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  1. 1. What are your favourite tracks from NFR?

    • Norman Fucking Rockwell
      267
    • Mariners Apartment Complex
      251
    • Venice Bitch
      373
    • Fuck It, I Love You
      255
    • Doin' Time
      181
    • Love Song
      277
    • Cinnamon Girl
      386
    • How to Disappear
      142
    • California
      402
    • The Next Best American Record
      152
    • The Greatest
      354
    • Bartender
      279
    • Happiness is a Butterfly
      281
    • hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it
      141


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Yeah like, people have been stanning for a decade and now that shes on her way to become a legend, is getting universal acclaim and has found a musical soulmate, her OWN FANS are being negative af... if you dont like the album it is more than okay to post why you feel its not good, but being mad at lana, jack, the album and the critics all at the same time is just :rip:

Yea, that has kind of left me a bit confused, lol. I think it’s because they’re scared that their little secret gem of an artist is finally getting the praise she so rightfully deserves lol. I mean, imagine being mad at an artist that you love is getting acclaim all over the place, just because she released an album that YOU PERSONALLY don’t like. I mean damn, if I acted that way towards any other of my favorite artist like Bone Thugs-n-Harmony or Nicki Minaj for example... I’d probably stop stanning them and stop checking for their music, because lord knows that they’ve released some bad stuff. But I state my opinion maybe a handful of times and then keep it moving and then wait for their next release to see what happens. I mean, they even think these “professional music critics are wrong... like wtf. Lol.

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Also - NFR is Album of the Year for The Music (Australian street-press publication)!
 

https://themusic.com.au/news/the-music-writers-poll-2019-album-of-the-year-lauren-baxter/9tTi6Ovq7ew/24-12-19/

 

Lol, but the point is that people keep beating the same dead negative horse. Lol. Like many other people have said, state your negative opinion it’s fine, but to keep doing it over and over to the point where it’s the same negative opinion on every page, it gets annoying to see. When many people just want to come here and have a good conversation about the album/era and everything that’s going on and etc.

Sure - but I wouldn't go and discuss NFR anywhere else but this thread. Which is what I responded to when you asked why people were posting here instead of "LDR7 pre-release thread or any other thread." This is literally the post-release discussion thread where people want to chat about the album. Although yes, I think we get that certain people are set in their camps now.  :creep:

 

Ps what is ONFRH? (only Norman Fucking Rockwell haters?)
 

Yea, that has kind of left me a bit confused, lol. I think it’s because they’re scared that their little secret gem of an artist is finally getting the praise she so rightfully deserves lol. I mean, imagine being mad at an artist that you love is getting acclaim all over the place, just because she released an album that YOU PERSONALLY don’t like. I mean damn, if I acted that way towards any other of my favorite artist like Bone Thugs-n-Harmony or Nicki Minaj for example... I’d probably stop stanning them and stop checking for their music, because lord knows that they’ve released some bad stuff. But I state my opinion maybe a handful of times and then keep it moving and then wait for their next release to see what happens. I mean, they even think these “professional music critics are wrong... like wtf. Lol.

 

I'd love Lana to win the Grammy for this album! The more people realise her genius, the better. I really am hoping she will win. But it'd be a bit like Natalie Portman winning an Oscar for Black Swan, when she should have won one for Closer. By which I mean, I think there are other entries in her body of work more worthy of what is supposed to be highest distinction in the musical field. I am more upset that she missed out on accolades for those, which are now retroactively being lauded as landmark works that altered pop music in the 2010s. I'm not mad. NFR is a banger and I listen to it regularly, but it does miss the hallmarks of her OG work. 

