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the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

girl go back to ranking charli’s albums since clearly those are the only kinds of discussions you’re interested in having 
 
anyways… speed drive!!! in my city!!! YAWS!!!

some of y’all missed the point. obviously, if the shoe doesn’t fit, then then it doesn’t fit, but the point is not to brush off the very real homophobic, transphobic, and fatphobic backlash that sam has been receiving over just existing as a public person, (which goes hand in hand with the ongoing conservative gay and trans panic) and to recognize that some of that vitriol also comes from a lot of other queers, which is unfortunate.
 
no one on this thread has said that you can’t criticize their artistry because of they’re part of a “minority” or whatever, so I don’t understand where all of that came from.

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

her tits + carrying the whole music industry i know her back is hurting 

I'll draw the map: nobody came in here and went "Ew, this fat queer person is gonna be on here. Can they not?"

It was, to paraphrase, "I don't vibe with their content. I don't care for their music. Their general aesthetic rn just ain't it."

Then several people jumped the shark with "Well, all your dislike of them is just *phobia", dismissing criticism AND slapping a very hefty label on people and their opinions, some of which, sure, might be coming from a nasty place, but for others, could be coming from a much more nuanced place. Throwing that out there is going to get people prickly.

Then, we have comments then take another leap and introduce the angles of how Sam has (and I DO agree with this part) unfairly been targeted by the media and harassed, and how there's very much some "trans panic" amongst right wing groups in western politics right now. When you take that into context with other statements made that more or less boil down to "shut up and enjoy the music", it starts to beat around the bush and indirectly imply this notion that we should lay off any Sam Smith criticism/dislike/expressing anything negative, solely because of their status/visibility in society and what they've already gone through thus far. I agree that dog piling, especially if it's coming from a place of pure hate, is shitty, but that's also one of the things that comes with the territory of being in the public eye. There's going to be points where the media and GP have an opinion, but just because different kinds of criticism are being lobbed over the fence, does NOT mean that they're all actually just coming from the same mean-spirited or hateful place. To dismiss them all as such, also starts to roundabout say that the *only* possible thing an artist could be critiqued for, is the most visible (and marginalized) parts of themselves, and that kicks off a whole n'other cycle of discourse.

Also, clearly I'm a liar, because this didn't last.
 

AND, to bring this back around to keeping it Charli related to a degree, I liked the snippet. *To me*, and looking solely at Sam's singing and vocals - I feel like it's an odd collab. I could see Sam x Adele, or maybe even Ariana or Jessie Ware - Sam seems to lean up against songs that are a lot more ballady,  slower, and a little more emotional. Sure Sam's been on some dance tracks and club bops, but that doesn't mean much to me because that doesn't really appear to be their "home base" of sonics. I feel like a pairing with the woman who's got songs admitting her cheating, talking about partying and drugs and going hard - it clashes a bit when Sam's singing songs that downplay or chastise some of those topics or the 'aura' around them. At least, to me.

That being said, artists are also allowed to do about-faces. They're allowed to collab and change their minds and shake up their sound. You don't discover new shit without smacking existing shit together and seeing how well it sticks (or doesn't).
 
Charli clearly wanted to work with Sam, they're both teasing the song, so like, happy and excited for them both. I'm not personally a huge Sam Smith Enjoyer™, however there's a few songs I do like them on, a few song's they've written that I do enjoy as well. I just think it's an odd collab in terms of energy and style.

And, when the song is out, and I've given it some good listens, my opinion changes, then I'll eat my words and be left going "Damn, I was unnecessarily critical for no reason. I was an ass."

EDIT: I didn't even notice the extra page of discourse after the original comment my bad for keeping the topic rolling. Um.
 
Someone fucking leak Spring Breakers thanks.

some of y’all missed the point. obviously, if the shoe doesn’t fit, then then it doesn’t fit, but the point is not to brush off the very real homophobic, transphobic, and fatphobic backlash that sam has been receiving over just existing as a public person, (which goes hand in hand with the ongoing conservative gay and trans panic) and to recognize that some of that vitriol also comes from a lot of other queers, which is unfortunate.
 
no one on this thread has said that you can’t criticize their artistry because of they’re part of a “minority” or whatever, so I don’t understand where all of that came from.

some of y’all missed the point. obviously, if the shoe doesn’t fit, then then it doesn’t fit, but the point is not to brush off the very real homophobic, transphobic, and fatphobic backlash that sam has been receiving over just existing as a public person, (which goes hand in hand with the ongoing conservative gay and trans panic) and to recognize that some of that vitriol also comes from a lot of other queers, which is unfortunate.
 
no one on this thread has said that you can’t criticize their artistry because of they’re part of a “minority” or whatever, so I don’t understand where all of that came from.

sisters. we must not fight in this time of chaos in the world

sorry too and visions is literal art  

I only posted that cause I felt like my point was being misunderstood… but I swear it’s nothing personal girl, sorry for coming for you like that. anyways visions 

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

some of y’all missed the point. obviously, if the shoe doesn’t fit, then then it doesn’t fit, but the point is not to brush off the very real homophobic, transphobic, and fatphobic backlash that sam has been receiving over just existing as a public person, (which goes hand in hand with the ongoing conservative gay and trans panic) and to recognize that some of that vitriol also comes from a lot of other queers, which is unfortunate.
 
no one on this thread has said that you can’t criticize their artistry because of they’re part of a “minority” or whatever, so I don’t understand where all of that came from.

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

the sam smith hate goes far beyond their music being “bad”.
lets not act like conservative media didn’t have a field day with sam’s performances and red carpet looks. and then, like clockwork, the self-hating gays started jumping in on the hate train and repeating their rhetoric.
 
even the most innocuous photo of sam goes viral on twitter with thousands of people making fun of their appearance, weight, and their overall presentation.
 
but if you wanna pretend like that’s not an issue then that’s on you 

people and ESPECIALLY gays are so fucking shitty towards Sam Smith when they haven't done anything wrong like I don't even fuck with them or their music like that but the way people are so reactionary towards everything their involved in is so horrid and nasty and obviously stems from internalized homophobia and fatphobia  thats right I pulled out the liberal buzzwords but its trew 
 
neways the song sounds cute idk, its weird with Charli I feel like a lot of the time Ill hear snippets of hers and I'm like "okay?..." and then it comes out and is like the greatest thing ever but im just grateful for new music 

overexposure? girl she’s barely exposed

overexposure? girl she’s barely exposed

overexposure? girl she’s barely exposed

overexposure? girl she’s barely exposed