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I don't know if it belongs to this thread or the random one, but I've finally understood why I'm not vibing with Lana's music lately. 

 

It's the autobiographic thingy for me. I just don't care. :whatever:

 

I've always loved how she would tell stories in a way they felt universal. Even if you've never ever fell in love with an old gangster, or never got into a toxic relationship, you could get into the mood and feel every tiny bit of her raw emotions through the metaphors and vivid imagery. It might be a little specific in my case, but I've always written with Lana in the background because some of her earlier works have the same vibe as my characters's stories. Not necessarily the same story, but they're feeling the same as the personas in her songs, if that makes sense? 

 

Anyway, old Lana songs felt like novels to me. When I was listening to them, it was like I was drown into a whole different world.

Right now, I just get the impression she's singing her diary to me (I remember @Rorman Nockwell saying something similar?) and it's so bland and so boring I can't help but skip the songs. The irony is that she's singing about more common experiences (in my humble opinion, but maybe that's because I had mommy issues too) but there's a way she's writing them that gives off a really strange self-centered vibe...? :wtf2: I don't know how to explain that feeling. It's like I'm completely excluded from the story, because she's not singing about her life to tell it to us: she's singing about her for her, probably to her as well.

 

Or maybe it's just hat I'm not currently in the mood to listen to BB :xgiggle:

 

Sorry if I'm wordy and can't get things right, I'm a mess today and I can't think straight even in French. :crossed:

 

Edit: I feel like I've already written something like that before but I'm too burnt out to know if I'm dreaming or not. I might be rambling. 

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2 hours ago, Alison by Slowdive said:

Get it off your chest baby :trisha: Personally I think violets for roses and beautiful are really weak, I almost can’t believe she made them lol :trisha:

i agree with beautiful - but i do love violets for roses (except the ‘something big happening’ line is so poorly written. it makes me cringe)

 

Im still trying to work out whether I like this album or not. Lana’s singer songwriter sound of NFR! was perfect, but now it’s like she’s purposely making the quality of her work bad for that low budget effect and it’s kind of annoying. And by quality I mean the horrible vocal mixing on basically every new song on the record, not her songwriting / vocals. Like the mixing on Beautiful’s vocals are horrendous lol. Idk. I hope she works out how to make this singer songwriter style she’s going for work, because it’s coming off to me as disingenuous  and kind of cringey right now 


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2 hours ago, Alison by Slowdive said:

Get it off your chest baby :trisha: Personally I think violets for roses and beautiful are really weak, I almost can’t believe she made them lol :trisha:

 

i love VFR but beautiful is the corniest song she's ever written (i suspected this might be the case based on the title lol), the picasso lyrics are goofy, how did the woman who made BBS also write this absolute drivel :defeated:


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1 hour ago, Mash Tragic said:

I don't know if it belongs to this thread or the random one, but I've finally understood why I'm not vibing with Lana's music lately. 

 

It's the autobiographic thingy for me. I just don't care. :whatever:

 

I've always loved how she would tell stories in a way they felt universal. Even if you've never ever fell in love with an old gangster, or never got into a toxic relationship, you could get into the mood and feel every tiny bit of her raw emotions through the metaphors and vivid imagery. It might be a little specific in my case, but I've always written with Lana in the background because some of her earlier works have the same vibe as my characters's stories. Not necessarily the same story, but they're feeling the same as the personas in her songs, if that makes sense? 

 

Anyway, old Lana songs felt like novels to me. When I was listening to them, it was like I was drown into a whole different world.

Right now, I just get the impression she's singing her diary to me (I remember @Rorman Nockwell saying something similar?) and it's so bland and so boring I can't help but skip the songs. The irony is that she's singing about more common experiences (in my humble opinion, but maybe that's because I had mommy issues too) but there's a way she's writing them that gives off a really strange self-centered vibe...? :wtf2: I don't know how to explain that feeling. It's like I'm completely excluded from the story, because she's not singing about her life to tell it to us: she's singing about her for her, probably to her as well.

 

Or maybe it's just hat I'm not currently in the mood to listen to BB :xgiggle:

 

Sorry if I'm wordy and can't get things right, I'm a mess today and I can't think straight even in French. :crossed:

 

Edit: I feel like I've already written something like that before but I'm too burnt out to know if I'm dreaming or not. I might be rambling. 

 

I definitely agree. It does seem like the lyrics of Lana's recent work (after LFL) sound like journal entries than lyrics. Even when you read the lyrics in front of you, they're structured like excerpts from a poetry book. 

