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Well agree to disagree. On Ultraviolence I really enjoyed the "raw" sound, I felt like it was a reflection of the raw content of the lyrcis in there, and the instrumentals actually sounded beautiful, intricate, intense yet balanced. But on NFR I just don't think that the white noise, very compressed/flat type of sound, and obvious poor mastering on most on most tracks gave the album "charm". It's very subjective I suppose.

Agree, but also I read that thinkpiece in its entirety and Ann definitely tried to pass it off as an album critique, but it was more or less of the same redundant bullshit that people have been saying about Lana for years now, but at the end it was like "Oh and btw critics are finally softening up to you and gave you good reviews for your last album, bye". 
 
Lana pretending she doesn't have a "persona" is annoying, because I venture to say that every songwriter ever, in a way, have one. But at the same time, I feel like Lana's reaction was valid, simply because she has been at the receiving end of so much hatred and animosity from these critics since she first hit the stage as "Lana Del Rey", so for some people to still question her authenticity and call her whole gig "uncooked", her being angry, although it might've sound a bit petulant, it was valid.

Not being picky though, it's literally the first thing I hear on the very first track of the album, how "flat" the vocal track sounds like, and also how the entire instrumentation of the title track sounds tinny, like it has this sorta cheap metallic sound (?) like at some point it legit sounds like loose change in a pocket. Still love the song, but much like the vast majority of this record I'm honestly perplexed about what happened, or didn't happened, when they produced/mastered this record.
 
The so called flaws are obvious.
 

I find Beyonce hugely overrated.... NFR deserves to win over a live album for sure. 

Lana was being over-sensitive with her unprofessional reaction and saying she never used a persona is obviously a lie.

Not being picky though, it's literally the first thing I hear on the very first track of the album, how "flat" the vocal track sounds like, and also how the entire instrumentation of the title track sounds tinny, like it has this sorta cheap metallic sound (?) like at some point it legit sounds like loose change in a pocket. Still love the song, but much like the vast majority of this record I'm honestly perplexed about what happened, or didn't happened, when they produced/mastered this record.
 
The so called flaws are obvious.
 

Ehhh Agree that it was probably the intention on this album, to have a more simplistic, less atmospheric type of sound, but it fell flat a bit to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having a so called "overproduced" sound, and the the album sounding downright cheap. Honeymoon is far from overproduced, it's lush and etheral. On the other hand, NFR sounds pretty rough and uncooked, to me it feels like I'm listening to a bunch of demos.
 
I also agree about Doin' Time, I actually like the song, but it feels completely out of place on NFR.

Bless her heart, but it's what drives me crazy about her. Hopefully she doesn't over do it with the snippets like she did with NFR. 

Honeymoon has legit the best production of all her albums. I don't hear any of the followings on Honeymoon: white noises, tinny/metallic/cheap piano notes, unequal voice recording AND mastering on any of its song, as well as flat and dry instrumentation. Which are all basically the very definition of the production of NFR. Honeymoon is literally her most spotless album production wise, near studio perfect sound. 
 

Ehhh Agree that it was probably the intention on this album, to have a more simplistic, less atmospheric type of sound, but it fell flat a bit to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having a so called "overproduced" sound, and the the album sounding downright cheap. Honeymoon is far from overproduced, it's lush and etheral. On the other hand, NFR sounds pretty rough and uncooked, to me it feels like I'm listening to a bunch of demos.
 
I also agree about Doin' Time, I actually like the song, but it feels completely out of place on NFR.

did not know that Jack worked on both Honeymoon and Ultraviolence?

Ehhh Agree that it was probably the intention on this album, to have a more simplistic, less atmospheric type of sound, but it fell flat a bit to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having a so called "overproduced" sound, and the the album sounding downright cheap. Honeymoon is far from overproduced, it's lush and etheral. On the other hand, NFR sounds pretty rough and uncooked, to me it feels like I'm listening to a bunch of demos.
 
I also agree about Doin' Time, I actually like the song, but it feels completely out of place on NFR.

Ehhh Agree that it was probably the intention on this album, to have a more simplistic, less atmospheric type of sound, but it fell flat a bit to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having a so called "overproduced" sound, and the the album sounding downright cheap. Honeymoon is far from overproduced, it's lush and etheral. On the other hand, NFR sounds pretty rough and uncooked, to me it feels like I'm listening to a bunch of demos.
 
I also agree about Doin' Time, I actually like the song, but it feels completely out of place on NFR.

Honeymoon has legit the best production of all her albums. I don't hear any of the followings on Honeymoon: white noises, tinny/metallic/cheap piano notes, unequal voice recording AND mastering on any of its song, as well as flat and dry instrumentation. Which are all basically the very definition of the production of NFR. Honeymoon is literally her most spotless album production wise, near studio perfect sound. 
 

Ehhh Agree that it was probably the intention on this album, to have a more simplistic, less atmospheric type of sound, but it fell flat a bit to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having a so called "overproduced" sound, and the the album sounding downright cheap. Honeymoon is far from overproduced, it's lush and etheral. On the other hand, NFR sounds pretty rough and uncooked, to me it feels like I'm listening to a bunch of demos.
 
I also agree about Doin' Time, I actually like the song, but it feels completely out of place on NFR.

I really like the name for WHF. It reminds me of her unreleased stuff and the fact we have a song title already from it, or probably 2.
 
•White Hot Forever
•Let Me Love You Like A Woman

idk if this an unpopular opinion or not, but i do not like the title "White Hot Forever"

Don't agree with everything you both said, but this I agree with.
 
But I just feel like Honeymoon, as a whole, feels more complete and much more polished than NFR.

a lot of HIAB's backing vocals are a good example, i think there's others but i  literally do not remember what NFR sounds like

Honeymoon has legit the best production of all her albums. I don't hear any of the followings on Honeymoon: white noises, tinny/metallic/cheap piano notes, unequal voice recording AND mastering on any of its song, as well as flat and dry instrumentation. Which are all basically the very definition of the production of NFR. Honeymoon is literally her most spotless album production wise, near studio perfect sound. 
 

They try so hard to make it something it's not, it's hilarious tbh 

Don't agree with everything you both said, but this I agree with.
 
But I just feel like Honeymoon, as a whole, feels more complete and much more polished than NFR.

Don't agree with everything you both said, but this I agree with.
 
But I just feel like Honeymoon, as a whole, feels more complete and much more polished than NFR.

Honeymoon has legit the best production of all her albums. I don't hear any of the followings on Honeymoon: white noises, tinny/metallic/cheap piano notes, unequal voice recording AND mastering on any of its song, as well as flat and dry instrumentation. Which are all basically the very definition of the production of NFR. Honeymoon is literally her most spotless album production wise, near studio perfect sound. 
 

Don't agree with everything you both said, but this I agree with.
 
But I just feel like Honeymoon, as a whole, feels more complete and much more polished than NFR.