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Miss Lana performances where she was visibly intoxicated with pupils like dinner plates

Somebody hard of hearing/anybody that has the ability to read lips needs to transcribe what she said during the part of her live where the sound went out

18 hours ago, Charlottexseax said:

Uhmmm gay men have used catholic imagery for literally centuries, Michalengelo for example???? He literally used his hookups to model for saints, god and the devil… please JDKSKSKSLSL 

 

And also this post is coming across as EXTREMELY aggressive for no reason at all

8 hours ago, PeroxidePrincess said:

But straight musicians making overly-sexualitized music videos is OK? 

And tf in depicting gay sex in a video "for shock value"? That doesn't make any sense (unless you're a homophobe). Also the devil stuff is for satire and he was every right in the world to ridicule what religious wackos say about us.

8 hours ago, Frangipani said:

I can't tell whether you're a troll or just a horrible person

8 hours ago, baddisease said:

 

1. Homosexuality is going to be sexualized, it's a fucking sexual orientation.

2. The people stream his music because it's good

3. Nice job equating being queer to having no morals, wonderful homophobia (and if you're queer, you can still be self-loathing)

4. The Devil has been featured in a lot of music. "Highway to Hell", anyone?

 

You really need to chill.

16 hours ago, Sportscruiser said:

 

Why does oversexualization only comes up as a derogatory argument when it’s queer people or women doing it?

 

This is literally the worst and most obtuse take I’ve ever read online and I browse Reddit sometimes. And not you getting your panties in a twist over ~tHe dEViL~ like it’s a huge offense when religion is still, to this day, the source of so much queerphobia and discrimination. 

 

Also, I don’t care if you’re queer or not. You should refrain from calling queer people “stupid fags” because that’s quite frankly replicating cishet hate speech and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on. Think about that before coming for anyone’s morals and ruin an otherwise fun thread.

he isn't gunna fuck you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lil Nas X, literally over sexualizing homosexuality for shock value in a sad attempt to get the GP to stream his music, and then public eats it up and call him a marketing genius when it’s really that he has absolutely zero morals, the quality of his music or talent alone will never get him recognition so he has to rely on public acts of indecency, and then seeing the industry embrace him it’s like what the fuck

stupid faggot who decided that his response to homophobia was to worship the devil, “oh people were mean to me for being gay let me idolize the fucking devil” what a sad man, he’s ugly as FUCK too 

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6 minutes ago, Thoth said:

I love interpretations made about the track placements. I also want to take my turn to interpret last 5 songs

 

Wildflower Wildfire - The title and the concept of the song itself is duality. Lana who she is today makes a promise and says that she wants to be a wildflower rather than a wildfire. And she explains the reasoning by going back to where all begins. How Lana ended up in hospital because of her wildfire mum. And she also explains how her poetry started by using lithium.

Nectar of the Gods - You can see the duality in the verses here too. She talks about how cruel the world is and then how sweet the world is; the chorus says how the color blue is fucking crazy and wild like you never knew. Because for the most people, blue is calm and tranqualizing. I believe nectar of the gods refer to drugs. So in this song, she is explaining how she started doing drugs to try to heal hearself. The theme of the song is being lost and she seems lost. She is trying to find her way.

Living Legend - She finally finds her way. She finds a mentor who inspires her and takes her hand to get out of the duality. You can see in the bridge how tired she is from living on the edge right between Heaven and Hell and how her living legend sends her right to the Heaven with the things she taught to her.

Cherry Blossom - The circle of life makes her the mentor she was talking about in the previous song. She is now mentoring another lost girl (or her past lost self) as there's so much to learn and so much to see. She shows her the way to Heaven and pushes her high, cherry blossom on her sycamore tree. The world is cruel but Lana doesn't care anymore because she learned the way.

Sweet Caroline - It's a song wraps up the whole story from her mother being so destructive to her sister having a baby. She makes the promise that she'll always be there for her sister. She shows her caring side she obtained and learned along her story.

 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8aFND4t/
 

The last film made 300k on a nearly 6 million budget! Who keeps giving her the budget to keep making movies lmao

1 hour ago, Super Movie said:

Literally why else would Emile and Mike be working together if it's not for Lana? The only other artist they've both worked with from what I can tell is Kid Cudi, but that wasn't on the same song. There's one song I'm finding that they did both have credits on, but it's a Kanye song from 2010 

Emile and Mike have worked together on Runaway which is one of Kanye’s most important songs

2 minutes ago, Edelgard said:

her Saturn is pretty close to her South Node.

I believe in astrology, but I don’t understand it what does this indicate?

