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Watch her be 'herself' on a stage during a prom singing a song while some high school kids get murdered in a locker room. Prom song gone wrong.
 
She better perform Boom Clap!

No ❤️
You know what? I'll keep doing this as long as I can even if there's some ungrateful people like you

I think some of you could let up a tad-shes human and flawed-the hotel thing was tone deaf if she did visit it after her song whilst publishing it but she seems relatively nice overall
 

i fear you’re making it much deeper than it needs to be … 
 it’s just a nice contrast so people who aren’t familiar with her actually know which one she is, the artist should be able to stand out amongst the background dancers 

Nothing weird about it, they had been a couple for a few years already, after many years love just doesn't feel like in typical pop songs, apart from the fact they had a dysfunctional relationship and probably Marina forced herself to write it. Its substantial lyrical structure revolve mostly around anxiety; "You never judge me for any of my fears / I love the way we worked so hard Yeah, we've come so far Baby, look at me, you're my superstar When I'm afraid, when the world's gone dark Come and save my day, you're my superstar".

The way my vegan ass retweeted 

Honestly bad move for her career to change her name, but if she really wanted to change it she should've gone with Marina Diamandis, not just MARINA. like girl-

I agree with most of you said in this thread but this definitely not. Her manager Derek MacKillop did not allow her to make Die Life because she wanted it to be exclusively under Marina brand and Electra Heart to be her seperate identity, which I think would be absolutely glorious because she would simultaneously not offend her previous TFJ fans (who were also disgusted by EH sound, really, British press especially) and still hit the charts. She had hits in EH era not because she was already known thanks to TFJ but because they had great pop potential and big producers. Also her anonymity would sparkle even more interest I suppose. Unfortunately no label would make such a risk and fund two albums at the same time and spend money on a big pop campaign with Dr. Luke production and Madonna/Katy Perry ambitions for Marina's experiment, technically a brand new artist.

i do like handmade heaven, but from what i've observed many people were already bitter about her stage name change, collaboration with clean bandit was rather questionable to say the least, and then handmade heaven was definitely not catchy enough to keep them interested. then superstar (overhated) and orange trees happened, when the album was announced the artwork was so bland it still hurts, later she claimed L+F to be her best album so people grew very big expectations and were disappointed heavily. stop pretending that any please don't call me or holiday would've changed that because we all know it wouldn't, later on she was sooo depressed by the fandom reception that she had nightmares about planes crashing, and, to be honest, listening to this record feels quite uncomfortable after that. and marina is to blame here as well because aside from the music she clearly had no vision for this era. she just doesn't spend that much time on her work as she used to it seems.

Marina is one of these people where she will say something smart and then something utterly Ignorant on a matter without even basic research.  

No comment- In before she goes to a zoo 

I didn’t say it was a slur, I’m from the UK I know it’s not a slur, I called it a code word, because people say stuff like ‘oh he’s y’know a bit… camp’ when they mean an effeminate gay man, maybe it’s regional. I didn’t know that mostly gay clientele went there so thank you for the context /gen
 
she went to the hotel after the song was dropped that’s why I mentioned it. 

no...she's being ironic and asking why someone who hates gay people would want to buy a hotel where his main clientele are gay people. it's got nothing to do with the color pink. camp is also not a slur at all in the uk
 
maybe she didn't learn about the owner until after she went?
 
 

no song added would've saved this album, trust me. it was hated by fans nearly from the very beginning

i mean.... we dont really know what happened so i think only assuming that marina was the one to drop lana after QFTC is a little out of touch and should really only be taken as speculative than as factual... though i wont say its a reach because i also wouldnt be surprised if that was the case..
but for example lana also has had multiple relationships where she was good friends with someone and then they disappear from her life (or at least what we see), such as with jaime king or johnny blueeyes
 
 
though i do agree marinas feminism is certainly something LMFAO.....and by something i mean post - FROOT a good chunk of it started lacking depth and more like she was spewing out whatever modern day issues she saw on the news was with some bits about being self made millionaire different kinda woman in hollywood ft. stuff she learned during her psychology classes that she took during her break from music
* where as with her earlier works, her more feminism esque songs felt like something she was genuinely connected/related to than just trying to get across some sort of woke message

We almost got another “I thought this song was big in Germany” moment during Vroom Vroom 

festival crowds when the bleep bloops of track 10 start: 

boys is such a cute song im glad its staying in the setlist, she sounds like she hated singing it in the studio version but she has so much fun performing it

its giving cool gay men with their one heterosexual female friend!!!

i'm pretty sure we did know they were voice memos before they leaked, i believe honeymouns clarified that madly was the only studio-produced track out of the few titles he shared that day
 
honestly, i think we should just be a little more grateful for what we get... especially since we had so many other leaks which were studio-produced, i know not everybody cares about laptop demos, but i don't think they should be hoarded, some people really do like them

I think it's time to talk about the iconic trio of UV outtakes - Yes to Heaven, Fine China & Your Girl. It's a twisted web and I'm not really good with phrasing and explaining such things so it might be difficult for you to understand everything (especially if you have no technical background on how songs are being produced), but I'll try to walk you through it all step by step and if something remains unclear I will try to explain it further!
 
These 3 songs were originally written and produced alongside Rick Nowels and his engineers back in late 2013. We first found out about their existence in 2016 when Eclipse obtained the demos and revealed the titles/snippets. They later happened to spread and leak becoming mysterious fan favorites and sadly as beloved and iconic in the community they are, all 3 are fake...
well, technically.
 
