Foxglove

why my shit getting deleted? in case Lana sees and decides to actually educate herself? or gets mad because she's getting called out for being ignorant? LANA - your best move here is to recognize your privilege, grow up, and actually advocate for anyone besides yourself as well as yourself. be a feminist, not not not a feminist. be anti-racist. give a fuck. or, you know, dont get mad when people say youre full of shit. because you are. (just in case LAna's reading)

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just wnna bring this back for a sec to say i told you so to all the sycophants. that being said, cant wait for the new album lel

idk i read her statement not as overtly racist but not really recognizing how her own privilege, as a wealthy white woman in america, played into it. she has done and said racist stuff in the past. even very recently. i posted whole things on lanaboards months ago about her blindness to racial dynamics in her 3 part video throwing shit at cops and laughing with no fear of being shot and killed. compare that to beyonce making a video with powerful statements about Black resilience in the face of racist policing and police brutality and getting a bunch of republicans talking about lynching her or how shes "anti american" or some shit. she wore a headdress in the Ride video while saying "i believe in the place america used to be" (presumably referring to... idk the '70s? def not pre-colonialism). she dated a TV cop who engaged in racial profiling on his stupid tv show and said hes "one of the good ones"..... there's a precedent for people thinking she's ignorant and blind to the racial subtext of the shit she puts out. i think Lana specifically referencing mostly Black women - then proceeding into an angry post ab the backlash she's gotten - reads as her slating those artists as her competition, or not getting backlash, or having advantages over her or whatever. which would be dismissing those artists experiences. re-reading it, i can see how possibly she didn't mean it like that. but i dont think its insanity for people to read the subtext of a white woman complaining that these (more) popular Black artists are more successful than her or not as attacked as her or something. she really made it sound like that. i also think its an incredibly white privilege-y thing to say "oh well this definitely isnt about race." i think race dynamics play a much larger role in society than a lot of white people are willing to acknowledge. part of what's interesting about this generation is how these issues ARE coming into the mainstream consciousness more. and i think Lana, if she wants to be taken seriously like she says, should pay more attention to that. idk, is she not not racist or not not anti-racist? BEYOND the race thing, her whole point is that she wasn't glamorizing abuse. WHY then, has she recently done things such as stop singing "Cola" bc of how it glamorizes a Harvey Weinstein-esque predatory relationship or "he hit me and it felt like a kiss"? she clearly thinks those things are problematic. i think its possible Lana has faced abusive or exploitative scenarios and relationships in her life, if her music is to be taken as autobiographical to some extent. she literally started out singing about Lolita relating the story to herself. which is straight up about an underage girl being abused and exploited by a narcissistic older man. she may not be glamorizing it. and i dont think acknowledging the reality of those dynamics is bad. but she could use her story as a way to advocate for women instead of being "not not a feminist."

M.I.A. 100% hands down. and MIA actually stands for stuff that matters, made way more innovative music, had way more people try to rip off her art, and still gets paid dust. M.I.A. cannot sneeze without backlash tbh i agree and i dont think she was intending to harm. but shes been in the game for almost 10 years. she has got to know people are gonna spin a huge deal out of literally anything she does. i fully support her speaking her mind and expressing herself however she wants. i dont think she ever should cave for what the industry or critic wants from her. but that comes with an amount of backlash, so i hope she figures out a way to deal with the backlash better. even if its jsut ignoring it. she has made wonderful art that so many people adore. just because someone drags her in a blog post or whatever shouldnt negate that. i just hope she can find peace with maybe being an underground icon who doesnt have to be everyone's taste

agreed but she has always had so many people who love her too. its like thats not good enough for her or something. idk maybe she never wanted to be adored by gays and depressed people so she doesnt care what we think. i just dont get why she leans into the hate she gets. it would be upsetting for anyone, but even like Beyonce received a ton of hate and responds by ... not responding. not giving bullshit more air to breathe.

honestly i hope Lana goes scorched Earth. i think she is tone deaf, full of privileged ignorance, and pretty foolish to be intentionally calling in this sort of shit when she clearly cares way too much what her haters think - but no fucks given Lana would be a million times more engaging than whatever she's been serving recently. there's plenty of people who are problematic as fuck that are still authentically themselves and end up being kinda bad bitches. she said "fresh outta fucks forever" but it's clear she gives several fucks. if she wants to express herself however she wants, which i think she should, she's gotta be willing to face whatever people respond to it with. it's like damn. you cant want to express yourself but be afraid of backlash. there's artists i really respect who have received a million times more backlash than Lana but just stick to what they believe because that's authentic for them. i worry about her self image bc she's a fucking uber successful millionaire pop star thats worried about what people on the internet write about her?????? good god girl get a grip

as Lana works in the entertainment industry, i do have to say i am entertained. that being said - Lana is racist. Megan Fox is right. Beyonce would never do anything like this. Red heads deserve what they get (jk). I will without a doubt listen to the new album when it comes out in March 2021.

