Coloringbooks 12,799 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, lanaismamom said: maybe its the right thread to discuss this - JFK, Starry Eyed, I Don't Wanna Go and Wild One are Paradise outtakes? made for her second studio album butย during Paradise sessions? outtakes for both projects? (not included Hollywood as this was recorded after Paradise was released) we have this discussion for forever butย never got any clarification and always had a large space for speculations on this theme - we need answers finally Wellllllโฆ accordingย to Lana Wiki: I Don't Wanna Go - leaked in October 2012 JFK - recorded in 2012 Starry Eyed - recorded in 2012ย Hollywood -ย recordedย inย December 2012 (a month after Paradise's release) ย I'm not sure whether we have exact dates for JFK or Starry Eyed and furthermore I wasn't a fan back then, but I've always been a believer that the untouchable 5 are early UV tracks. 7 Quote ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ช ๐๐ช๐๐ค, ๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ค๐ ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฃ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,039 Posted December 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Coloringbooks said: Wellllllโฆ accordingย to Lana Wiki: I Don't Wanna Go - leaked in October 2012 JFK - recorded in 2012 Starry Eyed - recorded in 2012ย Hollywood -ย recordedย inย December 2012 (a month after Paradise's release) ย ย I'm not sure whether we have exact dates for JFK or Starry Eyed and furthermore I wasn't a fan back then, but I've always been a believer that the untouchable 5 are early UV tracks. i mean ya i also thought them to be early UV sound as they all sound similar like they were made for one project but different from paradiseย 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiLanaFan 45,706 Posted December 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, lanaismamom said: oh yeah for sure these songs wasnt meant for UV as we have it released, she had experemental sessions until like may-june 2013 so these songs are just seek of sound, but it techically would be UV outtakes just because they arent paradise outtakes which sessions ended in september 2012 the least, sure there another TROPICO EP which was supposed to include more songs, yeah thats an arbitrary question, but i just need to know if these 4 songs ever meant to be include in paradise or this was the beggining and seek of sound for further record To me, they were part of a new album to come. When she commented on the leak, she did say that there were songs that were meant for the next record. I donโt know if, back then, she needed to have a couple of songs under her belt that could be part of a new album, like she did with UV, HM and so on.ย 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HigherThanHope 656 Posted December 28, 2022 It's difficult (impossible, even) for us to say - andย who cares. The fact is it's pointless trying to separate out anything into Paradise vs. Tropico vs. Pre-UV vs. true UV outtakes. She recorded so much so quickly and they were all in consideration anyway ... even HM isย difficult to separate outtakes out for,ย sinceย she basically never stopped recording in such a ย shortย time period. ย Organizingย 2012-2015 into 3+ different projects... Too difficult ๐ย 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veinsineon 70,186 Posted December 28, 2022 ย California Living Legend Cult Leader Dark City Unidentified Flying Bill Dragonslayer Nectar Of The Gods West Coast (Demo) I Talk To Jesus Fine China Say Yes To Heaven (Demo 2) Cherry Blossom Angels Forever, Forever Angels ย + Summer Wine + Chelsea Hotel No. 2 + Summertime (Mitchell Cover) ย ย theres your trans amย ย and as far as tropicoย ย EP I am betting ย Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that ย ย ย 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,039 Posted December 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Veinsineon said: ย California Living Legend Cult Leader Dark City Unidentified Flying Bill Dragonslayer Nectar Of The Gods West Coast (Demo) I Talk To Jesus Say Yes To Heaven (Demo 2) Cherry Blossom Angels Forever, Forever Angels ย ย theres your trans amย ย and as far as tropicoย ย EP I am betting ย Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that ย which leaves ย Your Girl Piano Theme Morricone Fine China SYTH โAurebachโsโย Version as Early UV? for tropico EP there were only I Talk to Jesus Paradise version, Money Power Glory late 2012 version and Black beauty confirmed, none of that songs were never confirmed to be on tropico 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Grants 12,986 Posted December 28, 2022 I just like to pretend Paradise couldโve been a full record and if it was it would be her best or at least her top 3 11 Quote and also for giving meย Margaret Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Get Drunk 17,475 Posted December 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Veinsineon said: theres your trans amย Regarding trans am, do we have any information on this at all other than the initial photo? 