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    @@LoreleiLee Amazing post!!

     

    How could I forget Gods & Monsters?? It's one of my fave Lana songs. And now that you repeat this Nietzsche-an lines, I remember why I thought she wasn't religious at all. I mean "Me and God don't get along" and "God's dead, that's alright with me", at first, sound very very unreligious, even atheist. That's why I was so surprised to all of a sudden hear a "God knows I tried"...

     

    I do agree that Lana went through a "rebellious" phase etc. and all you said above that I'm not going to repeat now. However, I don't think she ever NOT believed in God. These lines in Gods&Monsters are super interesting, and I would love to hear her thoughts on this. When did Paradise come out, 2012, wasn't it? There are definitely interviews from that time where she sincerely talks about god. I do believe that she has found her true way now, and is happy now.

     

     

    Maybe her dreams before were huge and sparkling, and life and bitter experience made them broken, so she ascribed that to God's viciousness or negligence, but now, as she matured and realized things happened as they should, she returned to his embrace. So yes, she is a believer, in God and in Love as an ultimate light of life and its greatest, most sublime force.

     Amen. You said it.

     

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    Yeah the "I can't believe God would give me bla bla bla" line is from the 2012 Italian Facebook interview it's in my masterpost. I remember this conversation was so fascinating. I really, REALLY would like to understand where the "I am my only God" line comes from. As a believer I would be more inclined to think it is an invitation to find God within ourselves, but very obviously this line probably has completely opposite connotations for anyone else. I think she also is interested in the "romantic" aspect of religion, with lines like "Jesus is my bestest friend", "please Lord when I get to heaven let me bring my man", etc, like she fantasizes about having a relationship with a divinity that is in the same vein as "honouring love even when it is lost". She definitely sometimes uses religious words as part of an aesthetic rather than a honest belief imo. And I 1000% agree with your last statement you said it much better than I would have. I love your last sentence, I'm Catholic and I'm nowhere near offended, it's actually very justly and beautifully said and really, super super Lana.

    Wow, I love what you wrote! Thank you! :)

    I 100% agree with you! That idea that she wants a "relationship with divinity" is so cool! And the way she talks about Jesus as her "bestest friend" and in the same lines as "Marilyn, Coney Island Beaches, Sparklers and Streamers", just solidifies that! That just proves she's not your typical Catholic, she is much more colorful, freer in her expressions of a belief.

     

    The "I am my only God" from Disco is what made me love Lana. I remember listening to that song over and over again, it captivated me so much, the whole song is just fantastic imo! I think that this song and this line goes with her "I'd rather know what God knows" line in Pawn Shop Blues (another one of my favorites). I mean these songs obviously don't sound like she is very religious at all, you could even say that she's disregarding religion or God here, but I feel like that is just 100% Lana. She does believe in a God in the "outside world", a God that "directs" her or lets things happen. However, she must also believe in a "God within one self", like loving onself just as much as anything and anyone else.

    "I am my only God" means to me that she wants to be free, unjudged and doing whatever she wants. Like she says in Disco "I do what I like I just don't care". At first I considered this to be rather blasphemous as I haven't heard a religious person "comparing" themself to God (isn't that even forbidden?), but it's not at all. As with all the Catholic / religious references in her songs, it's just the way she expresses herself and I personally love that because I can identify with that as well even though I am an atheist.

    As well as the "I'd rather know what God knows". I love that line. It's SOOO Lana.

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    I agree with what all of you have said here. @@annedauphine and I had a short discussion on this a while back. When I heard Honeymoon for the first time, in particular GKIT I was really shocked because to me this song left no doubt that Lana believes in a form of God. I always considered Lana to be in a way spiritual, but never really religious as, as some of you have stated, her views on metaphysics and astrophysics, her themes of guns/violence/drugs/sex in her songs as well as her romanticized kitsch representation of Catholic themes (Tropico) seem to contradict this idea. In her songs there are lines like "I am my only God", or "All that's real to me is Marilyn and Jesus". To me, these lines sounded like she consideres her Catholicism a part of her life, however not in the sense of truly believing it, more like using it in her Americana, and ackknowledging it as a way to explain the world.

    Also, she is not conservative at all, she is quite the opposite.

     

    After all this, I went back and I read and listened to some interviews, and the way she speaks about God in a matter of fact way left no doubt for me that she is indeed religious, in whatever way. Like, there was this interview where she said sth like "I couldn't believe that God would give me such a nice person and then it wouldn't work out." Like she truly means it.

     

    This is true, but Lawrence Krauss can be very condescending toward believers and doesn't really attempt to hide that he thinks they're kind of stupid, so that's why I'm surprised that Lana would connect to him and his work.

     

    I don't know Lawrence Kraus... But then again, I wouldn't consider Lana to be a "typical" believer. Maybe she doesn't care about this or maybe she feels partly this way too?? I mean we can all just guess obviously, but I think that Lana very much believes in all the scientific and metaphysical approaches on how the universe came into existence, but there is just one point where science can't explain anything anymore (at least not yet?). And that is where her belief in God comes in. She surely believes that God "created" the universe and that God has some influence over people's lives, like destiny, you know.

