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On 6/28/2022 at 9:43 AM, sadhotforever said:

BB is a messy album, while it's not bad, it's not Lana's best work. You're allowed to like/praise it, but don't pretend like others just don't get it. As for the last sentence, Lana literally never did anything like that, and why would we expect something like that after COTCC?

Im not talking about the production if that’s what you’re referencing. I can agree that it wasn’t the most cohesive production, however, I didn’t pretend there was a lot of people saying they hated it cause she doesn’t sing about cocaine and sugar daddies anymore 😭 but I do feel BB was meant to be produced the way it was. I’m just commenting how it’s unfair to hate on the story she’s writing, as opposed to the music that’s being produced. And she’s def made upbeat songs in the past I was just exaggerating lmao

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2 hours ago, Sunset Opal said:

I AM TIRED OF THIS SHIT GIMME SOMETHING 

 


I DON’T WANNA GIVE YOU NOTHING 

’CAUSE YOU NEVER GIVE ME NOTHING BACK
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If we get snippets, or a snippet trailer, great. If we don't, great.

 

I have an intuition that Lana is 'over' making pop music, for some reason, perhaps due to her maturity, at least the kind of pop music Lorde made on her last album and Taylor made with 'Gold Rush' on Folklore.  

 

It seems to me that Lana really wants to "say something" now with her music and poetry, and make some kind of 'mature' point, as she did on, say, 'Marriner's Apartment Complex,' 'The Greatest,' 'Hope,' 'White Dress,' 'Yosemite,' 'WFWF,' and 'Arcadia.' Lyrically, I expect more songs in that vein, songs that can be taken seriously, especially by her peers in the music industry. 

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22 minutes ago, Vertimus said:

If we get snippets, or a snippet trailer, great. If we don't, great.

 

I have an intuition that Lana is 'over' making pop music, for some reason, perhaps due to her maturity, at least the kind of pop music Lorde made on her last album and Taylor made with 'Gold Rush' on Folklore.  

 

It seems to me that Lana really wants to "say something" now with her music and poetry, and make some kind of 'mature' point, as she did on, say, 'Marriner's Apartment Complex,' 'The Greatest,' 'Hope,' 'White Dress,' 'Yosemite,' 'WFWF,' and 'Arcadia.' Lyrically, I expect more songs in that vein, songs that can be taken seriously, especially by her peers in the music industry. 

i think you're right, thats what shes going for

 

but i don't think its something she needs to go for. she's already respected, she's got...

-legends (bob dylan, joan baez, even priscilla presley lol) shouting her out and giving her props

-her industry peers who like her (lady gaga, katy perry,  kali uchis, jhene aiko, taylor swift, etc....male rappers seem to really like her too lol)

-a generation of new alt girls (billie eilish, halsey, etc) who have said they're inspired by her and openly fangirl (or bite her style *cough cough* lorde)

-ten grammy nominations, plenty of awards, born to die has charted for like 10 years straight, etc etc

 

i think she has some kind of underdog mentality but it's not really warranted cause she's not an underdog...she's respected, she's acclaimed, she's accomplished. there's nothing left to prove


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33 minutes ago, ShadesOfFool said:

i think you're right, thats what shes going for

 

but i don't think its something she needs to go for. she's already respected, she's got...

-legends (bob dylan, joan baez, even priscilla presley lol) shouting her out and giving her props

-her industry peers who like her (lady gaga, katy perry,  kali uchis, jhene aiko, taylor swift, etc....male rappers seem to really like her too lol)

-a generation of new alt girls (billie eilish, halsey, etc) who have said they're inspired by her and openly fangirl (or bite her style *cough cough* lorde)

-ten grammy nominations, plenty of awards, born to die has charted for like 10 years straight, etc etc

 

i think she has some kind of underdog mentality but it's not really warranted cause she's not an underdog...she's respected, she's acclaimed, she's accomplished. there's nothing left to prove

I agree completely, and don't forget Bruce Springsteen, who is a huge fan and probably knows all her leaked tracks too. She already has the respect of her peers (I'm waiting for Tori Amos to chime in, Yay or Nay). 

 

I will accept whatever comes next, though I would like some tracks that are a little more dramatic, uptempo, and perhaps flippant like 'Serene Queen.'  I've at least liked, if not always loved, all stages of Lana's releases in her LDR persona, but I still think she'll eventually show more strength, not less, when she feels comfortable releasing relatively 'liter' tracks something like 'Summertime Sadness,'  'Hollywood,' or 'Angels Forever.' 

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28 minutes ago, ShadesOfFool said:

i think she has some kind of underdog mentality but it's not really warranted cause she's not an underdog...she's respected, she's acclaimed, she's accomplished. there's nothing left to prove

I agree with you but I think the issue with her is that she was treated so badly at the beginning of her career that no matter the acclaim (NFR for example) she will always feel not respected enough in the industry :um2:

 


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2 minutes ago, Venice Peach said:

I agree with you but I think the issue with her is that she was treated so badly at the beginning of her career that no matter the acclaim (NFR for example) she will always feel not respected enough in the industry :um2:

 

you're right but i think she maybe just needs to get over it  :pft:


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6 minutes ago, Venice Peach said:

I agree with you but I think the issue with her is that she was treated so badly at the beginning of her career that no matter the acclaim (NFR for example) she will always feel not respected enough in the industry :um2:

 

When she has the praise of Dylan, Baez, and Springsteen, who cares what Kim Gordon thinks? Obviously, not everyone is going to like her music or admire her. That's a given.  

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7 minutes ago, Venice Peach said:

I agree with you but I think the issue with her is that she was treated so badly at the beginning of her career that no matter the acclaim (NFR for example) she will always feel not respected enough in the industry :um2:

 

I think that while she may be respected within the industry, the majority of the public doesn't like her because of the QFTC & other stuff, if not that, then most tend to look down on her for her earlier work.


 

 

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2 minutes ago, sadhotforever said:

I think that while she may be respected within the industry, the majority of the public doesn't like her because of the QFTC & other stuff, if not that, then most tend to look down on her for her earlier work.

well to be fair QFTC and her ensuing awkward racially questionable statements were not a good look, so her reputation did take a hit and i think the criticism is fair in that regard


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2 minutes ago, ShadesOfFool said:

well to be fair QFTC and her ensuing awkward racially questionable statements were not a good look, so her reputation did take a hit and i think the criticism is fair in that regard

Totally agree, I think that some sort of apology was warranted but I'm just saying that's probably a big part of her "underdog mentality."


 

 

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1 minute ago, Vertimus said:

When she has the praise of Dylan, Baez, and Springsteen, who cares what Kim Gordon thinks? Obviously, not everyone is going to like her music or admire her. That's a given.  

David Lynch, Snoop Dogg, Liam Gallagher, Kanye and Damon Albarn admire her too. It's bizarre to me how at the time when media and critics were tearing her apart, fellow musicians appreciated her talent. 

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QFTC was just cringe inducing, she didn’t think before she posted.  I don’t think she’s racist absolutely not, but she was not aware of what she was saying and the implications it has. Just tone deaf from her, then she did an awful interview where she made comments about the insurrection that was a complete mess.  But I don’t think it’s done as much damage as she thinks, her core fanbase is solid….the media forgets eventually.  


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She probably has PTSD from QFTC, there has been relentless bad news every week for a while now, and it's completely understandable that even though the album is most likely finished, it is perpetually feeling like the wrong time for her to announce. Other surprise droppers this month are not bothered by such things. :crossed:

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idk i'd be pissed too if i was insulted for creating something of myself on my own and being called so n so, to then influencing the mainstream/ sound and them getting praised for it and being forgotten and pushed back, with little to no recognition for a great part. i'm sure there's more to how it works but they took her wave and claimed it as their own when they were shitting on her before. i am very much glad other artists are praising her, but to have that on you starting out, she shouldn't've had such a tougher time breaking thru when other less seasoned artists were basically just getting their fame for being able to be marketable. 

good on her for pushing thru.
 

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