Luigi Mangione charged with murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

[violettiaras]

3 hours ago, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

actually i think nobody has the "right" to the labor of another human being. healthcare requires highly specialized human labor

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2021/10/25/single-payer-will-worsen-healthcare-workers-plight/#

america is literally the only developed country without universal healthcare. and guess what? in countries where healthcare the workers are still paid so its not even like its forced labor. I’m pretty sure the UN considers access to safe water a human right and requires specialized labor to build and maintain purification systems.   You can hide behind being “pro workers rights” all you want but you clearly just lack empathy for humanity

[Veinsineon]

People still defending America’s healthcare system in 2024 (almost 2025) 

[jaesana]

13 hours ago, fl0r1dakil0s said:

my prayers are with brian thompsons family. luigi needs to go to prison expeditiously. hope he rots

are your thoughts and prayers extended to the families of people who have been murdered by Brian Thompson's company's 32% denial rate, or is it just social murder that you find unacceptable?

[jaesana]

1 hour ago, violettiaras said:

america is literally the only developed country without universal healthcare. and guess what? in countries where healthcare the workers are still paid so its not even like its forced labor. I’m pretty sure the UN considers access to safe water a human right and requires specialized labor to build and maintain purification systems.   You can hide behind being “pro workers rights” all you want but you clearly just lack empathy for humanity

yup yup yup. with all due respect floridakilos, you are using progressive/left-wing pro-workers rights messaging to hide behind your real message, which has nothing to do with protecting the rights of people's labor, but rather that human beings are not required to help human beings. that is a fundamentally isolationist, anti-social belief.

 

no, i am not holding a gun to someone's head, demanding that their labor help my father receive a double lung transplant (which he needs soon). but rather, those incredibly smart and able-bodied human beings are selflessly working to ensure people like my dad are able to live. it is a social contract into which we have entered.

 

the moment an insurance company denies someone like my dad (which UnitedHealthcare HAS DONE to others), they have broken the social contract.

[Terrence Loves Me]

God if i see this mans name one more time

[ultrablvd]

without being too im a princess, im divisive, i really cannot muster up too much sympathy for the individual... 

 

yes, i feel for his family as they have lost a husband and a father, but as a CEO of a health insurance company overseeing denials of life saving treatments and medications, the phrase you reap what you sow comes to mind a little. as people here have said, america is one of the only developed countries without universal healthcare, and arguing against it screams privilege from anyone. the argument that as a CEO he had little say is factually wrong. as quite literally the highest point in the company, he has the power to choose many things, and he willingly took a hefty salary and encouraged the current insurance culture

 

i really struggle to see peoples justifications for privatised healthcare in 2024. like why don’t you want easy and affordable access to care with those who want to pay more able to pay privately 

[Veinsineon]

My heart aches for innocent people being bombed and annexed everyday. Why should I spare the slightest bit of sympathy for someone who would have none be it the roles were reversed? It’s sad some users here, who used to genuinely contribute to conversations, have reduced themselves to unfunny rage bait accounts… the likes which belong on Twitter, not here!

[Rico25]

On 12/10/2024 at 6:28 PM, audreysdance said:

Since there was no thread for this...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14177405/Luigi-Mangione-Unitedhealthcare-CEO-brian-thompson-shooter-family-manifesto.html

 

I thought I opened the "Pictures of you" thread and was about to laugh T_T

[jaesana]

2 hours ago, Terrence Loves Me said:

God if i see this mans name one more time

? you're in the thread about him tho? 

[fl0r1dakil0s]

8 hours ago, jaesana said:

are your thoughts and prayers extended to the families of people who have been murdered by Brian Thompson's company's 32% denial rate, or is it just social murder that you find unacceptable?