To understand why they are fake I need to give you a full breakdown of what happened.
It must have started with Eclipse getting his hands on an invoice from Patrick Warren who was responsible for recording and engineering Keys/Strings on some of the songs at that time. That listing apart from tracks that were released included Say Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl which have been fully unknown to the public. He contacts Patrick and using that info tries to get the demos from him, I assume under the suggestion that Lana is considering re-using the songs and tries to get the tracks/parts back. The thing is, Patrick is just someone who records his small part for the mix, he isn't actively working on the song as a producer so he doesn't really have access to all the material. Still though, he had some loose stems/sessions parts I assume, without properly bounced mix, he challenged himself to create mixes of all 3 that would be serviceable for that moment.
 
If you check the original files of all 3 leaked tracks, you'll find in the metadata that those demos were exported in Logic 10.2.2. That version of Logic Pro was released on March 8th, 2016 so any mix could not be older than that and of course the original ones were made in 2013. Not to mention the fact that Rick and his engineers work with Pro Tools, not Logic, unlike Patrick. But this goes even further. Patrick's available stems of the tracks were seemingly so incomplete he decided to create new production and structure for the songs making complete new versions that were unlike what Lana and Rick originally curated. He sent those back to Eclipse alongside the very incomplete stems.
 
This mess doesn't end here. You see Patrick Warren's job is to deliver the stems containing the new parts he was issued to arrange and engineer. Since he is often doing it independently of the rest, he adds a little bit of the song's intro at the beginning of every stem file he bounces so that when Rick receives it he knows how to place it in the mix alongside his parts. It's usually like 20/30 seconds and you can see what I'm talking about, because Eclipse shared some stems snippets from the files he received:
https://onlyfiles.io/f/e0236e30cb224f9e8618fe09ab0b9bc3
https://onlyfiles.io/f/ce703d3a5a204566bd31278eb667e6f7
Thank you @TheBoss for providing these to me
 
The first seconds here are the intros of real Rick reference demos, the latter parts however are already stems/mixes of what Patrick attempted to make in 2016. If you want some more closure, there is something @Say Yes to Heaven mentioned already - Eclipse must have received another pack of the same fashion later in 2016 of upcoming LFL track, Something Real (aka 13 Beaches). If you remember those times well, his exact teaser said "You took the.. #SR". This was most probably, because the singular stems he received as Something Real ALSO contained a few seconds of actual song at the beginning that happened to cut right after Lana saying "You took t..". In the full official credits you can see that Patrick is credited on 13 Beaches for "Waterphone", "Harmonium" and "Synthesizer".
 
Now circling back, while Fine China and Your Girl only had one mix leaked, Yes to Heaven also had this:
 
And this one is also fake, but it's technically closer to being a real thing than the Patrick mix. I don't know if this one was made by Eclipse or someone who got the stems from him, but this must have been made with filtered acapella of the Patrick Warren version, mixed with additional stems he provided and then layered with the looped guitar/drum pattern from the intro that I mentioned previously. But that guitar loop was literally a fundament of very first version of Yes to Heaven (unlike the Patrick mix that begins with strings) so you can imagine how it sounded based on this.
 
The first real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is the one leaked by Music Mafia which is a James Ford demo from late March/early April 2014. At that stage UV was shaping as an album, Rob Orton started properly mixing it and Lana decided to take last attempts to find the right production for the song by asking James Ford to give it a try. Sadly it also got discarded and at that point they just let go of the song (at least for that era).
 
The second real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is from latter part of 2014, 3:31 in length with leading production by STINT. Keep in mind though that while I refer to those versions as James Ford produced / STINT produced demos, they are all based on Rick's demos they got presented to work with. I think it's just easier to name them as such for clear sorting purposes. Even though the song was being worked on in both 2014 and 2015 they still failed to include it on HM as well.
 
It's fortunate for you that those happened to leak, cause Patrick's SYTH was the most different to the real demos from UV. Fine China is also pretty different, while Your Girl early demos (not the final though) are fairly similar to Patrick's mix. I mentioned earlier that both Fine China and Your Girl got mixed by Rob Orton alongside UV so they've been scrapped from the release on very last minute and unlike Yes to Heaven - ditched for good right after.
 
The weirdest thing in all this is that those quick Patrick Warren mixes are great... even though the mixing is clearly rushed and poor. The harmonica break in Yes to Heaven, the organs in Your Girl chorus, that stuff was never meant to be there, but hell it works. This sadly also means that if Patrick only sent those 160kbps mp3 files, the better ones don't exist.
 
That is all for now, unless @111 would like to now come forward and add something that I missed/got wrong. I also do not really believe that you didn't know the truth about all of this back then so I don't understand why you never revealed that the mixes aren't real. I think die hard fans deserve that kind of closure about some of the most iconic unreleased songs.
 
This took me years to figure out with massive help of someone who is also present on this very forum and I have mad respect for, thank you again!

it's unfair... rest in peace queen

it's unfair... rest in peace queen

marina didnt lie... you have to be literally mentally ill to be okay with not only assaulting innocent people (whether it is to "protect" the government, or just because you're a white supremacist), but also cosigning your buddies who rape women, beat their wives, and get up every day hoping they get to have a power trip and shoot someone. no sane person would ever choose this profession. sociopathy and lack of empathy are mental illnesses and every cop have them. it's not like she's trying to insult people with mental illnesses, but this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. 
 
ACAB.

We’re not about to ask for LIZ links in the Charli thread..... y’all