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Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

Oedipus complex
Electra complex
Marina's apt complex

This an emotive topic for a lot of people, so please be considerate of how other people may be impacted by this. I don't stan him or his music but honestly any death by drug overdose gets me feeling real sad and thinking about my family. Be kind to each other, please.

I think this situation is a great opportunity for us to learn more about the conflict between Israel and Palestine. But don’t just look at a couple sources and be done. Really absorb all you can from everywhere before forming a true opinion. Israelis and Palestinians have a complex history, and innocent people are dying. However, do take in account your opinion about other countries, like the US, who have killed several innocent people, and what about that situation makes it different. I’ve been educating myself more since this concert was scheduled, and I’m still looking into it. It really isn’t a simple issue.

you know what....... 
 
you see
im about to spill the tea on this matter
 
are you ready bc you better be ready huh
here we go
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.
dog 
.. aka..
 
anyway i know that it's a very touchy subject but it's not right to offend anyone here, we all stand for the good cause of a peaceful world - i hope

I'm sure you've suffered so much in your life, and now you don't get to see Lana, how tragic. 
Well please think about the palestinian children that didn't get to experience high school, just trying to survive your horrifying massacre.

i hope this ends well

I have not used those words. I think disproportionate violence to perpetuate an apartheid-like state is enough on which to make the case for BDS without getting into whether those other terms apply. I just wanted to make that point. 

I don't think people really appreciate the frankly adversarial nature, when not distant, of the relationship Lana's management has historically had to the forum. Both the past and current administrator have had interactions with management, and I suspect Elle's relationship with them is warmer than Tiarnan's was, but I'm not aware of any moderators interacting with them. I have never had any contact with them anyway. If Ben is aware of me he probably hates me. I've frequently been critical of him. The truth is her management is extremely aggressive and has often made threats against the forum over ridiculous things. Behind the scenes I have consistently advocated against self-censorship or kowtowing to threats without a solid legal basis. 

@ me next time 
Where do you get off presuming to judge the sincerity of people's motives without basis? Especially people you know fuck-all about.
 
FYI I've been very pro-Palestinian since I read Chomsky in 2005 if not before that. I legit confronted my congressman at a town hall years ago for having too pro-Israel a stance on his website. Believe it or not, I first learned that Lana was playing this show not from LanaBoards or any other Lana-related site, but from my mostly political completely non-Lana Twitter account under my real name because Glenn Greenwald retweeted a PACBI tweet about it into my feed. I'm not going to, but I could show you conversations I've had with other Lana fans evincing my pro-Palestinian views going back 6 years. I don't recall there previously being an occasion that demanded discussion of Israel/Palestine specifically, but my stance is quite obviously consistent with my record of policing Islamophobic comments. As far as my "sudden jurisdiction against her", anybody who knows a thing about me knows I've never been shy about criticizing Lana and it's not the first time I've criticized her politics or lack thereof. So it's not like I'm some posturing bandwagoner here or whatever you're trying to insinuate. I have genuine long-running convictions about this issue and her playing this festival genuinely bothers me.
 
I find it bizarre (and depressing) that a number of people in this thread seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that someone might empathize with other people they have no "specific attachment to" aside from their shared humanity. Or if they did that they wouldn't if they didn't.
 

Well said. 

I do not accept it. I don't know if protesting will move her, but I feel compelled to try. 

That's good historical background. I'd also recommend this section of this entry for more recent context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Israel#Human_rights_in_the_occupied_territories

i thought emile roasted you in his brick oven last thanksgiving, good to have u back

This is hilarious in ways I can't explain. 
But while I'm here, as an incarcerated bird I express my solidarity with living beings in cages of all kinds, be they separated children in ICE detention facilities, Palestinians behind the West Bank barrier or the blockade of the Gaza Strip by land, sea, and air(!), or a loon in Emile Haynie's basement goddamnit someone let me out!

It doesn't let me quote so @belissimamorte
 
Who said you had no right to share opinions...? Who said you have to have a direct connection to any particular issue in order to have an interest in it? Why do you think site moderators have some nuanced connection to Lana's management? Everybody has a stake in this conflict because it is an egregious violation of international law and human rights.

I appreciate your mature and informative response and I understand it is deemed irresponsible. I think what was irresponsible of her to do was her three paragraph tweets that were vague and made her appear less intelligent then she actually is. She should make a new response that is cohesive and specific to why she wants to play there. My statement then does not apply to you.

Idk about anyone else, but I'm a highly political person IRL and I'm a member of political groups IRL.
 
I supported a similar protest when an orchestra was planning to play in Israel and for the IDF (which they then cancelled due to the protest).
 
Lana is an artist with a platform, much bigger than that orchestra, and none of those artists performing at that festival should be. Not while Israel is killing Palestinians.
 
She's not propaganda, but she is being deeply irresponsible.
 
The Ottomans were an imperial force occupying Palestine. Palestine should go back to its indigenous holders, the Palestinian people. The overwhelming majority of Israelis aren't indigenous to that land.

I'm done with reading or saying anything in that matter since many people stay oblivious anyway, but there's one more thing I wanna know: she said she's looking forward to playing music for everyone i.e. both Israeli and Palestinian children, can I ask exactly how you guys think she's gonna do that? Is she gonna play an ukelele song in a field hospital or what exactly is she referring to?

This take... do some of you just lack critical thinking skills

I wrote a long response to Lana's first shitty explanation on Twitter a couple days ago which I'll post when I get around to screenshotting it, but for now I'll content myself with responding to some of the many bad takes here:
 

Yeah, call me when Palestinians in the occupied territories can vote for representation in the Knesset.  

Member of oppressor class in apartheid state asks that we "just put politics away" (i.e. turn a blind eye to the denial of basic human rights to others by that oppressor class) for just one second so they or other members of that oppressor class can attend a fucking pop concert.  

It's not about it being "war torn" or "dangerous". It's about occupation, the systemic oppression of Palestinians under an apartheid system, and the disproportionate use of force employed against resistance to that. 
I have zero respect for anyone who prioritizes their fandom for an artist over supporting human rights.
 
I sympathize with Israeli fans who want to see Lana. I really do. But this is bigger than you or your desire to see one of your favorite artists.
 

When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora.  

JFC. Aside from being insanely hypocritical and moving the goalpoasts, this is fucking vile.  

This might be an argument against performing in Turkey and/or Russia. It's not a good argument for performing in Israel. It's also an argument against nuance and the ability to make distinctions between somewhat repressive regimes and apartheid states.  

It's one thing to argue why it doesn't personally bother you. It's another thing to dismiss the concerns of others, some of whom are directly affected.  

I mean, if artists want to boycott the US for these reasons as a political statement more power to them. But the apartheid nature of the state of Israel uniquely warrants it. There is historical precedent for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions having an impact. And the people being oppressed are calling for it.  

Israelis are responsible for what their government does in their name and boycotts, divestment, and sanctions can be an effective way to put pressure on a populace to demand change from their leaders. But give me a break. Not being able to go to a Lana show is like the mildest form of collateral damage you can imagine.

murder
evil
torture
eviction
opression
rampage
 
children of the bloody revolution deserved ultraviolence cos they are born to die

You know what I’m curious about?
The rest of the band’s perspective on going. This includes everyone. Band members Byron, Blake, Tom, and Kevin, Dancers Ashley & Alex, all the sound engineers, Carl her bodyguard... I wonder how they feel about it. None of them have really said much yet. I’m curious to know if Lana does actually go through with this if any of them won’t show. Maybe they’ve even been talking to Lana about it since she’s kind of been silent for the past 24 hours.

I do help palestine, asshole. And my family is from there

Hey so I wanted to discuss graphic design with yall without it necessarily relating to Lana All members are welcome here!
 
In case you don't know I'm currently in my 2nd year on 4 of studying graphic design which is the only thing I love more than Lana and my ultimate dream is to be a graphic designer. My name is Anne-Dauphine but my graphic designer name is Daytona Mess, which you probably recognize the origin of.
 
In this thread we could discuss various typographers that we love, typography in general, help requests regarding fonts (I fucking love this shit never hesitate to ask me), share links, share our Behance and our projects, ask for critics (don't be shy), discuss UI/UX, talk about trends, tutorials, resources, tips, and more! It's basically a bigger Lana resources thread but not limited at all to Lana. If you need help regarding something graphic design related do ask the community!
 
Don't hesitate to promote your work but always be respectful of others 
 
I'll start by sharing a few things I've done recently, now that my style is changing And by recommending the work of a designer, of which I had the pleasure to discuss the work of with the great @Coyote: Fabian Fohrer, a cute typographer and graphic designer from Germany, who co-founded Tightype and who makes minimalist and incredible posters and fonts.
 
Here's one work I love amongst MANYFOLD:
 
 
 
And here's a few of my latest works! A few fictional magazines covers. You can find the whole project on my Behance. I'd be glad to have constructive criticism on it and I'd be delighted if you could check out the project  I also remade the AKA cover I did in 2015!
 
 
 

I know it's been quiet in here for a LONG time.
But new music is very much on the way.
Bigger and better than ever. 

Here's the new single! Check it out and PLEASE let me know what you think: http://smarturl.it/v4ek5k