 

uh yea?? obviously?? the stories i've been reading are tragic and horrendous and i feel horrible for anybody who has lost a family member because their healthcare wasn't covered. but murdering the CEO of the company will not achieve anything. it won't make united accept more claims and it won't bring anybody dead back. all it did was add more suffering to the world lol

 

7 hours ago, ultrabanisters said:

i really struggle to see peoples justifications for privatised healthcare in 2024. like why don’t you want easy and affordable access to care with those who want to pay more able to pay privately 

 

the idea that you are proposing is not universal healthcare, it's a hybrid system of multi-payer healthcare (which would never work in the US--not only economically which has been proven by economists time and time again-- but because such a significant change requires overwhelming bipartisan support - enacting a multi-payer system would carry an exorbitant amount of overhead costs with it which republicans would obviously never agree to, not to mention the declining quality of care it has been proven a multi-payer system fosters). under universal healthcare, it never works out in the way that those who want to pay more for private care are able to do so. under a true single-payer healthcare system (what medicare for all would be and the definition of "universal healthcare") the role of private insurance completely changes and becomes only supplemental to the public system. private insurance would be limited to supplemental coverage and non-essential services (1m+ jobs would be lost from just this). this is because supporters of the universal healthcare system argue that in order for "equity" to be maintained, there cannot be a two-tier system where people have the option to pay more for better essential services, as they think it would inevitably lead to inequality (they claim the public option would not be able to provide the same level of care as the private). this fairytale multi-payer system that sounds great in theory but is practically impossible would also counteract a lot of what it is intended to do. for example a lot of people's main argument in support of universal healthcare is that a single-payer system allows the government to directly negotiate with pharma companies/healthcare providers to lower the costs of things. fragmenting the system into a multi-payer system would make it so private insurers could continue negotiating independently, which would leave the public government service with less leverage. also, for the government to properly handle this fragmentation of countless insurance companies, all with different networks, cost structures, and coverage options, they would have to enact so much government intervention in private businesses that it would basically be like replacing one bureaucracy with another. the government should not have that power, and they definitely do not have that money

 

i'm also not sure where you guys are getting this notion that universal healthcare means that people's claims will not be denied. that is literally comical. the only difference is that instead of insurance companies deciding what claims get accepted, a group of people on each state's health board would do so. procedures this board deem too expensive or not necessary will obviously get denied. and this won't just happen to actually unnecessary procedures. look at the UK for example, where most CCG's (group who oversees public healthcare in the UK) have restricted cataracts surgery as a "procedure of limited clinical value". also, universal/multi-payer healthcare would unequivocally increase wait times for all sorts of services. more than a quarter million people in the UK have been waiting over six months for medical treatment and almost 25% of cancer patients do not start treatment on time despite urgent referrals. when we look at the statistics of survivors of cancer in the US vs the UK (83% of people in the UK live five years after a prostate cancer diagnosis, 97% do in the US), the effects of this are clear. 

 

in the US, free markets work. universal/multi-payer healthcare does not. and even if a multi-payer system in the US was theoretically possible, which it is not, the economic implications are undeniably devastating: https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/costs-national-single-payer-healthcare-system

[shadesofblue]

catch me if you can...

working on my tan

luigi mangione

...dying by the hand 

 

[Candy Necklace]

5 minutes ago, shadesofblue said:

catch me if you can...

working on my tan

luigi mangione

...dying by the hand 

 

oh that's not- 

[shadesofblue]

2 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said:

oh that's not- 

I was just gonna post the first three lines and forgot about the last line for a sec but it fit too well  anyways don't want to be disrespectful so rip to that guy but also health insurance sucks 

[Wait For Life]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:10 PM, fl0r1dakil0s said:

my prayers are with brian thompsons family. luigi needs to go to prison expeditiously. hope he rots

Finally someone said it

[Mer]

On 12/12/2024 at 3:36 PM, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

uh yea?? obviously?? the stories i've been reading are tragic and horrendous and i feel horrible for anybody who has lost a family member because their healthcare wasn't covered. but murdering the CEO of the company will not achieve anything. it won't make united accept more claims and it won't bring anybody dead back. all it did was add more suffering to the world lol

 