I love every fuckin bit of this album

Hi I'm Foxglove and I have not listened to Norman Fucking Rockwell in 27 days. I can't believe I used to be the person who would find myself curled up on the kitchen floor, headphones in, listening to Mariner's Apartment Complex in the dark. I knew I was at a completely new low desperate point when I burned a CD of the potato quality leak of the album recorded on a phone by Cassette Girl and listened to it over and over in my car....... I want to thank this group for helping me recognize that even though I've suffered from horrible taste in many dark times in my life, I have the power within to break this addiction. I never thought I would come this far, and I'm making a solemn promise to myself and my loved ones to keep going and only listen to good music with actual meaning. Thank you so much for your support

i can tell you really have a perspective to respect in other news, is lana dying her hair every other day? bc that's what i do when im in the middle of a mental breakdown as well as an identity crisis

yeah, good riddance, ok

disrespectful bc i called her a racist for passingly referring to native american issues and donning a headdress but ignoring the enduring history of colonialism? i dont presume to know Lana's intentions. did you even read my post? that's great ab your heritage, and indigenous people are not a monolith, as im sure you know. how do you feel ab the continued environmental destruction of indigenous land, disproportionately high imprisonment of native people, blind eyes turned to missing and murdered indigenous women/girls/two spirit people, rejection of tribal sovereignty, etc? do you think enough is being done in the world to combat the continued degradation of indigenous people and sustainable lifestyles? this is a genuine question. i really dont expect Lana to do anything, but i think its disrespectful af for her to bring up native issues then only barely scratch the surface of whats really going on there when its a really dire situation that the fate of our entire planet depends on. i really am not trying to fight with you so im gonna take a break from the shadiness. i care ab what happens to this planet. i care ab indigenous people and everything they have faced at the hands of colonists and destructive industry. i care about people who continue to get sidelined and marginalized and ignored. and i wish anyone with a platform would do more about it, because people with money, fame, and power are the ones who actually have the potential to make real change. i know that criticizing lana on a forum isnt really doing anything about any of these issues, but i have a lot of feelings, and these are my opinions of Lana's poetry or whatever that she shares for the world to see. i used to really respect her as an artist and think she was capable of a lot more. but i dont have to only have positive thoughts and glowing reviews of her work. thats not my responsibility back to the shadiness: i hope all your sycophantic respect for Lana really pays off when she reads these threads and sends you VIP tickets to the next show she cancels.

can you pls point out where i was ignorant or acting superior to anyone? so sorry that standing up for adequate acknowledgment of the struggles of indigenous people by an actually ignorant rich artist with a massive platform and history of racist bullshit is so troubling to you. do you have an opinion of your own you'd like to share, or just more whining about other people's?

Lana is serving backwoods church girl hick with that hair. Can't wait to see her come out on stage with a floor length denim skirt, her Bible, and her 11 kids and counting

Ok no offense tho, for Lana Stans Lanaboards is like scripture or whatever

i love you sweetie <3

who is asking anyone to censor themselves except the people telling me to shut up with my analysis? i never said anything about that, and it's a bad faith argument to pretend anyone here is saying "you are not allowed to express yourself!!!" ... anyone can do what they want, but you have to allow people to respond how they want. you can talk about whatever you want, and people can respond however they want. idk where this idea that people arent allowed to say some shit comes in. if you talk about something in an ignorant way, like Lana does and has, someone may use their freedom to express themselves to express their issues with whatever. it goes both ways. as for what you want to make art about, i've heard a common phrase "write what you know"... you dont have to follow this, whatever. but people say that because you are going to have the most meaningful perspective about something you know that affects you. if youre writing about something youve never experienced, what are you bringing to the table regarding those experiences? it comes with the potential of backlash from people who do have those experiences / think youve got it wrong / or whatever the case may be. do what you will, but be aware that the rest of the world will do what they will as well. i mean this in the most respectful and genuine way

except Lana has recently explicitly said she's addressing native american issues in her poetry and made claims of donating money to native american groups as her own form of reparations? so it actually is something that's explicitly in her mindscape.