    I think she "connects" with Catholicism so much because it's such a splendid glittering, yet rotten institution (not trying to offend anyone).

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    I've read on multiple occasions and also seen it in interviews that Lana believes in God, and that, in my view, has not changed at all. Now, I'm atheist, however I think that being Catholic, attending church, saying prayers etc. does not at all contradict being interested in metaphysics or looking at the laws of physics to understand the creation of the universe. God simply is not an explanation for everything.

     

    Also, she has a goshdarnit song called "God Knows I Tried" on the album, and I don't know about you guys but to me the song sounds very much like she believes in a God. And that very strongly.

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    I went listening loudly because I was 100% sure it was "half live in lost dreams" but its definitely "have heavy heartstrings" when you listen close.

     

    Shame, I like the lost dreams line better.

     

    I have heavy heartstrings? What the actual fuck? I hear that too now, congratulations sisters... :/ I liked the dream line better.

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    I just heard "il j'adore" in the last chorus. Wtf... is that even Italian, or French? Help please :)

     

    I hear something like this too, but that unfortunately neither makes sense in French or in Italian... :/ "I adore him" or sth like this would be "lo adoro" in Italian, if I'm correct.

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  11. Posted

    Yeah, phonetically I definitely hear something like "meta-gene" as well. But I'm not yet convinced it's Medellín. People on genius.com are saying it's pronounced "med-a-zsheen" or "med-a-jean", or at least that that's the way most English speakers pronounce it. But so far I'm not seeing that that's the case. It seems like people pronounce it more like "med-a-yeen".

    I mean, the Medellín cartel certainly makes sense as something she'd reference (her @@drugmoney and @columbiancartel Twitter accounts say hi) so maybe she's just majorly mispronouncing it. But it's also worth noting there are no other explicit drug references in the song (or "Backfire", the other songs that mentions "Salvatore").

     

    I think we should consider other possibilities. Here's one fitting with the Italian theme. Any chance she's saying "de Medici", and slightly mispronouncing the last syllable more like "zhee" than "chee"?

    Yeah that's why I'm so confused. In Spanish two Ls (ll) are pronounced as a "y", so her pronounciation would make no sense at all.

     

    "De Medici" is a good idea, but I do think that she would look up a word (or at least ask Francesco) when she's not sure how it's pronounced. I hear more of a "meda-gine" or "mede-gine". And if it's not an English word, it must surely be Italian as it wouldn't make much sense otherwise for this song.

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  13. Posted

    [barrie:]

    I've seen you walk along the riverside

    I've seen you walk along at ease

    And in the air I feel a silence,

    it whispers perfect on the breeze

    And there's a voice that keeps me company

    It takes me closer to the stream

    And in the break of any suffering

    It makes me feel like there's no pain

    Finally, finally, finally I'm getting closer

    To the dream

    To my dream I believe

     

    [Lana:]

    I'm up a creek and you're my paddle

    Where there is you there is my soul

    Another dream where I'm the witness

    I am the witness to your goal

     

    [barrie & Lana:]

    Finally, finally, finally I'm getting closer

    To the dream

    To my dream I believe

    Finally, finally, finally I'm getting closer

    To the dream

    To my dream I believe

    To my dream I believe

    To my dream I believe

    To my dream I believe

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    <<<<< V interview excerpt >>>>>>>>>>
    James Franco: Why did you call the new album Honeymoon?
     
    Lana Del Rey: “Honeymoon.” I guess its the word that sums up the ultimate dream. I mean, life is a honeymoon, you know? Life, love, paradise, freedom.. thats forever. With someone, or just with yourself. It just felt right, kind of the way Ultraviolence felt right before that, when I had a little more rage (laughs). I love the concept that life is a dream and you curate your own space so that it becomes your heaven. Its all contingent upon your state of mind, which is why I don’t always do interviews – because it puts me in a bad fucking mood. I really try and keep my world beautiful but its tricky. We’re at a point in time when life truly can be what you want it to be.
    <<<< end Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     
    So the followup question I would have asked is: "If Life's a Honeymoon, then what is the marriage?" She should respond a marriage "between spirit and matter" as in @@litewave 's  post 10 in his esoteric origins of mankind thread (Lana thoughts).

     

     

    Thank you for posting this :)

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  18. Posted

    I think the first verse is:

    Queen of the downtown scene

    Prowling around at night

    You're not mean

    You're just born to be seen

    Born to be wild

    Sry, but I definitely hear a w-sound. :/ So for me it's still "want"

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  19. Posted

     

    Quoting from http://genius.com/La...alvatore-lyrics:

     

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    I’m pretty sure, “I’m in regine” should be “Medellín,” or “My Medellín Tangerine dreams.” (It’s most commonly pronounced meta-gene by english speakers) and I think it’s in reference to the Tangerina Cream ice cream shop / confectionary (soft ice cream…)

     

     

    I hear "Meta-gene" more than "in regine" that's for sure. I have never heard of Medellín before, but it's in Colombia? So there is an ice cream store in Medellín called Tangerina and Lana is referencing that? Wtf? Is there something I'm missing or...

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