 

the idea that you are proposing is not universal healthcare, it's a hybrid system of multi-payer healthcare (which would never work in the US--not only economically which has been proven by economists time and time again-- but because such a significant change requires overwhelming bipartisan support - enacting a multi-payer system would carry an exorbitant amount of overhead costs with it which republicans would obviously never agree to, not to mention the declining quality of care it has been proven a multi-payer system fosters). under universal healthcare, it never works out in the way that those who want to pay more for private care are able to do so. under a true single-payer healthcare system (what medicare for all would be and the definition of "universal healthcare") the role of private insurance completely changes and becomes only supplemental to the public system. private insurance would be limited to supplemental coverage and non-essential services (1m+ jobs would be lost from just this). this is because supporters of the universal healthcare system argue that in order for "equity" to be maintained, there cannot be a two-tier system where people have the option to pay more for better essential services, as they think it would inevitably lead to inequality (they claim the public option would not be able to provide the same level of care as the private). this fairytale multi-payer system that sounds great in theory but is practically impossible would also counteract a lot of what it is intended to do. for example a lot of people's main argument in support of universal healthcare is that a single-payer system allows the government to directly negotiate with pharma companies/healthcare providers to lower the costs of things. fragmenting the system into a multi-payer system would make it so private insurers could continue negotiating independently, which would leave the public government service with less leverage. also, for the government to properly handle this fragmentation of countless insurance companies, all with different networks, cost structures, and coverage options, they would have to enact so much government intervention in private businesses that it would basically be like replacing one bureaucracy with another. the government should not have that power, and they definitely do not have that money

 

i'm also not sure where you guys are getting this notion that universal healthcare means that people's claims will not be denied. that is literally comical. the only difference is that instead of insurance companies deciding what claims get accepted, a group of people on each state's health board would do so. procedures this board deem too expensive or not necessary will obviously get denied. and this won't just happen to actually unnecessary procedures. look at the UK for example, where most CCG's (group who oversees public healthcare in the UK) have restricted cataracts surgery as a "procedure of limited clinical value". also, universal/multi-payer healthcare would unequivocally increase wait times for all sorts of services. more than a quarter million people in the UK have been waiting over six months for medical treatment and almost 25% of cancer patients do not start treatment on time despite urgent referrals. when we look at the statistics of survivors of cancer in the US vs the UK (83% of people in the UK live five years after a prostate cancer diagnosis, 97% do in the US), the effects of this are clear. 

 

in the US, free markets work. universal/multi-payer healthcare does not. and even if a multi-payer system in the US was theoretically possible, which it is not, the economic implications are undeniably devastating: https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/costs-national-single-payer-healthcare-system

ma’am this is a thirst thread about Luigi. Write to your local congressman or something 

[That Venice Bitch]

36 minutes ago, shadesofblue said:

catch me if you can...

working on my tan

luigi mangione

...dying by the hand 

 

Dying by the hand

Of an Italian man

In New York City

 

CEOs can wait

Now it’s time to get

Free healthcare

[fl0r1dakil0s]

58 minutes ago, Mer said:

ma’am this is a thirst thread about Luigi. Write to your local congressman or something 

 

[American Whore]

fuck brian and his family, fuck healthcare, and fuck anyone who's a republican pro-capitalist simp. those who say universal healthcare wouldn't work are lying to you because they like money too much and don't understand economics. fuck right off. time and time again, it's been proven to work in nearly every country that's done it. in fact, we pay taxes each year with billions of funds that goes to israel for fun and they provide their people with universal healthcare. be honest and admit, you just like watching your neighbor suffer. if that's you, just say that with your chest.

 

if universal healthcare didn't work, why do we pay for tricare for millions of people in the military and vets? why do we pay for medicare and medicaid? so i can get free healthcare if i'm disabled enough or poor enough, or if i sell my body to the government, but otherwise i have to pay my own way AND pay for someone else's healthcare? make it make fucking sense @fl0r1dakil0s 

[Candy Necklace]

Of course its those two who will do/say anything for attention 

[fl0r1dakil0s]

33 minutes ago, American Whore said:

so i can get free healthcare if i'm disabled enough or poor enough, or if i sell my body to the government, but otherwise i have to pay my own way

 

like.. yeah lmfao

 

33 minutes ago, American Whore said:

those who say universal healthcare wouldn't work are lying to you because they like money too much and don't understand economics. fuck right off.

 

go ahead and show me one study that supports the hypothesis that universal healthcare is feasible in the US