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What do you's think about the Superman movie? I haven't seen it yet but probably will soon. Many Pro-Israeli's seem offended. Bonus Thread Contribution

The person they were quoting didn't know though. They just answered the question. As for the missing poster, I'm not saying her editing "or Hispanic" out is inherently disparaging. It's just interesting she went out of her way to change that but nothing else - and now Traleon is using racial Hispanic stereotypes to deflect from their white idol's past race-related statements. Either way, I wanna hear thee biggest fan's speculated reasoning behind it

Thank you for sharing. I had no idea about this account or her saying that on Reddit. Since you brought up her thoughts on Hispanics and that comment being inappropriate... It was always peculiar to me how the only thing she changed about Amber Haggerman's story was "white or hispanic" to "white" Curious to hear Traleon's take on this, who already said there was nothing wrong and no real concern about the merchandise potentially being disrespectful to the brutally harmed little girl who never got justice. If that's how Ethel truly feels she should just be honest about it and make a new "apology" IMO.

She is. Every single post is written in third person from the perspective of a fan. If I was a celebrity being called out, I wouldn't hide under a fan account, I would just say it with my mouth. It would make her "apology" extremely insincere, since traleon is flat-out expressing the sentiment: nothing was ever a valid concern except the racism but even that is a non-issue because every white person and ESPECIALLY HISPANIC has said it. And if you've ever had an issue or been concerned with anything Ethel Cain has ever done, even the Amber Haggerman mockery, it's based on transphobia. The whole "She's being gangstalked by transphobes on kiwifarms (ethel doesn't have a thread) and lolcow who've been PLANNING her assassination and trying to make her kill herself", even implying her boyfriend's victim and people on LanaBoards are part of this organised ""smear campaign"" (which has just been people on social media digging into her not-so-hidden digital footprint and calling her out for doing questionable stuff)... Yeah, I think schizophrenia would be the right word.

If the profile is actually her and she's been hiding under a fake fan account just to passive-aggressively defend herself (on a forum primarily dedicated to a celebrity she doesn't like lolololol) to deflect from her sexual abuser boyfriend, it'd add another layer of schizophrenia / narcissism to those posts and whole new level of insincerity to her "apology" I'm not saying it 100% is and I avoided explicitly saying anything in case it's not, because it might not be. But would be funny if it was. (I will add that I suspected since post #1 on this thread and kinda referenced it on my status a few days ago). Kinda giving creepshowart if anyone has heard about that story...

The article is really interesting but also disturbing I wonder how much truth there is to it.

THM is a Discord server with 200 people. The Spotify "hack" (took place days after Ethel already got cancelled) was carried out by two transgender teenagers promoting discord chats they were members, not even admins of. I actually had nothing to do with it and do not condone what was written in the bio, but I do know it wasn't a genuine transphobic attack. From their own words they just don't like Ethel for what she's done and wanted to troll lol. If you stepped foot into the server instead of believing hearsay from disgruntled people (mostly Ethel stans who'll do anything to protect her image, even create faux "proof" of her racist past being fake) it's not a TERF server, nor a neo-nazi server, it has no relation to lolcow or kiwifarms, (upon inspection Ethel doesn't even have a KF thread and people were blaming that website too) or any of Ethel's exes, nobody is doxxing transwomen, all of these absurd claims being thrown around. The narrative that this entire "expose" was some highly coordinated attack by multiple groups of people who want to attack a transwoman for being trans is incorrect, and starting to sound like some form of schizophrenic paranoia. She got called out for dating a sexual predator and people began questioning her morals. It's just a controversial figure being called out for doing controversial things. With that out of the way, it's still not a smear campaign if none of what she's being called out for is false. People were presented with screenshots, images, even statements from Ethel's ex-friends backing things up and made up their own minds. Reducing her whole cancellation to transphobia and trying to find people to blame is intentionally manipulative but obviously I'm not going to change your mind. shrug

Where did I accuse her of drawing child pornography in that post? I'm being neutral here Oh I'm not here to argue about the ethics of it. But the altar boy does have the body of a little boy and most people who see that would think it is, especially given the context of it being an altar boy with priests. You said yourself it maybe wasn't the best idea. What I'm saying is that the average person being grossed out by the drawing (or "misunderstanding" it) isn't routed in transphobia like the user was trying to imply. For context, this is a drawing of the same character from a few months prior. Maybe it wasn't her intention, but the average person who sees this character would view it as a young child and be disturbed when seeing it portrayed in a highly sadistic, sexualised context. "Chibi" can already be translated to "small child", and altar boys are usually… (young) boys.