 

I'm sure a swathe of other members here can (and will) carry this baton on in discussion for me.  :deadbanana:

 

Also as a side note, it's really detrimental to any form of intelligent conversation to say someone must be an expert in a field to have their opinions in it validated. I am not a professional singer, but I can tell when someone is singing out of tune. I also don't run a country, but I can have a say on issues like climate change. As I mentioned in another thread earlier today, art is subjective and just because you're a 'professional' in the industry doesn't mean you're wholeheartedly correct. Throughout history "professional music critics" have dismissed ground breaking works including Carmen, Born to Die, The Rite of Spring and Les Misérables, in consideration of what the zeitgeist is and theorising how GP would react against the standard of the time. Looking back they're hilariously out of touch, soooo don't just rely on what critics say at the time although there is a grain of truth in everything!  :teehee:

 

TL;DR - I love the album even with its flaws! I think other albums were more deserving, but I want Lana to win AOTY and get that praise! I want everyone to know about Lana and acknowledge how great she is. Critics don't mean shittttt (although they are lovely additions).


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Yeah like, people have been stanning for a decade and now that shes on her way to become a legend, is getting universal acclaim and has found a musical soulmate, her OWN FANS are being negative af... if you dont like the album it is more than okay to post why you feel its not good, but being mad at lana, jack, the album and the critics all at the same time is just :rip:

 

The issue that causes some people (e.g., me) to resist the critical acclaim she's getting now is a kind of perceived dishonesty in critics for why they are giving her the acclaim. They attribute their praise to something she did differently in NFR rather than just for their critical opinions changing about what she does over releases. The capsule review you cited above kind of hedges it both ways. Unlike people who believe NFR is blasé, I believe NFR acclaim is warranted; however, I also believe that had LFL been her most recent release (and NFR released after HM), LFL would be up for album of the year, with maybe one of its singles (change?) up for song of the year. I could be wrong, of course, but nobody can prove me wrong, lol.

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LFL???? Lol delulu album was nominated for a Grammy Chile but it ages like rotten spoiled milk. It made zero noise a year after. Literally forgotten.
 

NFR is already her second LONGEST charting album right after BTD. In case, y’all haven’t noticed NFR is still top 20 on iTunes.

 

I have a theory. I genuinely think how her vocals are mixed effects how the gp consumes her. BTD and NFR are the only album with clear crisp vocals that aren’t masked by the tin sounding effects (tho HTD has that effects too but the mix is clearly loud and over the production). 
 

Clear vocals = success. The flavor. 

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I have a theory. I genuinely think how her vocals are mixed effects how the gp consumes her. BTD and NFR are the only album with clear crisp vocals that aren’t masked by the tin sounding effects (tho HTD has that effects too but the mix is clearly loud and over the production). 

 

Clear vocals = success. The flavor. 

now perhaps i have hearing damage but like half that album has that piece of paper muffling shit


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I have a theory. I genuinely think how her vocals are mixed effects how the gp consumes her. BTD and NFR are the only album with clear crisp vocals that aren’t masked by the tin sounding effects (tho HTD has that effects too but the mix is clearly loud and over the production). 

 

Clear vocals = success. The flavor.

 

It certainly helps. I remember when I was a new fan I was baffled how poorly recorded UV was, and certain songs on LFL were totally unpalatable . . . BPBP and TNC ugh.

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I must be alone but I love it when they put lots of effects on her voice. For example how she sounds like an emotionless robot on Body Electric. It just works for me. It's beautiful. And we have the live version when we want more flavor.

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LFL???? Lol delulu album was nominated for a Grammy Chile but it ages like rotten spoiled milk. It made zero noise a year after. Literally forgotten.

 

NFR is already her second LONGEST charting album right after BTD. In case, y’all haven’t noticed NFR is still top 20 on iTunes.

 

I have a theory. I genuinely think how her vocals are mixed effects how the gp consumes her. BTD and NFR are the only album with clear crisp vocals that aren’t masked by the tin sounding effects (tho HTD has that effects too but the mix is clearly loud and over the production). 

 

Clear vocals = success. The flavor.

 

Not to contradict you or argue, but in my opinion, I feel like Honeymoon has her most clear and crisp vocals on most songs... and well you saw how that era went lol. But I understand what you mean.

