Random Lana Discussion Thread

[vrsyva 49]

what’s his name? 

[Dark Angel 206,760]

NVM

[Cult Leader 6,591]

3 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

 

Imo: it's not Lana's fault bc she couldn't have known bc her team is consistently garbage. But it could be her fault debatably bc her team has always been garbage.

 

 

I'm really not saying this to be confrontational or aggressive or anything really, I like you and I think you're cool! But realistically, Lana nor Ben are his boss, they're not the CEO or HR of Black Box security, when you hire a third party service you're not that involved in background checks, the most they can do is request a new security guard and forward all of this info. I know cause my dad does a similar thing for his company, like he's polite and friendly to the security guards, but he's not all in their business y'know? I hope this girl gets in contact with Black Box security because they're the ones who can do something like firing him. I don't mean to blindly defend, I'm thinking about this logically, and like I said you can't fire someone from a company you're not in charge of. You can only say hey I don't want to work with this person anymore for these reasons please look into it and send me another bodyguard. I hope this guy gets fired cause he's awful, but that's Black Box's responsibility

[drugsdesire 10,513]

1 minute ago, kingk said:

 

honestly, if i am to place blame i will do so on anyone involved for allowing this to continue nearing a year after the victim contacted everybody within her cicle. and whether she knows or not, i think she would still be liable to an extent but that is besides my point. my point here is that you guys always do this, you always shift blame, you always allow negligence and ignorance. every time.

also it directly involves lana, if anything for her own safety, and i would like to think it would become personal to her too when the man she has given her dogs to, apparently bought clothes for and surrounded herself with even if purely for professional purposes currently has a restraining order against his ex partner for DV?

 

thats it

i’m not shifting blame when the full blame shouldn’t be on her in the first place  i understand where you’re coming from, but i don’t agree. sure it directly involves lana, but she can’t do anything about it if she doesn’t know. and if her team were to inform her, or if she were to find out someway, which i hope happens, she would know and take the right steps. i hope she knows and i hope she fires him, but her team is stopping that by silencing people and the girl for speaking out. i do get what ur saying but…

[Dark Angel 206,760]

deleted my other post because i found it misinformed and a bit crass, but i just think we shouldn't automatically assume lana's aware of the allegations and is supporting her bodyguard regardless, when we don't even know these people, what's going on in their personal lives, or how they feel about said occurrences

 

NGL it sometimes feels like some people here are just eager for an opportunity to hate on lana, to have reason to criticize her, or just want any sort of drama surrounding her they can discuss and make themselves look good about, which i find quite pathetic

 

if her bodyguard really was just some random guy who was hired from a third-party company, i really find it ridiculous to put so much blame on her when it's literally just some dude she hired, it's not like he works closely and personally with her, he likely works as a bodyguard for other people as well and is just fulfilling his role, and likely isn't too directly involve with her or her life

[baddisease 18,375]

2 minutes ago, Cult Leader said:

I'm really not saying this to be confrontational or aggressive or anything really, I like you and I think you're cool! But realistically, Lana nor Ben are his boss, they're not the CEO or HR of Black Box security, when you hire a third party service you're not that involved in background checks, the most they can do is request a new security guard and forward all of this info. I know cause my dad does a similar thing for his company, like he's polite and friendly to the security guards, but he's not all in their business y'know? I hope this girl gets in contact with Black Box security because they're the ones who can do something like firing him. I don't mean to blindly defend, I'm thinking about this logically, and like I said you can't fire someone from a company you're not in charge of. You can only say hey I don't want to work with this person anymore for these reasons please look into it and send me another bodyguard. I hope this guy gets fired cause he's awful, but that's Black Box's responsibility

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

[kingk 603]

Just now, baddisease said:

His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

this is how i feel.

[Cult Leader 6,591]

Just now, baddisease said:

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

I see what you mean! I also don't like How Tap management is handling this.

We'll see how this story develops and again I just hope this girl is safe

[Dark Angel 206,760]

5 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

 

Awww. I like you too!

 

 

She's not responsible for that, but she knows how really bad Ben and Ed are with a lot of things. And those two, or at least Ben, is responsible for blocking people for bringing it up. His reaction and the reaction of the people on her team - the ones she does have the ability to control to some degree - make her responsible in my eyes.

 

her team, which is comprised of individual people who have their own thoughts, beliefs, and actions, do not automatically reflect her as a person, she can't be directly responsible for everything they do, i'm sorry, but that's very unfair to her, should she be obligated to check in on and approve of absolutely everything each individual person on her team does? she hires people to work for her and has to trust to some extent that they will do the right things, but that doesn't always mean they will, because they're all individual people at the end of the day who will do what they believe to be right, and she can't be blamed for other people's wrong actions

[dexter 2,695]

3 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

if her bodyguard really was just some random guy who was hired from a third-party company, i really find it ridiculous to put so much blame on her when it's literally just some dude she hired, if a couple hires someone to fix their roof and the guy who fixes their roof turns out to be abusive to their partner, is it the couple's fault? should we assume the couple's going to know everything about the guy who fixes their roof? no, that's ridiculous

there friends. I don’t know how else to put it but you don’t give away your dogs and buy clothes for someone that just works for you. also he was allegedly with Jeremy on his tours. he’s a friend. 