wow you have no idea what youre talking about lol. i wrote about how it's ignorant for Lana to continually reference native american issues without actually addressing them directly, accurately, or adequately, particularly as a rich celebrity with a massive platform that has the potential to impact the larger culture. that's far from being "offended" about it. where did i say "she's not allowed to use these words bc they hurt my feelings!!!!"? lol. we can all say and do whatever we want. that's just reality. so just as Lana can write shitty poetry with ill-conceived metaphors, i can call out why it's ignorant and share my bit about it. or are you triggered by coming across my opinion and would rather shut me up? you're wrong, btw, about all human populations being colonized, which you'd maybe have seen, if youd actually looked into what i said in my post instead of just acting like you know everything. there are existing indigenous people who have never been colonized and are currently under attack. that's the whole point of what i was saying ab indigeneous tribes in the amazon threatened by bolsonaro, the wet'suwet'en people resisting current domination by the canadian govt, etc. even completely un-contacted tribes still exist. Colonization is still happening, and indigenous people still exist. Do you just not know what the word means, so it's easier for you to pretend you do than actually educate yourself? your argument is especially stupid and cruel, even if you weren't completely wrong, bc you just consign yourself and the world to domination by imperialists. "colonization has happened a bunch of places, so lets all just go along with it"... wtf. people are still, currently, resisting these systems, fighting back, and fighting to decolonize where it's already taken over. like actually educate yourself. dont take it from me - listen to indigenous people. that is, if youre not so prejudiced that you dismiss out of hand any perspective that doesnt confirm and validate your shitty biases. idk where youre from, but Lana and I live on Turtle Island, where the violent history of colonization still affects the culture and people today. it's an important issue that deserves a full analysis. i'd rather align myself with people currently fighting against neocolonialism, and fighting to decolonize, than the rich and ignorant who just want to control everything and subjugate everyone else. which brings me to what we can agree on, which is actually that there probably isn't that much impact. mostly because Lana is quickly making herself pretty fucking irrelevant to any larger cultural conversation. and Lanaboards is like a fart in the abyss, so it's not like my words here will have any impact. i just find it so disappointing that people like Lana, and apparently you, can come so close to actually grappling with the reality of this issue and end up still turning away from gathering any real knowledge about it. Lana has the platform and potential to make an impact on our world, and she doesn't do shit. that's her prerogative, but it's my right to say that fucking sucks. stay prejudiced and ignorant, i guess

Ok

Allllllright now seems like a good time to remind the more ignorant stans here (Wilde Childe) that intention does not outweigh impact. Tf are good intentions worth?

Oof, coming thru with a Taylor gif? I'll disregard, thx!

art has the potential to actually have meaning, not just some vapid aesthetic divorced from any substance. this kind of empty, pretty art is actually pretty new in the grand scheme, only coming to the forefront of the art world with mass production and digital distribution allowing today's capitalist class to focus solely on marketing it to as many people as possible and making money off of it, not spreading any sort of message or having any real cultural impact. even Lana's supposed idols were creating music and poetry with power and meaning, like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Leonard Cohen. the Beat poetry era that Lana has referenced throughout her work, and from which she seems to borrow a lot of her aesthetic, was extremely political, about exploring issues impacting the human condition, rejecting economic exploitation and materialism, fighting against institutional conformity and conservative ideals and authoritarian bullshit, exploring spirituality (all spirituality, even Lana's half assed white witch shit, is derived from indigenous beliefs), finding sexual liberation, fighting actual colonization.. not that there aren't always problems to be discussed when it comes to art, but that's what makes the whole art world so interesting and impactful. actual critique and analysis ab what someone's art means or what impact it has is how an audience participates in the artistic process. open yer mind i agree, i think this is a really good point. the word is so loaded with meaning, with such an intense and violent context in reality - not just a make believe world of fantasy and imagery that Lana seems to live in - that to include this theme in her silly poem is just way off the mark. i think lana's poetry is cute, but it's not like, hard hitting literature with a deep impact. many/most good artists use their work to draw attention to issues regarding the human condition, and in today's world, the plight of indigenous people is a huge deal. there has been a ton of poetry about important issues, referencing colonization etc, that actually makes a point about what's going on with those issues. Lana makes no attempt to do that. what i dont understand is why she seems to really want to involve herself in larger issues but then misses the mark so bad. im 100% in support of someone trying to educate themselves ab important issues, or creating art about anything they want. but it's weird to see her play at this "radical politics theme" without having any sort of actual radical politics, or really any substantial understanding of the topics she brings up. she does seem to be stuck in a bit of a bubble