 

I do think the issue is that the lyrics are becoming more personal than ever before which explains why it's getting harder to relate to. Lana is singing about her life, but it's too personal to the point where we the listeners can't insert ourselves into that 'world' without feeling like we're being invasive. Her old lyrics were vague enough when the stories she told could literally apply to anyone, which is why the listeners could fully immerse themselves in that world, much like an escapism.


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I like the journal entry type lyrics, but for me, I think that that's because I relate to them a lot more than I do her previous works at this current point in my life. From BTD-LFL, I can't say I ever felt like Lana's lyrics were relatable to me despite the fact that I think those albums have some of her best lyrics. But, of course, relatability isn't what makes lyrics good. It's just that in my experience, I feel a lot more of an inner connection to Lana's recent lyrics than I have in the past. I can see why someone wouldn't be a fan, though. A lot of the time it's very straightforward and can be kind of heavy to listen to at times with how vulnerable some of her lyrics have been lately. 


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I personally still find her lyrics to be relatable despite them becoming more personal. I don't think relatable has to mean "omg it's me she's singing about!" but instead being able to relate to the emotion behind it. 

 

I also don't want/need to be able to insert myself into all art. One of the best things about good storytelling is exploring that world and discovering the little details and connections to uncover a deeper meaning, that you can then apply to your own life and learn from if you choose to. As Lana's writing becomes increasingly personal, she's inviting us to dive even deeper into her life and discover things about her, that also reflect her observations of the world at large, and for me at least it makes her consistently thrilling to listen to.

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4 hours ago, DCooper said:

I personally still find her lyrics to be relatable despite them becoming more personal. I don't think relatable has to mean "omg it's me she's singing about!" but instead being able to relate to the emotion behind it. 

 

I also don't want/need to be able to insert myself into all art. One of the best things about good storytelling is exploring that world and discovering the little details and connections to uncover a deeper meaning, that you can then apply to your own life and learn from if you choose to. As Lana's writing becomes increasingly personal, she's inviting us to dive even deeper into her life and discover things about her, that also reflect her observations of the world at large, and for me at least it makes her consistently thrilling to listen to.

 

That's funny because her current lyricism does the exact opposite for me! I never felt her lyrics to be relatable in any way in my life (I'm the shy hermit type and I never fell in love, never did drugs or parties :blush3:) but I think the BB songs (the new ones) don't really have a deeper meaning than what's she's singing about. Her writing's getting more personal, but it's also getting less metaphoric, much more simple/straightforward and actually more relatable (at least to me). Or the stories are relatable but the way she's writing them (the journal entries) are less emotional to me, probably because I prefer her old writing style since it resonates more with mine.

Also I can't stand the whole LA socialites vibes but it's another story. Let's say it adds to my deception.

 

I guess I preferred the older days because she comes across as... hm, really basic(?) to me lately. :wtf3: I think she's trying to connect her work with older prestigious artists (that's what I get from NFR at least) and it's watering down her own artistry. She's definitely experimenting (with tracks like Dealer) but there's also songs that sound like caricatures of her previous ones. It didn't bother me before but again, it adds to my deception.

 

I do love the album otherwise and I really enjoyed it. It's just less inspiring to me, as a writer and I realized why.

I also want to say it's purely subjective and in no way am I saying her work is garbage like some so-called critics. :creepna3: But her lyricism doesn't have as much an impact on me anymore.

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6 hours ago, Mash Tragic said:

I don't know if it belongs to this thread or the random one, but I've finally understood why I'm not vibing with Lana's music lately. 

 

It's the autobiographic thingy for me. I just don't care. :whatever:

 

I've always loved how she would tell stories in a way they felt universal. Even if you've never ever fell in love with an old gangster, or never got into a toxic relationship, you could get into the mood and feel every tiny bit of her raw emotions through the metaphors and vivid imagery. It might be a little specific in my case, but I've always written with Lana in the background because some of her earlier works have the same vibe as my characters's stories. Not necessarily the same story, but they're feeling the same as the personas in her songs, if that makes sense? 

 

Anyway, old Lana songs felt like novels to me. When I was listening to them, it was like I was drown into a whole different world.

Right now, I just get the impression she's singing her diary to me (I remember @Rorman Nockwell saying something similar?) and it's so bland and so boring I can't help but skip the songs. The irony is that she's singing about more common experiences (in my humble opinion, but maybe that's because I had mommy issues too) but there's a way she's writing them that gives off a really strange self-centered vibe...? :wtf2: I don't know how to explain that feeling. It's like I'm completely excluded from the story, because she's not singing about her life to tell it to us: she's singing about her for her, probably to her as well.

