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help idk why my thing posted twice but wtv honestly real but that song has always been in the back of my mind, and i've always wanted to hear the full version

hey diva so like you should share how you got the full song xo hey diva so like you should share how you got the full song xo

God bless you kind soul

just listened to "there's something wrong with him" how beautiful, oh my God. I feel Ethel and Logan's storyline fits best with the song, but Jesus Christ, I need her to post the polished demo.

agreed but I still need her to feed me with some preachers trilogy lore and some vaude lore, cant wait for the day I get to see her books release

hayden if you really do lurk on here please come sing in columbus ohio or literally anywhere in ohio we need you mother

seeing this now and grieving </333 vacillator is absolutely beautiful, easily my fave song off perverts, minus the punish demo II. manifesting a kudzu release NEOW

I hope so I love that song with all my heart and soul, I need it injected in my veins and to fill my bone marrow

I need a nettles 30 minute version NOW

angel for posting this

can we all manifest another Ethel Cain tour where hayden comes to all our towns </3 she has never come to mine and it's a NEED

for some reason starvation creeps me out far more than ptolomea ever has. something about the imagery in my mind when listening to it makes me feel sick to my stomach, and that is an experience i've felt with few songs. maybe it's my own mind making it more creepy, but I think it's a beautiful and haunting song, and one of my faves. very yellowjackets core

you might be crazy babe

just now seeing this, but I only brought up the storybook as an example of something similar (not better or worse) that Melanie has done, and how people are still supporting Melanie after that. I wasn't trying to deflect from anything, and further in my post, I acknowledge that hayden's drawing is absolutely weird, and that we have to be willing to apply one's morals in any situation, not just certain ones. I apologize if my original posts were confusing, and I'm sure I could have worded things better, but I think if you're going to denounce one piece of media, you have to denounce other pieces of media that have similar themes or concepts (such as many parts of the crybaby project). I think both pieces are weird, and I am more than willing to say that Hayden has said and done some weird shit in the past, but I am also willing to apply those same opinions on other projects. My example of the storybook was not to defend or distract from Hayden, it was to show that there is a inferred bias between the two artist's fanbases. the drawing is absolutely inappropriate, and frankly, makes me uncomfortable, (but that truly is my opinion.) not trying to drag melanie's whole past into this, because honestly, I couldn't give two fucks about her. sorry if my previous comments were phrased weirdly, I'm not always confident in expressing my opinions, especially through text

this. I think the drawing isn't appropriate at all, and it's important to hold artists accountable to their pasts, but we also have to use context clues and critical thinking when mentioning things in the past. when Hayden posted the art, Hayden didn't have the platform she has today, and as Dark Angel said, it's a worthless battle to fight over the fictional age of the subject. people grow, and denounce a lot of things they do in the past, and whether Hayden chooses to is up to her. if the drawing is worth not supporting her as an artist to you as an individual, then that's okay! I just think some critical thinking is needed when approaching these subjects, and I see it up to every individual to determine whether they can look past their actions to appreciate the art an individual makes. but anyways, that's my take, and I think Dark Angel put this into a constructive perspective.

exactly... like let's look at the crybaby coloring book compared to punish. one is a near fetishization of kids, while one is an interpretation of a case, with actual storytelling. Hayden has had her moments, and nobody is denying that. but this nitpicking and "cancellations" oftentimes seem like either misinterpretations of work or a lack of critical thinking and use of context clues. we can acknowledge that someone created something out of touch or insensitive, but you have to be willing to do that for everyone, not just certain people. otherwise, you don't really care about the topic and the portrayal of uncomfortable topics. we can also recognize that Hayden was a lot younger, while some things that Melanie has done in recent years has been while she's a grown woman. nobody can critique someone's footprint while defending another individual's content, or else you don't truly get offended by it.

it's absolutely insane. if i'm a fan of someone, I want them to be successful while people are still characterizing the artist correctly and appreciating their music as it is, and not trying to bring them down. it's not hard to support a rising artist and be thankful that their work is being shared, as long as the message of the art is still intact (which is something Hayden has critiqued fervently).

girl, let's use our context clues! it was an original character, the character was of age, and there are people drawing a lot worse on Twitter, and nobody is calling them out. also babes, idk if you think sycophant means what you think it means- it's literally someone who is trying to appeal to someone with more status so they themselves can gain more advantages. how would she be a sycophant

I feel like people are so quick to jump onto shit that she said so long ago bc she's starting to become more mainstream and they think this is the best way to "gatekeep" her. like hun no.. I don't wanna know the shit you were posting when you were 15 (which let's be honest, was like 6 months ago), because I'm sure it wasn't much better than the shitposting Hayden was engaging in

I need Ethel Cain to cover all of natural born losers right neow.

can we talk about how HAUNTING fear no plague is?? like that song makes me shiver, sob, throw up. her vocals on there are amazing, I need that song to play as i'm lowered into my grave

perverts is easily one of my top albums ever, such a hauntingly beautiful piece. vacillator easily makes me cry

hey doves <3 i'm new here, but i'm happy to meet people who are into some similar things fave ethel song has to be western nights currently ♡