

 

This comes uncomfortably close to sounding like "I don't know enough POC to have any songs about them."

 

 

Not at all? She obviously means that these songs are so personal that writing about someone into it who isn't instrumental in her life wouldn't even cross her mind. We know that Lana has worked with and is friendly with many POC artists.

 

Yes the wording on these comments and the lyric itself could have been better, but they're still not even THAT bad. When the lyrics is taken out of context yes it sounds weird but it still doesnt even make sense for it to be racially motivated. But thats a conversation for the lyrics thread.

 

Lana isn't perfect and social media gives you the opportunity to comment instantly and without approval from someone else. But we KNOW what she means.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:12 PM

I can’t at some of y’all acting like “privilege” is real
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:13 AM

If you read my last post, I said what she could’ve done since the beginning. It doesn’t require a long statement.

 

yeah well since that's what she did i'm unsure why you even wrote that in the first place

like you're unhappy she used the phrase, unhappy she didn't think to bring it up before the release/immediately after and you're unhappy with her small explanation which is exactly what you said to do in the first post so like what do you actually want

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:31 AM

yeah well since that's what she did i'm unsure why you even wrote that in the first place
like you're unhappy she used the phrase, unhappy she didn't think to bring it up before the release/immediately after and you're unhappy with her small explanation which is exactly what you said to do in the first post so like what do you actually want
is she racist or ignorant, pick your player

All I said was it could’ve been handled differently, like simply saying “I changed the name from Sylvia to HIADT and it’s coming out on the 9th. It’s a very personal song which I wrote back in __________. Also, sorry for the future shows I’m canceling which are ________. Hope you all understand. xx” and that’s it. And not delete the post after. Literally not that difficult. Like you said, it isn’t that deep. “is she racist or ignorant, pick your player”..... didn’t I say I wasn’t saying she was racist. lmao

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:53 AM

Move on guys :smokes2:


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:06 AM

All I said was it could’ve been handled differently, like simply saying “I changed the name from Sylvia to HIADT and it’s coming out on the 9th. It’s a very personal song which I wrote back in __________. Also, sorry for the future shows I’m canceling which are ________. Hope you all understand. xx” and that’s it. And not delete the post after. Literally not that difficult. Like you said, it isn’t that deep. “is she racist or ignorant, pick your player”..... didn’t I say I wasn’t saying she was racist. lmao

 

so you're mad that she wasn't specific because she literally did all that

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i think lana expects us to have more than 3 braincells to notice that the lyrics are the same as the sylvia post and presume that the title changed and to wait like she said to to hear about the cancellations


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:11 AM

Move on guys :smokes2:


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:17 AM

Move on guys :smokes2:

 

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:49 AM

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:49 AM

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:51 AM

“Norman Fucking Rockwell”

 

Omg i can feel the longing and pain in her voice oh my fucking god


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:58 AM

That song is beautiful! 


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:18 PM

that floral bundle she's burning... she's being witchy again :brows:
also, what kind of book is that? can anybody read the title?


Can someone link me to this post/these posts? I haven't seen it. Please.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:31 PM

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:02 PM

Maybe that's a problem?
 
Also, really? It's not central, but it's not like her catalog is absent of lyrics suggestive of race or ethnicity. And you could write a whole dissertation or longform thinkpiece on race in her music video catalog. (Has anyone? I'd be fascinated to read one.)

 

This comes uncomfortably close to sounding like "I don't know enough POC to have any songs about them."

 

Again, that's the problem.
 
Also, LOL at trying to have it both ways, decreeing Kanye West's MAGA-hat-wearing ways "a loss for the culture" (I don't disagree) while simultaneously trying to distance herself from "the culture" and sidestep cultural critiques when it suits her.

 

Speaking of her tweets about Kanye, I'm reminded she specifically mentioned his "narcissism". Lana, whether it's about Kanye or Azealia or not, OF COURSE people are going to think a line like "black narcissist" might be a reference to them after you publicly feuded with them using similar language. Even if wrong, it's a reasonable inference. Poor form to chastise your fans and others for making it. C'mon, Lana, if Azealia dropped a track using a label she'd called you on Twitter and even threw "white" in front of it you know you'd think it was about you.
 

 

Lana, use a publicist for any statements on sensitive subjects.

 

If we're being critical about the response, the fact that it's to a fan and not given on her general social media outlets (or is it?), is an interesting feature, imo. It says to me that the issue is a no-brainer (in her mind, i.e., not worth clarifying, or even bringing to the attention of the GP, because it's obvious). I mean if fans don't give her the benefit of the doubt, when there's an obvious counter-interpretation, who will? So being peeved is warranted, imo.
 
I agree that there's quite a lot of ethnicity and culture borrowed in her video work, and maybe even in song. Her saying she has "nothing to do with the majority of culture" is just a (poor) way of saying she is selective about her use of culture, imo.
 
Also saying "deeply personal and introspective having nothing to do with anyone outside of my immediate circle of people i know personally." sort of suggests there *might* be other people outside herself that the song could be about. Marina? 
 
She's definitely o.k. with POC no matter how she actually comes off in her (personal?) response (i.e., Asap Rocky, and the Weeknd say hello). 
 

A requirement? lol People rn, me included, just think it could’ve been handled in a better way. Like even before she released it, it was messy. And personally, I get why people had a problem with that lyric. It’s a long tiring explanation that I don’t want to get into, bc it’ll get twisted on here. And I think most of the people saying she’s racist were on Twitter. Not here. We get she was referring to depression, people were just saying she could’ve worded it better.

American is the first song that came in my head when Lana said she didn’t have a song about race of any kind lol

"American" is not a race though, and another allowable interpretation (of "skin so golden brown") is that she's talking about the continent, not specifically the U.S. For example, I hear (in Last Girl on Earth) she has a roller coaster named after her in Mexico, which she happens to own, btw; Mexico, that is, not just the roller coaster in it. 


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:16 PM

Can someone link me to this post/these posts? I haven't seen it. Please.

here you go:

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:26 PM

here you go:

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