Polydor and her team are so embarrassing for having a streaming party, they’re clearly desperate to raise these streaming numbers (despite  everyone in this thread claiming no one cares about streaming numbers)

this is some justin bieber begging ppl for streams on instagram type mess 

I’m so curious as to what fucked up shit Lana’s ancestors did that’s necessary of her to heal her karmic lineage, I have some theories but nothing substantial

6 hours ago, FallingCherry said:

And that’s what makes her music more relatable  now. Who used to relate to her singing about chateau marmont and glamourous stuff?? Rich folks?

She’s been singing about her daily life and her simplest inner thoughts since NFR, and her lyrics have become more relatable than ever.

The Lana you’re holding on to is not coming back, like it or not. You’re free to unstan if you don’t like what she does now, it’s perfectly okay to not like her anymore. What’s not okay is spreading so much negativity as if Lana’s music was objectively bad now when it’s objectively the best it’s ever been.

I never said it was objectively bad I said it was uninteresting, don’t put words in my mouth. Also saying her current music is objectively good is not an okay assertion to make. 
 

And why is relatable music the measure of how good a song is??! To me at least, you don’t have to relate to something for it to be good. People watch keeping up with the kardashians because it’s relatable? No, because its exciting and fun to watch rich people do shit. Interesting storytelling doesn’t have to be relatable to be intriguing. Most of the time NOT ALL of the time there should be some element of fantasy to keep things interesting

7 hours ago, Sportscruiser said:

 

There’s nothing too exciting about a simple life with a child in a backyard and yet here you are in a fansite of hers. Do you enjoy being a contrarian just for the sake of being? How can you even fathom the idea that the songs in these past 3 records aren’t complex just because it doesn’t suit your Lolita fantasies? How can you say she’s not experimenting with her sound when you have TB, Dealer and BBS as prime examples of an experimentation within her own sound? At this point you’re just babbling things that make virtually no sense. Just say you’re not as interested in the themes she’s exploring and move on?

I literally said that the themes shes exploring about simplicity i don’t find interesting ☠️ You’re constantly projecting telling me that anyone who doesn’t find her current music captivating are all just wanting another born to die or some lolita type bullshit. 
 

She went from singing about the chateau marmont and exotic cars to her pickup truck toyota and the hilton hotel which are very normal every day places and things. Lets not act like she isn’t idolizing the mundane at this point, because she is. She literally doesn’t want an exciting life anymore and the music reflects that, period.

30 minutes ago, wildheart said:

I think regardless if you find her writing compelling now or the BTD era, this is a huge level of vulnerability she is exploring with BB.

 

You go from saying “I got a taste in men much older” in Paradise to “I guess you can call it text book, I was looking for the father I wanted back” in BB. From “my mother’s glamour” in UV to “my father would never step in when his wife would rage at me” and “I’m not friends with my mother” in BB.

 

you might really find her dreamy musical landscape/persona from BTD/Paradise/UV more compelling but that’s all they were. Dreamy. They’re no less beautiful or complex, but they weren’t entirely real. Lana’s getting more raw and open in every record, and that is growth and not at all comfort imho. 

She’s written about things that aren’t entirely real in the past but she’s actually still writing about things that aren’t entirely real now too. Throughout her songwriting she’s always used her lyrics as a method of manifestation for things she wants in her life, when she was living in a trailer park she’d write about living in the glamorous part of hollywood and diamonds, getting fame noteriety and rivera’s etc, and these were often fantastical ideals that made the music to me at least very interesting. They became true for her when they manifested themselves eventually with the weird way the universe works or whatever she’s been able to get the things she writes about, almost prophetic

now she’s still trying to manifest a simple life, “give me children take away my pain”, “i’ve got a kid and two cats in the yard”, “A simple life, I chose this”, these things may not have manifested yet but she’s still writing about things that aren’t entirely real in an attempt to like bring them into her life but there really is not much interesting about the imagery she’s associated her songwriting with currently it isn’t fantastical or as you said dreamy, theres nothing too exciting about a simple life with a child and being in the backyard but it is what she thinks will give her happiness 

9 minutes ago, wildheart said:

I think some of the meltdowns in the previous pages have more to do with people realizing this is just Lana’s new sound. Jack wasn’t pushing this piano agenda, she wants piano. And while she is still definitely experimenting (dealer, bbs), she’s taken a turn out of the BTD and UV era, with a few homages sprinkled now and then. 
 

that Lana sound ain’t coming back and BB solidifies her decision to keep playing in the music sandbox of experimentation and complex, vulnerable writing.