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I was listening to LFL the other day right after NFR and I was shocked by the difference between the vocals of both albums. Lana's vocals are so clear on NFR, while she sounds so muffled in LFL. And I think that's why so many people thought LFL had boring vocals. I wasn't thinking that but now, I can clearly understand. That weird effect on her voice makes some of her vocals lifeless if that's not too strong of a word. On the other hand, the clarity of her vocals on NFR makes the album so full of life

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Also - NFR is Album of the Year for The Music (Australian street-press publication)!

 

https://themusic.com.au/news/the-music-writers-poll-2019-album-of-the-year-lauren-baxter/9tTi6Ovq7ew/24-12-19/

 

 

Sure - but I wouldn't go and discuss NFR anywhere else but this thread. Which is what I responded to when you asked why people were posting here instead of "LDR7 pre-release thread or any other thread." This is literally the post-release discussion thread where people want to chat about the album. Although yes, I think we get that certain people are set in their camps now. :creep:

 

Ps what is ONFRH? (only Norman Fucking Rockwell haters?)

 

 

 

I'd love Lana to win the Grammy for this album! The more people realise her genius, the better. I really am hoping she will win. But it'd be a bit like Natalie Portman winning an Oscar for Black Swan, when she should have won one for Closer. By which I mean, I think there are other entries in her body of work more worthy of what is supposed to be highest distinction in the musical field. I am more upset that she missed out on accolades for those, which are now retroactively being lauded as landmark works that altered pop music in the 2010s. I'm not mad. NFR is a banger and I listen to it regularly, but it does miss the hallmarks of her OG work.

 

I'm sure a swathe of other members here can (and will) carry this baton on in discussion for me. :deadbanana:

 

Also as a side note, it's really detrimental to any form of intelligent conversation to say someone must be an expert in a field to have their opinions in it validated. I am not a professional singer, but I can tell when someone is singing out of tune. I also don't run a country, but I can have a say on issues like climate change. As I mentioned in another thread earlier today, art is subjective and just because you're a 'professional' in the industry doesn't mean you're wholeheartedly correct. Throughout history "professional music critics" have dismissed ground breaking works including Carmen, Born to Die, The Rite of Spring and Les Misérables, in consideration of what the zeitgeist is and theorising how GP would react against the standard of the time. Looking back they're hilariously out of touch, soooo don't just rely on what critics say at the time although there is a grain of truth in everything! :teehee:

 

TL;DR - I love the album even with its flaws! I think other albums were more deserving, but I want Lana to win AOTY and get that praise! I want everyone to know about Lana and acknowledge how great she is. Critics don't mean shittttt (although they are lovely additions).

It’s a thing they say on ATRL lol, so for example OGH normally would mean Obsessed Gaga Hater. Someone who is obsessed with hating on something mainly an artist, etc. and they constantly go into threads of said artist just to post negative things about them and etc

 

Don’t get me wrong I completely agree with you about the whole critics thing, I maybe shouldn’t have said that, but it’s nice to have them saying so many positive things and to have them on our side, especially after they spent years spewing negative crap and tried to destroy her career over bs.

 

And trust me, as much as I love NFR, I really wish she had gotten all this acclaim and accolades for UV, which is and always will be my favorite album by her. That album imo is perfect, the crazy part, is that when that album was released. I remember seeing so many members hating on it and saying it was terrible. But I think those members either eventually turned and learned to appreciate the album or they finally gave up and unstanned lol, maybe that will happen with NFR Lol. Jk. Well tbh, the same thing happened with HM. I remember all the negative comments, people said it was boring, uninspired and that she sounded bored as hell on that album, and now people claim it as her best album and even her peak lol. The HM era was probably the first era where I was fully and completely invested in Lana, when it comes to UV, I discovered Lana a few months after the release of that album, so I wasn’t fully around for the whole era and all that. I’d love to have been a fan during the BTD era, because that was definitely her highest mainstream peak imo.

 

Which brings me to another question, do y’all think that she has re peaked mainstream wise with NFR? Or was she still way bigger during the BTD/Paradise era? I guess chart wise probably not, maybe she was having bigger peaks when it came to charts and stuff? What do y’all think? Maybe if she wins the Grammy then for sure she will probably have a way bigger peak than the BTD/Paradise era?

