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But it is worth saying again so all good He has abused and assaulted so many people and he’s banned from basically half the countries in the world because of it Yet the Recording Academy sees fit to give him an award Clowntown

It’s honestly appalling that he still has a career The fact that the music industry seems to share this view that “enough time has passed” for him to be forgiven is appalling There is soooo much more than just the RiRi incident This man has no business having a recording deal or winning Grammys and anyone who voted for him is a scumbag

Tbh I’m most annoyed that Chris Brown won R&B album because abusers should not be given Grammys

It's not unusual for people to look for other reasons as to why someone might've won a Grammy, considering that having the best music isn't usually the reason someone wins a Grammy. That's not to say that it was a bad album or undeserving or any shit, I'm just saying that the Recording Academy is tokenistic and self-serving af, always has been, and Black artists (in particular) deserve better. I 100% agree with the bolded statement, though.

Scammys continue to scam Happy for Charli tho @bunoner wake up idiot

No!!!!

I’m sorry but I hope Billie doesn’t win AOTY I’m not interested in listening to another acceptance speech that consists of “omigosh you guyssssss hurr hurr I can’t believe it omigod wtfffffff lolzzzzz thank youuuu hehe omigoddddd”

Thriller If you were a type of shoe, which would you be (be as specific or as general as you like)?

Yeah I honestly don't know what he was trying to achieve by releasing this latest one It's such a convenient one-sided 6-minute conversation he's having. Also - he states very clearly that he doesn't like voice memos or texts, so why is he sending one that's 6 minutes long to her in the middle of the fucking night? I mean that's not a crime, but it's also like ... why didn't he just say, "hey I'll talk to you tomorrow/can you call me/I'll call you back" or something? They sounded like they were still on speaking terms at the time of this voice memo? Very few people are gonna pick up at 2am ...

Most sensible post in this entire thread 100% agree

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

Huh? My comment had fuck all to do with not believing men, or with believing women exclusively. It has to do with believing people (who are usually women) when they say this shit happens to them. ETA: but it applies to men, too. If a man comes forward and says a woman (or another man) did this to him, we should believe him.

You are really showing your arse here. I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact. The point isn't that women are good and men are bad. The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default. The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?" The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction. And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative. The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about. That is all.

If he intentionally said and did things that were inappropriate then yes, I consider him to be a predator. I believe this is (part of) what she is alleging he did?

Men never want these things to be about gender because it makes them look so bad. Unfortunately though, it IS about gender. Sexual harassment and assaults are overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women - not the other way around. And men always defend other men saying there needs to be "evidence", when anyone with a brain knows very well (as stated above) these things do not always fit into neat little boxes. Like, let's not pretend that there isn't a very obvious campaign to discredit her using the "she asked for it" narrative, for starters. Furthermore, it's about her gender because of the absolute misogyny being directed towards her: 1. No one is accusing Baldoni of being a bad father, but there are thousands of comments saying that Blake is a bad mother because of the way she pushes a child on a swing. 2. No one is saying that he "isn't attractive" (or making any negative reference to his appearance in general). Again, there are thousands of comments that are all, "I never liked her anyway/she isn't even pretty" type comments as if it's in any way relevant. 3. The misogyny against Taylor Swift also plays into this, because people are using Blake's friendship with her as "proof" that she's a bad person, because they don't like Taylor (again, because her music is bad/she isn't attractive/she ruined football). As I said - idk if this is worthy of a court case. But she says she felt uncomfortable and people don't get to negate that because they don't think she's a good actress or whatever. Yes. This. And that "bias" is comprised of blatant misogyny in many cases.

@jealous girl , @Mer and I were having a small discussion about this on the Movie thread and my stance is - BELIEVE WOMEN. People need to do better (I'm talking generally - mostly about people on socials) She is not the person in the wrong just because you don't like her as an actress or because you don't find her attractive or because she's friends with Taylor Swift or because you think she pushes a kid on a swing incorrectly (and therefore mustn't push her own children on a swing and is therefore a bad mother and a bad person). I've seen every justification under the sun for making her out to be some sort of demonic entity and him some sort of angel. I'm not saying she is perfect, but it's STUPID. Is all of this worthy of a lawsuit? I don't know because I don't have all the evidence. That's for a court to decide. All I know is that she says she was uncomfortable and no one has any right to tell her that she isn't allowed to feel that way. Importantly, she doesn't need evidence to feel that way. Predators often operate in ways where there IS no evidence so this exact scenario (demonisation of the victim) occurs This is why women do not speak out. As I said on the other thread, if Blake fkn Lively gets treated this way when she speaks up and says she was harassed and felt uncomfortable - what hope is there for ordinary women? (PS women don't speak about this shit for FUN or publicity or whatever the fuck. And we can all see, from Blake's treatment, why that's such a stupid suggestion) Fight me

Occasionally I like to contribute quality content to this thread You're welcome

You are soooo right I agree with everything you said (but especially the part about the "she asked for it" narrative) I think that's what making me angry - people trying to make this into a really public example of how women make up sexual assault and harassment allegations to smear innocent men instead of simply BELIEVING THE WOMAN when she says he was inappropriate and that she was uncomfortable. As I said - people are really using how she pushes a child on a swing to justify not believing her. And if someone as famous and powerful as Blake Lively gets treated like this, what hope is there for all other women? @Mer would like to hear your thoughts if you care to share; I know you've been following this too

The whole Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni thing is RIDICULOUS And by "ridiculous", I mean the conclusions people are jumping to Like that clip of Blake pushing the kid on the swing and under it were about 200 comments saying she was pushing the kid wrong. And according to them, she was pushing the kid wrong because she has four kids but the nanny raises her kids and she never pushes them on swings and that must be why she can't push the kid on the swing and THEREFORE she's the bad person in this situation. And one person even went into this very scientific analysis of how she was pushing the kid on the swing and it was all about physics and the size of the child and all this shit, and they're like "so THAT'S how you know she's never pushed a kid on a swing before" and tbh I've never thought that deeply about pushing a kid on a swing ever And then somehow it's also Taylor's fault because Taylor and Blake are friends And then I watched this other video where Blake and Justin are just walking around in a park (?) and she's pointing at stuff and gesturing with her arms and he's nodding, and you can't actually hear what they're saying but according to the losers in the comments, this is Blake telling Justin what to do and how dare she tell him how to direct his (bad) movie and all this shit WTF? People are honestly CRAZY You know and because she's standing there talking and laughing he couldn't POSSIBLY be predatory and she couldn't POSSIBLY be uncomfortable as if women don't act like this ALL THE TIME around predators to placate them The case hasn't even happened yet but everyone has just decided that she's making stuff up and he's an innocent angel. When are we, as a society, going to believe women when they say they feel threatened and uncomfortable? /end rant

I will give Donald credit if and when he can help end the war in Ukraine but I am 100% sure Vladimir doesn’t give a fuck about taxes or tariffs so he needs to come up with something else

Donald and Elon the cringe duo

@bunoner drive to Luton crown court immediately

that’s okay Lana herself gets nommed for stuff and then SNUBBED Congrats to the winners

Wow looks like everyone needs to go to the pharmacy and buy some fungal cream

If Shrimpy doesn’t win then I’m putting an athlete’s foot hex on everyone who didn’t vote for him jsyk