I disagree that she is experimenting, and the songs are not complex, her writing is very much simple and more autobiographical like literally a diary entry and direct inner monologue, she’s definitely going for the less is more route which is like fine, she wants a simple life and these are simple songs about the her every day life, nothing more

this isn’t like experimentation I think she’s just settled into her new sound and this is it, its where she’s comfortable at as an artist, i don’t see her experimenting with new sounds and her last 3 records show that she isnt going to really experiment, we’re going to be seeing more piano 

1 hour ago, Corona said:

What is all this fighting here oh my god

 

do y'all stan Lana because she's commercially successful? It's so clear that neither she or her team care a lot about chart placement, she's just giving us her beautiful music (TWO times this year). This is what matters, so I will never understand why some here care about her chart success more than her own team.

 

And to those who say that we, who enjoyed this new record, are not real fans - literally get a life. Whether the songs on BB are West Coast/Ride etc level is PURELY subjective and you really shouldn't care about the opinion of others. Let people enjoy things, this toxic behaviour reminds me of the hellhole that the Star Wars fandom is right now.

Absolutely don’t stan Lana for her chart placement, I would stan Lana for her mystique, her ability to create exotic unique cinematic music, she used to make music that sounded like a glamorous soundtrack to a film of her life, she was able to mix different genres and samples, that usually don't go together, into a song and album that surprisingly harmonizes well

the mystique is dead, she doesn’t even fully go by lana now and signs messages with her birth name, has been narrating the same tired diary entry songs, almost no editing, songs aren’t even properly mixed and differ between platforms, w the exception of a few songs on the new record its more of the same piano ballad that the people on this website tell themselves is her evolving as an artist when really she’s been doing almost the same thing for 3 records now, 2 at the keast 

2 hours ago, landofGodsandMonsters said:

i feel like you are hung up on the 25k opening numbers. Are they bad? Yes but you do realize they are so low because her physical sales are not counted in this week right? She would be debuting with 50-60k if they were. Which is still a significant drop from her previous 100k+ debuts, but not terrible.

 

Also, I feel like her label is very relaxed with this release. They haven’t even restocked the vinyls on her website. Lol

Subtract her physical sales from all her first sales of her past records, and blue banisters is still the lowest selling by a long shot, what now? Whats not clicking the sales are bad? No artist from a major label record like interscope should be selling 25k 

16 minutes ago, Whore of Tropico said:

chill sis, the album has only been out for 4 days, it's not always about whether or not the fandom loves it. Remember: this album is doing all of these numbers without receiving any proper promotion, no radio plays, no playlisting, no hype at all to begin with, the social media is the only place to promo the album and give it more hype but Lana chose to sign off & deactivated all the socials ONE MONTH before the release, think bigger.

And one more important thing, billboard rules change like everysingle day, and sadly the first week physical sales does not even count.

Try to understand the situation shall we?

 

If TikTok is any measure, she has like two albums worth of unreleased music which have never been promoted, radio plays, playlisting etc that are being listened to more than any song on this record 

6 minutes ago, Sportscruiser said:

 

Many users have stated time and time again that they wish Lana made songs like she used to. The user I was referring to reinforced that.

 

I was lukewarm to Lana using old songs as well until I heard them in the project the way she intended us to. With all due respect but simply saying that she’s “lazy” or “unimaginative” because she’s readapting old songs (which leaks she had no autonomy over - what in and of itself doesn’t make it a RE-USE as you said) is just looking at this project through very strained and close minded goggles.

 

I can’t imagine a previous project of hers being able to fit in Cherry Blossom and Living Legend within their narratives and concepts for instance. Both songs are so intricately tied to the themes of motherhood through very different meanings and perspectives - considering this is the very first project of hers in which she openly talks about her difficult relationship with her mother and the overall impact her family ties have had in her own perception of intimacy building and how the failures of her romantic relationships are intimately tied with her own upbringing, I’d say this is the first time CB and LL (for example) actually make any sense being included in a LDR album; CB is a lullaby to an imaginary child and LL is an homage to her surrogate mother… which then flows right into SC which itself is a direct reassurance towards her sister who’s about to become a mother herself: these three songs in succession being positioned at the back half of an album that gently delves into the toxicity and abandonment of her own strained relationship with her biological mother figure is a good enough reason for those songs to be included. It’s not just going to a vault and picking up whatever demos she thinks are cool enough to be released - there’s a distinct narrative purpose that is very new in her discography and it makes perfect sense that she would feel like those songs found a home in the vision she wants to share with the world.

 

With that said, I don’t want to keep trying to explain whatever concept or narrative reside within this album. Either you get it/relate to it/appreciate it or you don’t and that’s fine. What I think it’s unfair is to try and extrapolate general conclusions about what’s a real fan or not based on individual responses and opinions towards Blue Banisters. I know you weren’t the one who started out this conversation but you intervened and here we are.

Look, At the end of the day it’s personal taste, I like “get” the record, i get the symbolism of violets for roses and the banisters that are blue and green and grey etc, i can see the brilliance in her songwriting but my attitude to this whole album can be summarized in Lana’s own words which she said in an interview with Jack a year ago

“I don’t really care if you mush an amazing life story into an alternative record. If the melodies don’t stun me, I kind of don’t care. I think it’s interesting if you’re yelling and shouting and talking about where you’re going and what it’s been like, but to me that’s not a record. That’s a therapy session.”

15 minutes ago, Super Movie said:

The album got more streams in it's 4th day than Chemtrails did and received 5,339,181 streams yesterday. Of course it's not as high as the streams of other artists, but that's not what matters at all. It's not "tanking" (and even if it was, who cares?). Generally, I don't know why you're so obsessed with the fact that Lana's numbers aren't as high as they were in past eras. Streams don't equal quality, which kind of feels like what you're trying to say. And about Dealer trending, it literally just started getting popular a few days ago, so obviously it's not as big as other viral Lana songs. It's fun to celebrate when Lana does well in her numbers, but that shouldn't be the focus of being a fan. You should be a fan because you enjoy the music. 

You’re missing the point, i don’t understand how you’re not seeing the correlation between people enjoying music and streaming numbers, if the fan base liked this album they would be listening to it like constantly streaming the songs because they want to keep hearing it, and people are simply not streaming the songs because probably they just don’t like the album all that much

Also this argument against streams not equalling quality simply isn’t true especially for poets which Lana prides herself as being, in the words of Lana’s own favorite poet Walt Whitman: “The proof of a poet is that his country absorbs him as affectionately as he has absorbed it”

Seeing my own Last.Fm streaming numbers I’m barely listening to this record and thats reflective of the general listening numbers of me and my friends who have been long time fans of lana, from personal experience and what I’m seeing in numbers from this record

You said previously that Blue banisters is “what keeps us stay and keeping up with her” and i was using streaming nunbers to say you’re wrong, people definitely wanted to keep up with her in the past and thats evident when she was debuting with 100k a week for every other album, how could you say this album is what makes us want to stay keeping up with her with only 25k people, more people would be streaming this album if we wanted to keep up

31 minutes ago, Whore of Tropico said:

 

This sounds really narrow-minded. Blue Banisters surely isn't what makes us the fans of her like today, but it's what keeps us stay and keeping up with her, love her more for sure.

And you are actually thinking that Blue Banisters doesn't find its way to new fans for real? "Dealer" is currently trending on tiktok

If the fanbase really loved Blue Banisters it wouldn’t be tanking in streaming. The hype around Lana died years ago so it was always her dedicated fans not new listeners that kept her streaming up, she isn’t a singles artist and has always been an albums artist and that is from her huge audience that connected with her previous records and stream the fuck out of them constantly, and with this album the fan base just isn’t listening anymore

album releases are much like new seasons of television shows, if the last season was good, then people tune again in next season, but when the show starts getting repetitive and repeating the same storylines, then the viewership goes down

If people wanted more of this introspective very matter of fact lyricism and simple instrumentation then we’d see more people listening to it, but it appears that isnt the case

even violet the book sold more copies than this record and those are purely physical books, physical copies and streaming included of this album will probably sell less than that BOOK which I would believe only her fan base would buy,

a musical artist has less fans listening to her latest record than a book she put out just over a year ago , i think that speaks for itself in terms of our fanbases enjoyment of this record

Now i know that not EVERY fan isn’t disliking the album like i get it its personal taste but the fans who are enjoying this album are definitely in the minority and the numbers show it 

also dealer is “trending” on tiktok but even Lana’s unreleased which have never seen the light of day have been more than a 100x more viral than dealer :/

48 minutes ago, Sportscruiser said:

It’s just so mind boggling to me that someone could still be so attached to Born To Die for whatever reasons and still expect a recycling of that sound and aesthetic 10 years down the road of an artist who is well known for completely changing her sound from album to album. Even Norman and Chemtrails (which many cite as similar) had crucial differences between them (the former being a harrowing, dazzling surf rock look at a dying America/falling culture, the latter being a quite more introspective, neo-folk incursion into a desire in escaping to a simpler reality, where fame doesn’t exist).

 

Over the course of 10 years and 8 albums, Lana has given us an all-changing variety of soundscapes and concepts, always evolving and maturing as a singer and songwriter. To ask  or expect her to return to previous eras and/or sonorities is completely negating and ignoring how much her writing, singing, producing and melody arranging has changed throughout the years. She’s not the same person as she was in 2011 - and she has explicitly affirmed she has no intention to.

 

It’s absolutely fine to not love or support this album. Like, whatever. I myself dislike Arcadia and most of the fandom seems to love it - different opinions are bound to happen within any given fandom or corner of art criticism and consumption. Just don’t put your views and perspectives on a pedestal to the point of becoming condescending and pretentious. They’re absolutely useless and detrimental to the healthy and constructive conversations that can be born from our differences. We’re not 13 anymore, fucking hell.

Not once in the last few pages of this thread have I seen a single post from any user on this website asking Lana to revisit the Born to die soundscape

Also your point in itself about how Lana shouldn’t revisit old sounds literally doesn’t add up when on this record 4 of the songs were written during the Ultraviolence era

i would not say that this new album from Lana is a new soundscape for her at all, its the typical melodic arrangements and instrumentation we’ve seen from her in the past only mastered which I’ll give her props for but as you mentioned just like the last record the same lyricism thats “introspective, neo-folk incursion into a desire in escaping to a simpler reality, where fame doesn’t exist” 

she’s literally RE-USING songs from a decade ago and youre like “wow growth” “her writing has improved”???????

21 minutes ago, your dealer said:

 

First of all, don't speak for all of us. None of the songs listed are what even got me into lana, it was actually her very early unreleased music and some of her Lizzy Grant work. The music on Blue Banisters is what makes us her fans, because it's her music. You're allowed to have your opinion, but don't project that onto us and group us together. A lot of us really fucking love the album. Sonically, vocally, lyrically it is some of her best work ever.

 

What you're saying about her earlier music, i.e. Born To die or UV or HM and how it's "cohesive" or "not a collection of songs" is absolutely incorrect. There are songs on Born To Die and all of those albums that were never made for those albums, therefor making them a collection of songs. So whatever point you're trying to get at is inconsistent and contradictive. Leave us alone, let us enjoy the music. And if you don't like it, say so but don't put words in our mouths. 

Where did I say that her those albums were cohesive, I said that THIS album is not cohesive, unless your definition of cohesive is different than the dictionary one that I go by, then how can you can consider Thunder and Dealer being on the same album as Arcadia and Sweet Caroline cohesive??? Its obvious they were recorded at different times because they were, not only sonically but lyrically cherry blossom, living legend and necter of the gods are thematically entirely different than the rest of the record???
 

Also improve your reading comprehension skills, I was merely making the point that NEW listeners which doesnt include you would PROBABLY not DEFINITELY, not be revisiting Lana’s discography if the first they’ve ever heard of her was this album

This album relies HEAVILY on already being familiar with Lana “by the way thanks for the hate I’ll pray for ya”, the references to her daddy issues etc, and these references would go over peoples head if they weren’t already a listener

3 minutes ago, Nectar said:

I really don’t think it’s that bad. She doesn’t have vinyl which makes up the majority of her sales, and it’s her second album of the year.  She probably would have done closer 50k with vinyl which isn’t bad considering the fact that the GP doesn’t even know she has an album out. Also even Lorde who did a bunch of interviews, magazine covers, and hadn’t released an album in 4 years sold around 50k as well. Don’t think it’s fair to compare her numbers to people who have hit songs and a lot of promo. 

Thats why I compared to Lana’s own previous sales to her current sales for this record, she like never promotes her albums and they still managed to do well,

also even if you remove all the vinyl sales from all of her first week sales of all of her previous albums, including chemtrails, they have still all sold more than Blue Banisters 

8 minutes ago, DCooper said:

 

Sorry but this is such a bad take. There are tons of people here who are genuinely loving the album and are certainly super fans, or we wouldn't be spending so much of our time on LanaBoards. It's fine if the album didn't click for you, but don't act like you're enlightened because of it, and those of us who think the album is brilliant and beautiful are either faking it or don't know what we're talking about. I actually feel like a true super fan is more likely to pick up on a lot of the intricacies of the album and absolutely understand what Lana was doing here. It's a great record with a cohesive and complex story.

All of the songs that he listed are some of the brilliant songs that got us into loving Lana in the first place, none of the songs on Blue Banisters are what make us fans of her, anyone who’s listening to Blue Banisters was already a fan previously which of course is only because its a couple days old but highly doubt any new listeners who will be listening to Lana for the first time with Blue Banisters will be revisiting her discography

the album is absolutely not cohesive, its a collection of songs and its very obvious with a couple of songs that they were recorded at very different times than the rest of the record