For something to fit the actual definition of a smear campaign, these things would need to be false. In this case, people merely pointed out publicly available information on what she's done and willingly put onto the internet. Usually when a celebrity does something controversial, other things get dug up, so it's not really surprising to me this would happen. In this case they were shared by a former fan who's... not transphobic, and it went viral? Focusing more on her own feelings rather than the people she hurt and chalking up valid concerns to "you're transphobic" in her apology, saying that people are out to make her kill herself (not true) is intentionally manipulative and it's clearly working. It's also disingenuous of users on here to claim nobody would have a problem with her "legalize incest" shirt, the shotacon-looking drawing or the Amber Haggerman mockery if a biological woman did it. Regarding the boyfriend from what I can remember, he (allegedly) threatened to kill the girl if she didn't have sex with him and kept revenge porn of his ex-girlfriends which he shared without consent. I saved the text screenshots posted by the person that back this up. My bad if that's not considered rape, but if true I feel like he's at least a sex pest

I remember Gracie covering American Teenager and Ethel saying she liked it

Oh I'm not here to argue about the ethics of it. But the altar boy does have the body of a little boy and most people who see that would think it is, especially given the context of it being an altar boy with priests. You said yourself it maybe wasn't the best idea. What I'm saying is that the average person being grossed out by the drawing (or "misunderstanding" it) isn't routed in transphobia like the user was trying to imply.

If we're talking post histories... why is every single one of your posts on this website just to defend Ethel Cain from controversies? I'm not sure if you actually read any of my posts, but please show me who started the alleged smear campaign. Because as mentioned above, which you conveniently chose to not address, the allegations that actually started this are from a real fan of Ethel's who happened to be a victim of her current boyfriend. This victim didn't say anything transphobic and showed genuine concern for Ethel's wellbeing + questioned why she's dating an abuser. Then the account that brought all the other controversies to light clearly states in bio they're not transphobic, has been telling people off for misgendering her, etc. There's no mention of "agp" (I don't even know what this means tbh) or "male perversion of femaleness" in any of these posts, nor mine, or anyone on this thread. The definition of a smear campaign is an effort to damage someone's reputation through the spread of false information. People are mostly mad about 1) racism 2) boyfriend 3) incest 4) Amber Haggerman. None of this is false and none of it is about transphobia, the average artist would be crucified (maybe even get 10x the backlash if they don't weaponise their identity) for any of these things. Lana got backlash for dating a Trump supporter, of course Ethel is going to get backlash for dating and standing by an alleged abuser. Yes, most people would call a cisgender artist who sings about wanting to be raped by their dad and wears a "legalize incest" shirt an incest fetishist. I would think Ethel was aware it would upset people when doing all of that. It's extremely disrespectful to imply the dozens of actual CSA incest victims (this includes transgender) are all transphobes and wouldn't have the same reaction if a cisgender artist was doing this. You can say they're reaching or being too sensitive, but her gender identity really has no correlation for the average person. A lot of people actually had no idea who Ethel was until that "debunking lies on Ethel Cain" thread @Party Favor was talking about went viral (made by a stan account) and didn't even know she was trans, even these people were weirded tf out.gif at their first introduction being the incest fetish shirt. The dog photo thing might be kind of a reach, but many of the other issues are valid. Especially the Amber Haggerman thing; if I was a member of Amber's family, I would be grossed out. I personally think it's disgusting to dismiss everything aside from racism as "not a real concern". You don't have to say she's an awful person but it's okay to admit she's done some insensitive at best things.

What I'm trying to say is that gender identity has nothing to do with this. The people who actually called out Ethel are not from any transphobic forums and haven't been harassing her for being trans. Anti-transgender voices have weighed in (because why wouldn't they), but that's not the foundation of what's been labeled a "smear campaign". It was misleading for Ethel to suggest otherwise. What actually kickstarted this whole "cancellation" was an alleged victim of Ethel's current boyfriend, who happened to be a fan, coming out on r/EthelCain and posting screenshots. I read their posts and they seemed to be from genuine concern. Maybe the topics were also discussed on transphobic forums, but the callout accounts on Twitter, namely @/herweirdsilas who originally posted everything haven't been transphobic at all. I think this particular one is even an ex-stan which is why they know so much. (also the unrelated Spotify hacker was some transgender teen K-pop stan trolling and promoting discord servers they were in, lol) Pulling the minority card and playing victim was a smart and calculated move though, because if you call out Ethel for doing anything immoral—even for defending and standing by the alleged-rapist boyfriend, which happened at the end of this statement—it'll be dismissed as bigotry and a "smear campaign" (no matter if it's true or not).

You forgot her photo with Jennifer Lawrence

Okay, the post could've been shortened or at least like… sorted into paragraphs… but I read the whole thing and they're actually right. It's rude to dismiss, especially if it's written by part of a minority group who Ethel made derogatory comments against. Ethel did paste her face onto a real-life missing girl's story (brutally raped and murdered) & sold as merch. She did make many racial comments as as an adult while aware it was wrong. She did draw an altar boy (with the body of a very young-looking boy) being raped by priests for her porn account. 1 month prior to that, she did retweet a tweet saying "Hayden loves little boys". She did wear a shirt that says "legalize incest" that she defended this year, & she did make a song about wanting her dad to rape her. She does have an extensively documented fascination with incest. Whether these things are excusable or not are up to interpretation (You don't have to cancel her trust I have my own controversial favs), but how can it be a "smear campaign" when this was all public digital footprint & Ethel admitted to mostly everything? Let alone a transphobic one, when the stuff she's being primarily called out for has nothing to do with being trans?