 

Sorry if I skipped around replying to some of your post lol, I’m super tired, and I’m trying to keep my eyes open lol.

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For me, Honeymoon had her peak vocals because it shown a great balance of her feeling laid back and almost singing in her natural voice, but also still maintaining her sultry, womanly, femme fatale deep cinematic DEL REY voice at the same time. There's a spark of mystery and delicacy in every note that she sings without trying too hard. Her NFR vocals do the exact same thing but shes completely stripped of her DEL REY character and its just Elizabeth singing, its very noticeable and probably a big reason why a lot of us feel as though NFR isnt a Lana Del Rey album, because well, it isnt. Honeymoon was in fact her last album regarding that persona. Lust for Life was the bridge between the two.

 

It is sort of sad when you think about it, but i couldnt think of a better ending for such a well crafted character than a record as grand and magnificent as Honeymoon was


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I was listening to LFL the other day right after NFR and I was shocked by the difference between the vocals of both albums. Lana's vocals are so clear on NFR, while she sounds so muffled in LFL. And I think that's why so many people thought LFL had boring vocals in LFL. I wasn't thinking that but now, I can clearly understand. That weird effect on her voice makes some of her vocals lifeless if that's not too strong of a word. On the other hand, the clarity of her vocals on NFR makes the album so full of life

I definitely agree with the last part, like for example I love the title track of NFR, But I feel like it being a piano ballad I’d normally would skip it and only listen to it when I was in the mood or just laying in bed, but since the vocals sound so good and crisp I actually listen to it like any other song and look forward to listening to it and especially that last minute, wheeewww it scalps me every time lol.

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They hate to see it because they can't afford their medication for BPD. 

 

This is a foul post. You're a disgusting person for using mental illness as a joke/insult.


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Honeymoon was not clear or crisp y’all are hearing impaired omg.

 

There’s a thick layer of muddy effects on top of her voice.

 

Aka (undoubtedly her crispiest vocals, no reverb, no nothing) > NFR (her voice is almost as clear as Aka, in fact the mix here is LOUDER than Aka) > BTD (crispy vocals, her voice is super clear despite the added reverb) > LFL > HM > UV (her most layered vocal mix too many effects, her voice here blends into the production and sounds tinny)

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I just wish Lana wouldn't combine multiple songs into the same video (this goes for any artist), like often times there will be a song someone doesn't like as much or at all, but you have to go through them all lol  :facepalm:  


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Yea, that has kind of left me a bit confused, lol. I think it’s because they’re scared that their little secret gem of an artist is finally getting the praise she so rightfully deserves lol. I mean, imagine being mad at an artist that you love is getting acclaim all over the place, just because she released an album that YOU PERSONALLY don’t like. I mean damn, if I acted that way towards any other of my favorite artist like Bone Thugs-n-Harmony or Nicki Minaj for example... I’d probably stop stanning them and stop checking for their music, because lord knows that they’ve released some bad stuff. But I state my opinion maybe a handful of times and then keep it moving and then wait for their next release to see what happens. I mean, they even think these “professional music critics are wrong... like wtf. Lol.

chile no one is mad bc Lana's finally being praised :brows3: we're confused cuz she's getting all this recognition bc of NFR aka an unfinished album with a sloppy production (and corny lyrics in half of the songs) when good sis could've had all of that back in the days with bodies of work that actually DESERVED love and recognition, like her past albums. what were the critics doing when BTD was out? except hissing behind her back and calling her a manufactured blow up doll?

 

no one hates NFR. the album is good, but there's just something missing, at least to those of us who aren't madly in love w it. i'm rlly happy Lana's finally getting the recognition she deserves, and hell, i'll be over the f-cking moon if she gets a Grammy, but i just don't understand where all that energy was when her past albums (who actually TRULY represent her and who are flawless as well, from the production to the lyrics, to the mvs to the aesthetic) were out in the wild.


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