IanadeIrey 61,970 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, plastiscguy said: Let's remember Jack wanted to do more with Chemtrails, but ultimately Lana made him go for more of a stripped down route. It’s actually the opposite 💀 Lana told Annie Mac that she “really really wanted more from Jack” and said elsewhere that she encouraged Jack to go “wilder” with the production (which I guess certainly doesn’t help lessen the often unwarranted hate for Jack here lol) - but I guess it might have been difficult to be on the same page since they were apart as Chemtrails was being finalized during the early pandemic (Lana in LA and Jack in NY). 14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plastiscguy 63,431 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, IanadeIrey said: It’s actually the opposite 💀 Lana told Annie Mac that she “really really wanted more from Jack” and kept encouraging Jack to go “wilder” with the production (which I guess certainly doesn’t help lessen the often unwarranted hate for Jack here lol) - but I guess it might have been difficult to be on the same page since they were apart as Chemtrails was being finalized during the early pandemic (Lana in LA and Jack in NY). Oh, mess! Then let me go back to the Jack hate-train 8 Quote My rose garden dreams set on fire by fiends... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rust Dress 40,174 Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, IanadeIrey said: It’s actually the opposite 💀 Lana told Annie Mac that she “really really wanted more from Jack” and said elsewhere that she encouraged Jack to go “wilder” with the production (which I guess certainly doesn’t help lessen the often unwarranted hate for Jack here lol) - but I guess it might have been difficult to be on the same page since they were apart as Chemtrails was being finalized during the early pandemic (Lana in LA and Jack in NY). oh wait really? should i hop on the jack-hate train… 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lasso 13,194 Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, plastiscguy said: I think Drew is okay. Most of his work with Lana is either hit or miss but at the same time, I'm not sure if it's really his fault? Let's remember Jack wanted to do more with Chemtrails, but ultimately Lana made him go for more of a stripped down route. idc, your remix of Chemtrails is amazing. I get goosebumps every time I listen to it, I barely listen to the original version now 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanadeIrey 61,970 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, cinnamongirI said: oh wait really? should i hop on the jack-hate train… Yes, that’s what she said! Hop on whatever train you’d like 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the ocean 67,597 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, IanadeIrey said: It’s actually the opposite 💀 Lana told Annie Mac that she “really really wanted more from Jack” and said elsewhere that she encouraged Jack to go “wilder” with the production (which I guess certainly doesn’t help lessen the often unwarranted hate for Jack here lol) - but I guess it might have been difficult to be on the same page since they were apart as Chemtrails was being finalized during the early pandemic (Lana in LA and Jack in NY). tbh considering my opinion on NFR i'm lowkey glad he restrained himself for COCC because it's better but let's not get into that in this thread 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
For K 9,171 Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, honeymoonwhore said: idc, your remix of Chemtrails is amazing. I get goosebumps every time I listen to it, I barely listen to the original version now Wait does anybody have a link to this now I'm curious. 2 Quote "Baby you my Bugsy Malone and I'm your Suicide Blonde" last.fm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lasso 13,194 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, For K said: Wait does anybody have a link to this now I'm curious. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plastiscguy 63,431 Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, honeymoonwhore said: idc, your remix of Chemtrails is amazing. I get goosebumps every time I listen to it, I barely listen to the original version now omg thx sjsnsbs 6 Quote My rose garden dreams set on fire by fiends... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cranekiss 9,728 Posted January 9, 2023 @plastiscguy your remix of chemtrails makes it one of her best songs i am being deadass, do you have like download links to all/most of your edits 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
