baddisease Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 lmao she literally has a song called 'ghetto baby' and you're all only just clocking her for using it in a song... it's problematic but you all never commented on it before Context. The reason they commented on it is bc people are assuming it's about AB because of the "ghetto" line. x_x I doubt the song is at all about her, but if it was about her and she was calling her ghetto, that would be fucked up. 1 Quote
KillKillQueen Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 But the thing is white people aren't oppressing anyone. Yes some people who happen to be white people are, but to say that as a whole group we all share the same idea is silly. Did you just deny the existence of systematic racism? 14 Quote
SuperMegaStan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 to those who still think this is racism: Definition 1: an area of a city, especially a very poor area, where people of a particular race or religion live closely together and apart from other people: Definition 2: in the past, an area of a city where Jews were made to live Definition 3: a part of society or group that is in some way divided from the main part and here, the meaning of "You're so ghetto" is probably similar to "You're an outcast, a misfit, who is tragically unfitting in your group/society" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ghetto plus, Elvis has a song called "In the Ghetto" addressing social mobility and poverty issues. and how come we have this RACE talk again 7 Quote
Coney Island King Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 anyone here not give two fucks what its about? my bussy doesn't care, it just needs it and wants it daily x 8 Quote
Tristesse Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 *insert "well I love drama gif"* 0 Quote
Antalaja Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 to those who still think this is racism: Definition 1: an area of a city, especially a very poor area, where people of a particular race or religion live closely together and apart from other people: Definition 2: in the past, an area of a city where Jews were made to live Definition 3: a part of society or group that is in some way divided from the main part and here, the meaning of "You're so ghetto" is probably similar to "You're an outcast, a misfit, who is tragically unfitting in your group/society" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ghetto plus, Elvis has a song called "In the Ghetto" addressing social mobility and poverty issues. and how come we have this RACE talk again Totally agree! think Lana used "ghetto" by the third definition. I don't understand he whole problem with racism etc. 4 Quote
COLACNT Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 re: 'ghetto' the tinfoil tooth from her leftover chicken cacciatore says hi 19 Quote
Atom Heart Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 or people can stop seeing the differences between eachother and realize that incorporating other cultures in art/everyday life is truly stating ones passion for difference. It's getting real fucking old with the "ur white u can't wear this" or "ur black u can't wear that" um last time I checked we were all going forward as human beings and not closing ourselves off to little groups that reserve specific things? I mean the way you differentiate people like that makes you the racist for wanting to keep the "we'll never be the same" mindset alive. tsk tsk For items of cultural significance such as war bonnets some white bitch prancing around because of her aesthetic is OFFENSIVE. And Lana deserved to get her ass handed to her for that. 7 Quote
Atom Heart Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 sorry but no.. cultural appropriation and saying the word ghetto are two very different things... plus what if the person was literally from a ghetto? what if they described themselves as ghetto to her? like u don't know ALSO .. for cultural appropriation to be a thing.. i really feel like it should be when a culture as a whole says its okay for them to use another race/ethnicity's culture but then oppress the people BUT if you're going to be calling a person specifically out for cultural appropriation.. they have to have taken a minorities culture and actually oppress that minority... as far as i know lana del rey actually fucking worked/did some kind of service on indian reservations.. so how is she oppressing the people whilst embracing the cultural headress ...if she's not actually oppressing any? JUST CURIOUS .. i get it .. its kinda fuking rude to just nab someones sacred garment for ur music video but.. she wasn't really oppressing anyone... If you think Lana did all of that community outreach in Native American reservations yet can't provide sufficient proof of them existing, you're totally wrong. And yes each feather of the war bonnet is given to the warrior for a heroic deed within their community, Lana didn't earn anything by fighting in a war, being an elder or anything like that...lol. 3 Quote
graham4anything Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I would have sworn it was about her friend Stefani 2 Quote Lana is our modern day Edith Piaf. Totally unique. a mixture of Brian WIlson Roy Orbison, Leonard Cohen, Gram Parsons, Elton & Bernie. Born to Die/Paradise is comparable to Elton's Captain Fantastic. All the records need to be listened whole. Waiting for a box set vinyl of all 400 songs not on any lp
renaissance Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 how anyone ever thought art deco was a negative song is beside me. i feel like this was written around the time azealia was standing up for lana? 1 Quote
analwinterofmylife Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 If you think Lana did all of that community outreach in Native American reservations yet can't provide sufficient proof of them existing, you're totally wrong. And yes each feather of the war bonnet is given to the warrior for a heroic deed within their community, Lana didn't earn anything by fighting in a war, being an elder or anything like that...lol. Still to say Lana is oppressing EVERY or even Any Native American ...? That's all I'm really arguing with. You're totally right it was offensive and rude for her to wear it. I've said it to many people. I've imagined it myself being part of a culture where I had to earn that, and then to just see some random white chick wearing it for no real reason in a music video would piss me off. 1 Quote Instagram: pxpi_gringo
Atom Heart Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Still to say Lana is oppressing EVERY or even Any Native American ...? That's all I'm really arguing with. You're totally right it was offensive and rude for her to wear it. I've said it to many people. I've imagined it myself being part of a culture where I had to earn that, and then to just see some random white chick wearing it for no real reason in a music video would piss me off.Oppression doesn't have to be targeting at anyone specifically but the people of that culture were clearly not having it whatsoever. 1 Quote
ZeroZero Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 For items of cultural significance such as war bonnets some white bitch prancing around because of her aesthetic is OFFENSIVE. And Lana deserved to get her ass handed to her for that. um she represented it at a symbol of freedom in the video? You make it sound like she threw it on the ground, stomped it, set it on fire and then threw it in a lake. Their culture is based upon equality and love. I'm not so sure they'd be mad about some white girl giving her respect towards them. 5 Quote
analwinterofmylife Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Oppression doesn't have to be targeting at anyone specifically but the people of that culture were clearly not having it whatsoever. well.. i mean this is pointless because this already happened anyways nothing any of us can do to change it.. hopefully lana learned from the situation. but i feel like i partly agree with you, what she did was thoughtless asf. 1 Quote Instagram: pxpi_gringo
analwinterofmylife Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 why are we even discussing the ride issue... i know i joined in the discussion but i regret it now lol .. this is supposed to be about art deco fml 4 Quote Instagram: pxpi_gringo
PrettyBaby Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Is the "you're so ghetto" line problematic? I think it's really hard to say without knowing who it's about. But I think the evidence that it's about Azealia Banks is really thin so far. Maybe "questionable" is a better description when (otherwise) reasonable people may disagree about whether it is problematic? 0 Quote
ZeroZero Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Did you just deny the existence of systematic racism? Did you just proclaim all white people are racist 4 Quote
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