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    NFR and its era is just so warm and inviting for me :true: it’s riddled with SO much nostalgia..I remember it came out when I was in college and spent late nights studying and listening to it :delish:  It was a comfort album, especially it if I got too high…Venice Bitch and Love song would held me in their arms like a loving mother holds a child :true:  I appreciate this album so much :justride2: I think the fact that it’s the last Lana album we got before COVID makes it really sentimental for me as well 

     

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    As her festival dates get closer, I’m still curious how she’ll approach VB and Taco Truck on tour (hopefully she’ll include it still). Also, did I read somewhere that she plans on The Grants being the closer for her concerts or did I just make that up?? 
     

    I can see a few options. Maybe beginning as Taco Truck and then transitioning to the regular VB. She might just completely ditch the trap version too. I’d be open for a mashup between the two though, I can see that being amazing live. It would also be a great pre-closer. Having it in the middle of her setlist would be pretty cool too, maybe to transition the concert to one atmosphere to another. 

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    3 minutes ago, Creyk said:

    Loving the song interpretations on the previous page. Can we try to finally make sense of Grandfather? Of course, the bridge is a clear response to the criticism she received over her question for the culture instagram post. But what does her grandfather & connection with god have to do with that? Why did she put those 2 sentiments in the same song? And why does she ask for ancestral guidance/support/assistance for an activity as low-stakes as deep-sea fishing? It's safe to say whether Rob manages to catch a fish or not, they will be able to eat that night, but it's more about a longing for spiritual help from god but like...what? :what:

    I think the song highlights her fear of losing people in her family and her deep ancestral bonds she has with them. It shows how her family shaped her more and not the industry plan accusations 

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    7 hours ago, ShadesOfViolence said:

    y'all hear everything but the reality at this point

    LOL pls don’t get me wrong it’s obviously a baroque pop song but there are at least some post rock influences :shh2: just listen to any GYBE and Sigur Ros song…they’re definitely there. The swelling guitars, the layered rock instruments leaning towards an electronica sound, the build up and mini-crescendo - its not a post rock song by itself (it still follows conventional verse chorus structure, is vocal dominated, it’s extremely short, etc) but the sounds and textures are there at least as influences, especially in that gorgeous last chorus..either way lana always has at least one or two songs per album exploring a new genre fir her and isn’t really a stretch to say she explored this 

     

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    The lukewarm reception that the Grants has received confuses me so much like :bebe:  the moment I heard the lines do you think about heaven I KNEW this was going to be one of her best songs, and it is for me :cumming: I just can’t imagine not crying while hearing this live, my eyes literally well up with tears every time I listen to it..seeing people call it her worst single??? :tommy:

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    8 hours ago, Future Jazz said:

    i’m sorry but i really don’t think this is the follow-up to nfr… in my opinion 1) they’re really different as this one is so much more inspired, experimental, it is miles ahead in terms of lyrical content and variety. i get that nfr is much more liked than chemtrails or blue banisters but 2) objectively this album is much more a continuation of blue banisters than of nfr. the reasons for this are the piano ballads which sound much more like blue banisters than nfr (vocally and production wise), the family themes, the introspection, the multiple references to her past, the somewhat political lines, the allusions to the critics, this is all reminiscent of blue banisters and not of nfr. honestly it doesn’t make sense to erase chemtrails and blue banisters just because they’re disliked when this record is in many ways a continuation of blue banisters and in no way a continuation of nfr, whether it be in terms of vocals, in terms of lyrics, in terms of production :bebe:

    I think people are mainly saying this because the amount of work she seemed to put into TUOB and how ‘major’ the album seems (not uncommon to hear people say during the pre-release “I haven’t been this excited for an album from her since NFR”) .

     

     I see it a bit as closure for all of her newer’ albums and to say it’s more similar to NFR vs. COCC vs BB is a bit pointless because it draws from all of them (for example, saying that the singer-songwriter songs are more similar to BB when LFL/NFR introduced them to her discography in the first place). This album’s an amalgamation of all of the sounds and themes of these albums (even some parts of LFL). I will point out though that it does literally end with an NFR song and samples NFR more than any of her other albums, i don’t blame people for some of their opinions on their similarities  

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    26 minutes ago, Vertimus said:
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    Yes, that's true, and we've discussed it here many times. Like so many musical artists that began their careers and found their success while young or youngish, she's matured. She hasn't remained static by choice and or circumstance. She's in early middle age, let's face it. Priorities change, and if she marries and has a child soon--one or more--we're very likely going to hear a lot more songs like 'Sweet Carolina' and 'Grandfather' and a lot less like 'Ultraviolence,' 'Honeymoon,' and '13 Beaches.'  

     

    Lana said long ago that she "sort of grew up in a Carly Simon household,' and I said here a few years ago that that Carly Simon influence is coming through, whether she realizes or intends it or not. Songs like 'Arcadia,' 'COCC,' and 'VFR' are very Carly Simon-like, as are even 'Hope' and the 'NFR!' title track, and Simon made an entire career of singing about her famous husband (James Taylor) and lovers (too numerous to list here), her privileged upbringing, her paralyzing shyness, her siblings, and her children Ben and Sally. Lana and Carly are both Cancers, by the way--family talk and obsession comes naturally to them. 

     

    Being older than some here, I wasn't nearly as thrilled by the 'UV' production or sound, especially on 'Cruel World,' as I'd heard many songs like that before. But I realized then that, for many, 'Cruel World' was something like their introduction to that sort of a sound.

     

     

    I heavily agree with your last paragraph since I experienced it myself. I love all her music, especially Ultraviolence and NFR since they really got me into discovering new music. Ultraviolence got me really into music as a teenager and NFR a young adult, and they both taught me about music genres I would’ve otherwise not bothered with (e.g. dream pop, trip hop, etc). At the time they were new sounds and textures to me, while for example my older sister or parents would say stuff like “this sounds like the Beatles/Dido/Goldfrapp etc”. Looking back, most of her music isn’t groundbreaking - you can find similar alt rock/downtempo/pop/whatever genre songs that were bigger in the 90s that sound a lot like UV/NFR and her other works. But Lana’s works bring something really nice to the current pop landscape that young people who haven’t experimented much with their music taste can enjoy. It’s like how a lot of people heavily praise Ptolemea by Ethel Cain (a song I enjoy, don’t get me wrong) as something revolutionary but it’s essentially a post-metal ethereal wave song, which is nothing new. 

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    whoever made this :trisha: it’s kinda messy but extremely iconic already..hearing the chorus with the new instrumental :true:

     

     

     

    kind of a random comparison but the song has given me I’m God by Clams Casino vibes since its release but if Jack kept the verses/chorus :shh2: it could’ve been his I’m God moment I’m afraid..(not sure how possible this would be though or if the verses were even created during this stage the song was in, but anyways)

     

     

     

     

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