3 Quote ย Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bored 7,827 Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, kaliuchis said: I just like to pretend Paradise couldโve been a full record and if it was it would be her best or at least her top 3 ย Honestly this... ย 01. Ride 02. Angels Forever, Forever Angels 03. Hollywood 04. American 05. Cola 06. Body Electric 07. Gods And Monsters 08. Yayo 09. Burning Desire 10. Guns And Roses 11. Black Beauty 12. Bel Air ย 13. Young And Beautiful (Bonus Track) 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unknown 3,129 Posted December 28, 2022 The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight andย Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful,ย American and Body Electricย by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is.ย 26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,039 Posted December 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight andย Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful,ย American and Body Electricย by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is.ย absolute supremacy omg thank u so much 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloringbooks 12,799 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight andย Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful,ย American and Body Electricย by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is.ย Now that's a plot twist omg?!ย ย I wonder where people got the December date for Hollywoodย from 4 Quote ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ช ๐๐ช๐๐ค, ๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ค๐ ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฃ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,039 Posted December 28, 2022 the way @Unknownjust comes through and revealing mysteries one after one is just too iconic thank u so much 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psychedelic Pussy 28,734 Posted December 28, 2022 This made me realise that for a lot of her albums sheโs written them and then basically shelved it and rewritten most, if not all of the record.ย BTD we had tons of outtakes and demos UV we basically had a completely different album we couldโve gotten, Iโd say the same with LFL. I wonder if that explains the dip in quality of her last 2 albums?ย i know there was originally โrock candy sweetโ but I feel like we just ended up missing out on what was intended as the title track, and got most if not all of the other stuff intended for RCS ย 8 Quote ย Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancidgirl 4,285 Posted December 28, 2022 On 9/2/2018 at 2:16 PM, partymonster said: a while ago i saw a thread on twitter along the lines of how there was supposedly another album recorded before ultraviolence and it would apparently include JFK, angels forever and the old version of black beauty. i don't know if i remember correctly but does anyone know if this was even true lolย super late and someone probably already told u but this is tropico, it was rumoredly supposed to be its own album before being shortened down to a 4 track ep & movie iirc 4 Quote the last rancid girl in a rancid world and i don't seem to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancidgirl 4,285 Posted December 28, 2022 looking thru this thread i am superr late to that comment 3 Quote the last rancid girl in a rancid world and i don't seem to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the ocean 67,620 Posted December 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Veinsineon said: and as far as tropicoย ย EP I am betting ย Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that iโd probably add I Donโt Wanna Go since it was a paradise reject and itโs from the same general time period - she loves reusing her outtakes lol 3 Quote ย Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veinsineon 70,186 Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, the ocean said: iโd probably add I Donโt Wanna Go since it was a paradise reject and itโs from the same general time period - she loves reusing her outtakes lol I just call IDWG Black Leather Moonlightย 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venice Peach 52,884 Posted December 28, 2022 My theory (from my thoughts and what we have info about) is that she wanted the followup ofย BTD to be a full album with the Paradise tracks + the early UV songs and name it Tropico (I think honeymouns said this) but the label rushed her toย rerelease BTD insteadย with fewer songsย and that's what we got (and that's probably why she didn't record all the songs until after Pย release) ย She released the Tropico EP just to use the name and get her wayย and since BB, JFK & co. leaked she scrapped the whole concept and moved on to the final UV 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yes To Heaven 2,937 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight andย Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful,ย American and Body Electricย by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is.ย Starry Eyed follows the same structure asย Tonight/JFK so it is mostly a Paradise outtake I have a feeling all of these were considered for UV and not for Paradise as she recorded a lot of mixes for them. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites