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3 hours ago, Arcadia said:

 

The problem I've noticed throughout the years on this forum is that users tend to put words into other user's mouths in heated discussions, so I think that's why you're getting a lot of backlash here. You made a lot of sense and I know your sadness words were taken out of context. There definitely are professional implications when it concerns a high profile pop star abandoning an essential 'tool' which greatly helps their music get further exposure.

 

Anyways, I agree with everything you said. You're not trying to be harsh - just realistic. :kiss:

This is all I've been reading in the last few pages. Then in the end, the same comments get upvoted over and over when they really have no relevance to the original comment that started it all because most of the post was ignored :smile4: 

 

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17 minutes ago, Rorman Nockwell said:

 

Honestly, if this is some sort of marketing strategy for the album release then I will find that - cue the outrage! - quite disingenuous on her part.

And if someone wants to disagree that's fine, but at least explain your (not @ you, Shady) opinion without being a dickhead.

ETA: for some reason I just got the notification for this quote and thought you just wrote this, mb

i'm almost certain that it is. i'm not saying the backlash she got from social media isn't a causal factor of her hiatus but the timing makes it look like there's more to it than just that. her use of 'we' (as in her team) in her last video is very telling too. it's very probable that she was thinking about leaving social media a long time ago (when the hate was at its peak) but her team only green lit it recently to further their own commercial ends, perhaps to achieve the 'prince-like level of mystery' the bbc article talked about. 

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3 hours ago, Rorman Nockwell said:

Honestly, if this is some sort of marketing strategy for the album release then I will find that - cue the outrage! - quite disingenuous on her part.


As a lot of us have said multiple times, social media isn’t really a good marketing strategy for an established artist. Lana is a household name at this point, she doesn’t need social media to market her albums. Word of mouth and the fact that there’s a “New Lana Del Rey album” is more than enough + inevitable Spotify and AM promo.
 

If she or her label were actually concerned about marketing, they’d have her booked on talk shows all thru the week of Oct. 17th. 
 

Also not sure what you mean by “disingenuous”? I don’t think deceit or dishonesty have anything to do with this situation at all. 


Feeling so Gatsby for that whole year.

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33 minutes ago, Mer said:


As a lot of us have said multiple times, social media isn’t really a good marketing strategy for an established artist. Lana is a household name at this point, she doesn’t need social media to market her albums. Word of mouth and the fact that there’s a “New Lana Del Rey album” is more than enough + inevitable Spotify and AM promo.
 

If she or her label were actually concerned about marketing, they’d have her booked on talk shows all thru the week of Oct. 17th. 
 

Also not sure what you mean by “disingenuous”? I don’t think deceit or dishonesty have anything to do with this situation at all. 

What I meant by that was that the departure video seemed very heartfelt and sincere so if she were to show up on album release day or whatever, it'd be a little suss 

And she doesn't need sm to promote but it certainly helps. 


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She was the answer to the "internet generation", most of her fans stream her music on spotify and apple music, she had more ig followers than Oprah, Arsenal London or Gisele Bündchen. So I think social media is more important than anything else for her.

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11 hours ago, Arcadia said:

 

No one is saying that

wasn’t talking directly abt this forum! too many people on twitter are being annoying about it, saying she was “forced” to delete it and pushing conspiracy theories and shit..

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16 hours ago, LanasRightCheekFiller said:

lana is not some independent artist who doesn't know what's best for her career. she has an entire label and a team of marketing and pr people managing her, even if it might not seem like it. if this was as unprofessional and as bad of a business move as everyone's making it seem, surely they wouldn't have green lit her social media hiatus. 

Honestly I don't think she really cares about her career like that anymore. She's already been successful, she's noted over the past ten years how unhappy she is with the fame (and obviously lately all the hate) and I think she's just had enough.

Since she's deleted her socials media, I've been feeling less like I can connect to her, and less obsessed over the new record, although I am still excited about having new music, but less in a 'stan' kind of way and I think that's what she wants. Someones else said it, but I don't think she wants stans anymore

If this hurts her career, drops sales, makes her lose fans, and pushes her more into obscurity then I think that's exactly what she was trying to do

 

And honestly that makes me feel pretty sad that this chapter is ending and that she doesn't even want this career anymore. I really wouldn't be surprised if she moved somewhere random and disappeared for a while. The only reason I could see her even keeping her record deal is because she does enjoy making music and working with producers and stuff.

But I think we need to stop thinking in this perspective that hurting her career, losing fans, and decreasing sales isn't exactly what she wants. :icant:

 

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Deleting social media before the release is the best form of revenge. She's about to release a very personally revealing album without being easily accessible to the general public for the first time in her career, and that's exactly what we deserve after the way she's been treated. I don't think it's going to harm the album's success, and I also don't agree at all with those who think it was unprofessional. It was incredibly warranted at this point, and will give her a much needed break to minimize the toxic noise of the internet, while also making a pretty pointed statement about the hate she's received.

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Maybe she/they want to test, how many people really like her music, without all the social media hype, promotion etc., like with the three singles dropped surprisingly in May with this unmotivated cover image ... It's very admirable that she wants to convince with her music only and nothing more.

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Lana runs the risk of losing all interest in her full product, it's happened to others before, example Lady Gaga. Gaga started to distance herself and naturally, people moved on. I don't think that Gaga will come back from it. And Lady Gaga was a much greater beast in the business than Lana. 

There's always someone new for the audience to discover and follow. I will always look for Lana's music, but that is because her music suits me more than anyone else these days. I would seek it out no matter the advertisement promotions. I also don't keep up with new artists and trends, so there's that. I am very specific.

Even small acts have social media and just post music related notes, concert dates and products, nothing personal and I guess they are happy with their limited success and audience. Lana was already kind of this category of artist, maybe a tiny bit higher, but not by much of a stretch and now she has stopped wanting to give that much.

No one but us knows about her album being about to drop in October.

 


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12 hours ago, Rorman Nockwell said:

What I meant by that was that the departure video seemed very heartfelt and sincere so if she were to show up on album release day or whatever, it'd be a little suss 

And she doesn't need sm to promote but it certainly helps. 

 

i think it's quite clear- not by her recent video, but by her choices the last 5 years of her career- that the last thing Lana wants is more promo. she would like to disappear and be as underground an artist as possible.

 

edit: oop someone litrally x just said this above me, my b

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i think everyone is reading too much into this. deleting social medias doesn't have to affect your sales/music so drastically like everyone is saying, yes we're in an era where social is the most common way to communicate with the public, but before they existed artists were able to sell and release music and be successful anyway. 

i also doubt she's going to quit music or disappear from the scene just cause she doesn't want instagram anymore lmao. she loves her job, she will continue to make music and release it with or without instagram. she'll be fine and so will everybody else lol (+ she probably has her private insta for family/friends anyway)


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2 hours ago, nowyoudo said:

Lana runs the risk of losing all interest in her full product, it's happened to others before, example Lady Gaga. Gaga started to distance herself and naturally, people moved on. I don't think that Gaga will come back from it. And Lady Gaga was a much greater beast in the business than Lana.

 

A) Lady Gaga took a hiatus because a heavily marketed and hyped album colossally bombed. Not because she just wanted to take a break. 

B) LDR isn't taking a hiatus, we can hopefully expect some more music videos/magazine shoots/etc. in October 

 

2 hours ago, nowyoudo said:

Even small acts have social media and just post music related notes, concert dates and products, nothing personal and I guess they are happy with their limited success and audience. Lana was already kind of this category of artist, maybe a tiny bit higher, but not by much of a stretch and now she has stopped wanting to give that much.

 

C) LDR is not a "tiny bit higher" than a "small act". 

 

2 hours ago, nowyoudo said:

No one but us knows about her album being about to drop in October.

 

D) This is nothing abnormal. 


Feeling so Gatsby for that whole year.

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3 hours ago, nowyoudo said:

Lana runs the risk of losing all interest in her full product, it's happened to others before, example Lady Gaga. Gaga started to distance herself and naturally, people moved on. I don't think that Gaga will come back from it. And Lady Gaga was a much greater beast in the business than Lana. 

There's always someone new for the audience to discover and follow. I will always look for Lana's music, but that is because her music suits me more than anyone else these days. I would seek it out no matter the advertisement promotions. I also don't keep up with new artists and trends, so there's that. I am very specific.

Even small acts have social media and just post music related notes, concert dates and products, nothing personal and I guess they are happy with their limited success and audience. Lana was already kind of this category of artist, maybe a tiny bit higher, but not by much of a stretch and now she has stopped wanting to give that much.

No one but us knows about her album is about to drop in October.

 

 

Mazzy Star is a dead band with no social media presence and still manages to have more monthly listeners than FKA Twiggs for example. If the music is good, people are going to listen

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43 minutes ago, BluebirdXO said:

 

Mazzy Star is a dead band with no social media presence and still manages to have more monthly listeners than FKA Twiggs for example. If the music is good, people are going to listen

They're from an time without the internet, though. People got on board with them and their music before it even existed so it's not the same

Lana has a different demographic and emerged during a very different time

We can all argue forever about whether or not this will have an impact but unless you're (not you specifically, Bluebird) a marketing or music industry expert then idk how anyone can be sure

It depends how long she's gone for, whether there are other forms of promotion, etc

I can't see her staying away for too long, however


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15 minutes ago, BluebirdXO said:

 

Mazzy Star is a dead band with no social media presence and still manages to have more monthly listeners than FKA Twiggs for example. If the music is good, people are going to listen

Mazzy Star is a band that defined a genre though. 


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16 minutes ago, BluebirdXO said:

 

Mazzy Star is a dead band with no social media presence and still manages to have more monthly listeners than FKA Twiggs for example. If the music is good, people are going to listen

 

exactly, if somebody produces great, quality music, people will listen regardless of their presence (although i will say, a big chunk of those monthly listeners are probably only listening to fade into you :toofunny:)

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I honestly think tumblr was the best social media to push her music forward. Lana didn't even have to try, but the sheer amount of interviews she did in 2011-2012 must have been the next best.

I don't think she'll ever get that same kind of attention from fans again, or that much of a boost to her career again. And please don't tell me she doesn't even want a boost. I know. I'm just reflecting on that period. 

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1 hour ago, Ultra Violet said:

I honestly think tumblr was the best social media to push her music forward. Lana didn't even have to try, but the sheer amount of interviews she did in 2011-2012 must have been the next best.

I don't think she'll ever get that same kind of attention from fans again, or that much of a boost to her career again. And please don't tell me she doesn't even want a boost. I know. I'm just reflecting on that period. 

 

Tiktoks with Lana's songs about every single thing appear on my fyp so it can be a good boost, only one person need to make a viral Tiktok. Songs by complete no name artists and bands can get over 50m views. As for Tumblr, I remember not being able to escape from Lana gifs back then. I was into a completely different style but I fell absolutely love into her entire image, vibe and aesthetic, it was so different than the hipster swag Brandy Melville style that was popular at the time. 


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