For K 9,171 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, honeymoonwhore said: I've only heard the first minute so far and my body just raised three feet off of my bed 6 Quote "Baby you my Bugsy Malone and I'm your Suicide Blonde" last.fm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the ocean 67,597 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, honeymoonwhore said: oh wow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrenceszyou 1,327 Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, plastiscguy said: omg thx sjsnsbs I already said this once, but the live version you did for Fine China is amazing. It's just a few elements and it's not over the top, but it's improved the song so much. The guitars in the chorus are great. Thanks! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venice Peach 54,289 Posted January 9, 2023 Beautiful was whatever but Arcadia and specially IYLDWM were amazing. I'm a proud Drew stan He also arranges for FJM and they nail it every time. I think the problem with Beautiful is that Drew works better when doing full orchestras (or at least some strings) so a lone piano didn't let him shine (even though the tinkling was pretty). 18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venice Peach 54,289 Posted January 9, 2023 I think people hate Drew cause they associate him with Beautiful but the Picasso line came from Lana and the problems in sound came from the audio engineers. All he did was play the piano he didn't mix it 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleredpartydress 49,862 Posted January 9, 2023 Tbh let’s be fair to Mr Drew the biggest problem with Beautiful is the lyrics and honestly her delivery that’s the one song in her discography where I actually find myself actively annoyed at the vocals the “what is someone had AAAAAAAsked Picasso not to be SAAAAAAAAd” part is just awful I think he will do better on a better written song also it sounded like it was mixed on a high school calculator 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anwdelrey 9,268 Posted January 9, 2023 The Jack hate is the result of fans wanting to blame someone for Lana’s shift toward more lyrically ambitious and less reverb heavy/dream-pop music. But the truth is Jack is a great producer, especially with Lana. His production can become redundant at times but not so much with Lana. Drew on the other hand… something stinks! No but seriously I think their collaboration was the result of Jack having a crazy schedule and Lana needing to find someone quickly. I didn’t like his production on BB and whoever does the mixing for their tracks… 5 minutes ago, littleredpartydress said: Tbh let’s be fair to Mr Drew the biggest problem with Beautiful is the lyrics and honestly her delivery that’s the one song in her discography where I actually find myself actively annoyed at the vocals the “what is someone had AAAAAAAsked Picasso not to be SAAAAAAAAd” part is just awful I think he will do better on a better written song also it sounded like it was mixed on a high school calculator No the WORST PART is the delivery of the Beautiful lines… she was at her lowest. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted Member 23,727 Posted January 9, 2023 jack discourse again so i’m just gonna say it again as well, i don’t understand any of the hate! not even on the mixing, which i’ve seen people criticize too. there’s not a single lana+jack song besides one that i listen to the instrumental of and think “oh this is bad”. other than that awful out of place beat that was added to How to Disappear, the only complaints with some of the songs he’s worked on actually stem from lana herself, like the melodies (which she writes) are boring or drag on. but i don’t have a single complaint about any of his production or mixing choices besides HTD 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingertips 72,034 Posted January 9, 2023 Yeah, whoever mixed Drew's tracks on Blue Banisters needs to be fired. I can barely hear Arcadia on any system that isn't my car listening to the CD or headphones Aux? I have to turn that shit all the way up to even hear anything. Never happened with any Lana song before Blue Banisters 4 Quote "You can't be a muse and be happy, too. You can't blacken the pages with Russian poetry and be happy." - Blue Banisters Quote I asked Asmodeus (the demon of lust) to make Miley Cyrus suffer. I am not happy with these new developments. After Miley rips off Lana's aesthetic, she bullies Lana into changing her release date. It is infuriating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Get Drunk 17,957 Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, lilac heaven said: jack discourse again so i’m just gonna say it again as well, i don’t understand any of the hate! not even on the mixing, which i’ve seen people criticize too. there’s not a single lana+jack song besides one that i listen to the instrumental to and think “oh this is bad”. besides that awful out of place beat that was added to How to Disappear, the only complaints with some of the songs he’s worked on actually stem from lana herself, like the melodies (which she writes) are boring or drag on. but i don’t have a single complaint about any of his production or mixing choices besides HTD I think seriously that you can’t listen to California and think the issue is the melody. It’s a gorgeous melody, gorgeous instruments, but the mixing is off. It feels like there’s a dampener on it that just stops it building. I can’t explain it but California in my eyes should’ve been her best song and unfortunately the production on it just ruins it. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites