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it's not our fault she's damn stupid, what the fuck was she thinking filming looters AND zooming in on them?! RT a fucking insta story or, idk, MLK quote, post a donation link & call it a day!! don't make a post for ~the aesthetic, well intentioned as it may be, especially one where you don't even blur out protesters' faces! i'm actually shocked at her idiocy, goddamn.

true, EXCEPT brazil has always dealt with racism-motivated police brutality problems of their own: this happened not even 2 weeks ago & is definitely not a one-off event. so that user acting brand new isn't fooling anyone. cops are cops no matter which country they're in.

can u pls link me to her ig? i don't follow any of her friends lmao. also, YIKES.

i get your sentiment, but i'm afraid it's based on a fundamental misunderstand of what cops as an entire class are. they're the enforcers of state-sanctioned violence/oppression and their unchecked power is based on a collective and individual refusal to acknowledge their own wrongdoings. policemen who try to speak up are usually silenced one way or another and, much like the military, they're trained to show solidarity to their own above all else. it's what ACAB as an ideology stems from. i'd be surprised - and i mean VERY surprised - if he did speak up.

if she were a politician i wouldn't be expecting anything, i would be demanding it: a clear statement & immediate action, to be precise. that's absolutely not what anyone's expecting from lana. let's not pretend like we, who regularly frequent lb, don't care more abt lana than on a strictly musical basis. after all, i've never spent my time on any other artist's message board reading abt how their music relates to their presumed relationships, so i'm obviously not checking or care whether those other artists posted abt this issue or not. i care in lana's case, which is why i'm here. if you don't care abt her stance on fundamental issues, that's your prerogative, but don't act like that's where the rest of us should draw the line.

they're right. she doesn't need to write a personal post - in fact, it's better if she doesn't. this isn't about her. RT posts written by black people & posting donation links would be more than enough. it's not even *just* about making her stance clear in this literal "with us or against us" moment, but abt using a huge public platform to amplify black voices & thus actually help the movement. and i can't @ people here justifying her silence with "she's taking a social media break" & "but people would just criticize her more". if indeed that's the reason, do you realize how selfish that makes her? that she's just out there sulking via social media blackout & putting her own feelings above human rights?

she is, but if she says nothing, then she looks really bad bc it raises all sorts of questions: is she not posting anything bc she's just afraid of more backlash AKA she cares more abt her own feelings/reputation than abt police brutality & the state sanctioned murder of yet another black man? OR does she only care abt injustices when they directly affect her, and in those cases she's evidently not afraid of doubling down on her own controversial opinions? OR does she just not care bc what's happening is so remote to her & her white bougie lifestyle? OR is she taking a page out of the taylor swift book (the outdated one, bc even taylor's changed her ways) & decided to remain "neutral" and apolitical to not risk alienating potential listeners? OR, even worse, is she a "both sides" #alllivesmater type who's afraid of offending some sensibilities, namely those of her cop ex-bf & maybe other people they/she hung out with? so as you see, staying silent is BY FAR the worst decision she could make rn.

i have conflicting feelings over this. on one hand, nowadays it's almost like, if you write a tweet or make an insta story about it, you're good. as if that requires any sort of effort or means the celeb in question is actually spending time thinking - let alone acting - on the injustice they just briefly mentioned on social media beyond the time it took them to write or RT the post. i believe that it's virtue signalling more than anything else. on the other hand, these people have huge platforms and the very least they can do is be clear about their stance, even if it's a surface level one. so i tend to think that yeah, even though social media posts are basically meaningless, saying nothing is the worst option. re: lana, i'm not holding my breath. she's an out-of-touch rich white woman who just dated a cop & self-professedly still believes that there's such a thing as "good cops", so. if she doesn't say anything, i'll hold it against her especially after her tone-deaf comments, but if she does i'll honestly just shrug.

lana is confident - almost arrogant - enough about her art that she can't take any sort of criticism that isn't lavish praise & immediately interprets any as unjustified hate. now, to be clear, i think that sort of blind confidence in your vision is an extremely positive trait for any artist to have: you express what you want, how you want to, in your own terms alone & damn everyone else. the problem or contradiction with her is that she still very much craves approval and mainstream success, so despite all that confidence in her own voice there's still a lot of underlying insecurity. if she doesn't want to be tormented all her life, she needs to pick one: either she goes the lou reed route of openly hating critics & believing they serve no purpose whatsoever in art other than gatekeeping and/or spoon-feeding to the masses, so she just ignores and laughs at positive and negative reviews both, OR she has to accept that if she wants to play the music industry game she'll always get love, hate & everything in between bc different people will *always* interpret the same things differently, whether that be your music, your poetry, or yourself as a person/persona. this applies to how she receives music criticism rather than criticism on her present tone deafness, but imo this is the underlying issue & applies here too. re: this situation, she can choose to be the messy artist that says whatever the hell she wants, fucks up publicly & doesn't care about the consequences à la courtney love & yes, azealia banks, OR she can choose to have the humility to stfu, listen & apologize (either sincerely or not, bc sincerity is frankly beside the point in this game) but again, she needs to pick one bc she can't have it both ways.

not to be the one beating a dead horse this time, but i just spent about an hour reading ONTD, LSA & twitter comments (yeah i played myself, but i was bored) & damn, the schadenfreude is palpable and the hatred truly disproportionate. not to say a lot of the criticism isn't legitimate, but the whole thing has veered into an excuse to tear an already previously disliked woman down. i hope that video really is the last we'll hear of this whole drama for a good while, because she's only made things worse with each new post. i also hope she's staying tf out of the internet for her own mental health's sake; i'm sure there'll be a time to learn from all of this, but that time sure as hell isn't right now.

"She’s great, but I listened to that Lana Del Rey record and the whole time I was just thinking it’s so unhealthy for young girls to be listening to, you know: 'I’m nothing without you.' This sort of shirt-tugging, desperate, don’t leave me stuff. That’s not a good thing for young girls, even young people, to hear." --- "What really got me is this ridiculous, unrelatable, unattainable opulence that runs throughout. Lana Del Rey is always singing about being in the Hamptons or driving her Bugatti Veyron or whatever, and at the time, me and my friends were at some house party worrying how to get home because we couldn't afford a cab. This is our reality."

pls someone tell me that title is just referential & that she's not a chemtrail truther..........................................

sylvia and marilyn are obvious, but who are violet & diana? like, lady di? the goddess?

i was thinking about this today, kinda. in my view the israel thing was infinitely worse & didn't get anywhere near the backlash this did. personally, it was the closest i ever got to unstanning her (and by this i mean downright stop listening to her music) - and tbh if she hadn't canceled the show, even if she did so with a lame ass excuse, i probably would've. not to say she didn't do/say anything wrong this time, but ultimately the victims/targets of her ignorance and tone deafness here are rich, famous, successful women. in the israel debacle she showed a total disregard for the lives of oppressed, colonized, poor civilians & an unwillingness to listen to those who tried to explain to her why it was wrong to perform there. this is not an invitation to discuss the israel-palestine conflict, btw. i've learned my lesson re: discussing politics on lb. my point is that this goes to show how hypocritical and performative a lot of these concerned responses are, how people care so very much when it's a pop culture matter & someone they idolize is being targeted, but not when it affects regular brown people dying in another continent.

okay, going OT for a sec just to clarify this hilary duff thing bc i'm seeing people throwing v serious accusations around lightly based on not a whole lot ok pls don't reply to this here so as to not derail this thread.

this is actually funny tho (and true). "i contain multitudes" realness.

lol irl @ people who wanted her to just apologize. at this point, 1. no one would believe her & her apology would be deemed insincere (which, after all those posts/comments, it obviously would be) and 2. she would come across as weak and flip-floppy. there's a lot wrong with what she said & especially how she said it which mostly reveals how out of touch she is with progressive internet culture & especially with intersectionality and feminist theory (like, 3rd wave of feminism? oh honey), but it's disingenuous to pretend there's not a whole lot of projected meaning being attributed to her posts, or that there's not a fair amount of schadenfreude on social media rn re: the age old american tradition of watching a successful woman be knocked off her pedestal. i'm glad she didn't apologize or back down now. i hope she will be able to address this whole thing in a future interview, in a couple weeks or months from now, hopefully with an interviewer she trusts, and is able to properly explain herself & then admit her mistakes re: minimizing the struggles of black women artists (even if unintentionally) and using coded language. i hope she's able to genuinely learn from this and realize that, as a white person, racism is something you have to actively unlearn & simply saying/believing yourself to not be racist is not enough, that you have to be willing to listen to poc and accept your ignorance and internalized racism, even when you thought your original point had nothing to do with race & you never intended it as such. right now it's too hard to make the distinction between all the yes people in her life, malicious and vicious attacks, and fair criticism. i hope time allows her to take a step back and truly listen.

it's not so much a direct correlation or inspiration issue, but lana created both an industry & gp market for a certain kind of ~alternative packaged but still very much mainstream / pop oriented whispercore darkpop women singers~, that's undeniable. not to say that these things didn't previously exist (see: mazzy star, fiona apple, the entire shoegaze genre) but their audience was very different & the mainstream appeal almost non-existent beyond a hit song or two.

is courtney love the one advising her right now, or???

tbh the fact that this has been the #1 worldwide trending topic on twitter for almost an entire day is blowing my mind. like, we all know that was phrased clumsily af but at this point she's being intentionally misconstrued & a lot of the meaning/intent being attributed to her post is projected. there's also a pretty big gap between the severity of what was said & the magnitude/duration of the backlash. the (some malicious) think pieces are already piling up, so i think our girl both streisanded herself and proved her own point. personally, at this point i hope she doesn't delete / apologize / explain. edit: welp.

while i stand by my previous post, i wanna add something: a far better point for lana to have made is that men's music/lyrical content/image have never been nowhere near as scrutinized and judged as women's are, and most of her negative, misconstrued & sometimes even downright misogynistic press - as those of us who are old enough to this fandom to remember hipster runoff know - has been written by men. they're also still the gatekeepers of the industry, so even if her post has to do with women & their freedom (or lack thereof) to create whatever they want while still being considered "serious artists", naming other women was actually beside the point. after all, there's a reason why her music (and most of the artists she mentioned) appeals almost exclusively to women and gay men. also, and without getting too ~lb resident armchair psychologist~ here, this post is symptomatic of her issues with other women/womanhood in general. her inability to downright call herself a feminist & instead having to resort to a double negative is pretty telling; she went from daddy's girl to guy's girl to daddy's girl again (but now the other kind) and only recently did she start hanging out with girl friends in a significant & seemingly healthier way. she's definitely made progress, but more than racism/ignorance i think she still has a lot of unresolved internalized misogyny issues she needs to work on.

she said what she said. tbh if i were her i would just log tf out of social media for a whole week and let everyone battle it out among themselves while i kept picking flowers & eating ripe fruit & sunbathing. while there's def some ignorance re: the struggles of poc musicians throughout the decades in her casual naming dropping of some of those artists, it's disingenuous to read her first paragraph as racist; she basically just picked the most famous/successful female artists rn, most if not all also artists she's friendly with and/or a fan of. the entire point of her post is that women should be able to write & sing about whatever the fuck they want without being shamed for doing so, so turning that single paragraph into world wide stan wars™️ is pretty damn sad.

this new mv with megan fox reminded me: we never did hear about machine gun kelly's collab(s?) with lana ever again, i mean beyond that little snippet she posted on ig, did we?

yeah but if you don't know what you're doing / which brands to pick you can thoroughly fuck up your hair color & texture, speaking from personal experience. i've def been on the "box dye never again" train ever since. anyway, her hair looks cute but tbh i def think she looks better & more striking as a brunette, imo blonde washes her out.

just read a few pages back itt and wow, are people really getting offended by this or acting like she did this unforgivable thing?! first of all, we are getting the subtext behind those posts bc we're all over every single intimate detail of lana's life (i very much doubt non stans are even picking up on the implications of what she posted) yet now we're acting like she's being uncouth bc she decided to show some vulnerability & make a more personal post? also, her own history aside, i think the written post was a rather nice one, telling people with complicated relationships with their mothers / motherhood that they're seen on a day that tends to forget about them.