If Ben is deleting comments about this situation and ignoring complaints it proves her team are shielding him and protecting him. 
let’s not dance around it, she’s not oblivious to everything that goes on she most likely knows about it. 
We can’t just say it’s her teams fault, her team is literally a reflection of her, on her payroll, and therefore if there is no action taken about this she is also to blame 

[kingk 603]

9 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

NGL it sometimes feels like some people here are just eager for an opportunity to hate on lana, to have reason to criticize her, or just want any sort of drama surrounding her they can discuss and make themselves look good about, which i find quite pathetic

for sure 

 

but imo the disagreeing comments in regards to this topic were all very valid and clearly out of frustration   and putting lana on a pedestal is also quite pathetic

[baddisease 18,375]

3 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

her team, which is comprised of individual people who have their own thoughts, beliefs, and actions, do not automatically reflect her as a person, she can't be directly responsible for everything they do, i'm sorry, but that's very unfair to her, should she be obligated to check in on and approve of absolutely everything each individual person on her team does? she hires people to work for her and has to trust to some extent that they will do the right things, but that doesn't always mean they will, because they're all individual people at the end of the day who will do what they believe to be right, and she can't be blamed for other people's wrong actions

 

 

The role of the team is to protect and handle Lana Del Rey the artist and brand. 

 

Elizabeth Grant the person is responsible for everything involved in that brand. 

 

How the team handles things like this reflects on her as a person bc she created that brand.

[vicdelrey 1,496]

let's not forget charlie "ignored" her, I don't want to throw the rock at anyone, not even talking about lana here, but her teams ignoring and deleting comments are questionable.

Anyways I hope they reach to her soon and fire him, that's all we want 

[jaesana 4,963]

Just now, vicdelrey said:

let's not forget charlie "ignored" her, I don't want to throw the rock at anyone, not even talking about lana here, but her teams ignoring and deleting comments are questionable.

Anyways I hope they reach to her soon and fire him, that's all we want 

I imagine he did that for legal reasons, honestly. If I got a text like that I’d be like ??? and probably text Lana 

[vicdelrey 1,496]

2 minutes ago, jaesana said:

I imagine he did that for legal reasons, honestly. If I got a text like that I’d be like ??? and probably text Lana 

it's been going on since may of last year right ? they had sm time to have a talk with her I feel like he just ignored her, but who knows 

[jaesana 4,963]

1 minute ago, vicdelrey said:

this been going since may last year right ? they had sm time to have a talk with her I feel like he just ignored her but who knows 

I have no idea about the timeline of things. her brother has always given me the ick.

[blueskiesforever 1,190]

If the allegations are true, a man with a history of DV and court cases should not be working for a security company, in any capacity, period. I really doubt she’s making this up. 
 

And if what she also said about him sharing details and bragging about conversations he has overheard that’s likely an NDA violation, which I assume he probably signed one if working with a celebrity. 

[Jack donoghue 73]

Just now, jaesana said:

I have no idea about the timeline of things. her brother has always given me the ick.

Kinda same, he always seemed like an edgelord with no moral compass

[J03 651]

I just don’t see how wether he works for Black Box or not makes a difference? She employs a security company, she doesn’t hire their staff for them, she may also have reason to believe these allegations may not be true. Not saying it’s not, but she has crazy fans sending all sorts of things to her and her family members, she’s had people in her house etc, we don’t know if she knows this girl is actually connected to him and not just someone else in their DM’s. 

[Dark Angel 206,760]

15 minutes ago, kingk said:

for sure 

 

but imo the disagreeing comments in regards to this topic were all very valid and clearly out of frustration   and putting lana on a pedestal is also quite pathetic

 

not putting her on a pedestal  i have no problem with admitting that she's done some questionable things, and hasn't always been perfect, i just don't want to automatically label her a bad person, or someone who's siding with and protecting someone committing domestic violence, when we don't know every detail of what's going on regarding people we don't know

 

and, regardless, somebody on her team doing something bad is NOT THE SAME as her, HERSELF, doing something bad, i do agree she's responsible for her team, to an extent, but i do not believe she directed her team to ignore particular people if they speak out on somebody they hired doing something bad, honestly, i have no idea as to why her team would be ignoring and silencing someone who's just speaking out about something they're concern about, and doesn't look good on their part, but i'm not going to just point fingers at lana for it, and like @jaesana said, maybe certain people have legal limitations as to what they can do or say