 

Or maybe it's just hat I'm not currently in the mood to listen to BB :xgiggle:

 

Sorry if I'm wordy and can't get things right, I'm a mess today and I can't think straight even in French. :crossed:

 

Edit: I feel like I've already written something like that before but I'm too burnt out to know if I'm dreaming or not. I might be rambling. 

yurrrr this is exactly how i feel

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6 hours ago, lilithlana said:

Swan Song is my last favourite song from Honeymoon even though it had a lot of potential I just think It ended up being a bit too lackuster and it seems unfinished to me.


Swan Song is SO filler:awkney: has anybody here actually deliberately listened to it in the past few years ?  Ive not played it since like 2016


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9 minutes ago, May said:


Swan Song is SO filler:awkney: has anybody here actually deliberately listened to it in the past few years ?  Ive not played it since like 2016

I played Swan Song today & it's not a filler at all. It's underrated:oprah3:

 


' I think I need to add that song, "Dealer ", where I'm just screaming my head off. People don't know what it sounds like when I yell. And I do yell.':scream:

And she finally did:gurl:

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9 minutes ago, May said:


Swan Song is SO filler:awkney: has anybody here actually deliberately listened to it in the past few years ?  Ive not played it since like 2016

 

Yeah Honeymoon would have been so much better ending with the epicness of The Blackest Day. The last three songs... drag the album and are not that good even tho I love 24


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I'm sorry, but I just cannot get into Dark Paradise, it's one of my least favorite Lana songs ever. I never have and most likely never will be able to. Something about it puts me off and I don't even know why. I can't get into the demos either. 

 

Also, Swan Song is incredible. It's personally my favorite song on Honeymoon. I'll never understand why that one is always so low in people's rankings 


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I can't believe people often quote NFR as part of their holy trinity. I view it as the worst album she ever put out, after Lust For Life.

 

The production on this album has such a strong watered-down feel to it that it feels like there is a veil between sound and listener that hinders communication between both on literally every song, making her voice sound distant. The electric guitars that are used sound nothing like those on Ultraviolence or even on songs like Heroin, they sound like weird keyboards, which makes it hard for me to give any credit to the rock feel she was going for on songs like Venice Bitch and The Greatest. Same for the violins. It's crazy how good the violons on Violets for Roses or Thunder sound compared to the cheap violins Jack used on Love Song or Venice Bitch. I don't buy the more upbeat side of it either, because it's like she threw in a few 'urban' elements or lyrics without ever making an actual bop. The piano ballads are forgettable. The album has some good songs, but as a whole, I see it as bland and watered down. It's still good, because it's Lana's voice and melodies, but it's really bland. Apart from Hope and How To Disappear, I find the lyrics to be extremely poor and uninspired, which is why I have a hard time seeing this album as a commentary on the state of America. I just can't consider "I miss X and I miss Y and I miss Z" to be relevant and serious enough to be even a bit of a social or political commentary. I mean, I know she said in interviews that the title was supposed to evoke what Norman Rockwell, or America from the fifties in general, would say about today's society. But I just can't derive from

the album any idea or conception regarding that commentary. It's like she said she made a commentary on America on this album without actually making any of it. The critics - and, in my opinion, the fans - made it way deeper than it is.

 

Not to mention how painful the era was. Waiting for a year between the single and the album was the worst she put us through. I loathed the whole baddie aesthetic she had going on. I hated the way her managers interacted with us. I hated Don't Call Me Angel. And by the time the album came out, there were only two songs we had heard nothing of, because she posted countless snippets. The music videos were dreadful.

 

Chemtrails, although suffering from the same flaws linked with Jack's production, was at least much more humble a project, and created more of a pleasant atmosphere. It also had better lyrics and a better rollout.

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13 minutes ago, May said:


Swan Song is SO filler:awkney: has anybody here actually deliberately listened to it in the past few years ?  Ive not played it since like 2016

At first I didn't even notice it, but now it's my top three song on HM.

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Just now, Super Movie said:

I'm sorry, but I just cannot get into Dark Paradise, it's one of my least favorite Lana songs ever. I never have and most likely never will be able to. Something about it puts me off and I don't even know why. I can't get into the demos either. 

 

Also, Swan Song is incredible. It's personally my favorite song on Honeymoon. I'll never understand why that one is always so low in people's rankings 

For me Dark Paradise hits different because I can relate to the lyrics a lot.  But I can see why some ppl can't get into it.

 

Agree with what you said about Swan Song. You spilled !! It's incredible, it has such an atmosphere!! :true:


' I think I need to add that song, "Dealer ", where I'm just screaming my head off. People don't know what it sounds like when I yell. And I do yell.':scream:

And she finally did:gurl:

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