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It’s probably being extensively reworked rather than scrapped completely, though there are precedents for announced albums being scrapped completely.

It’s probably being extensively reworked rather than scrapped completely, though there are precedents for announced albums being scrapped completely.

She probably just wants to appear as an average ‘pretty’ woman in her thirties now, whether in her daily life or on stage. What the forthcoming NFR album cover will look like will tell us a lot and the direction she’s going in. I don’t ever see a return to the “haughty conqueror” of the Paradise era. I think it’s a mistake for her to discard the glamour altogether or almost altogether, but there are precedents in popular music, especially among female musicians and performers. Nico famously destroyed her looks so that she would be taken more seriously by the male-dominated music industry of the era, and Marianne Faithfull did the same thing a little later. Tori Amos, on the other hand, was roundly criticized by fans, feminists and some on the Left for years for having a lot of facial surgery and airbrushing her album covers in the extreme.

There has to be a legitimate, practical reason why the album is delayed and she’s saying nothing. Maybe she’s learned she’s her own worst enemy in that regard, and so has decided to remain mum until everything, absolutely everything, about the new record and the poetry book are ironed out and she, Ben and Interscope are on the same page. IF there was no problem of any kind with NFR, it would have been released by now, unless she has foolishly held it up because of the poetry book. Sadly, NFR, if it has remained unchanged since she finished it, probably feels dated and old hat to her, and she’s probably completely moved on to something else in her enthusiasms. Promoting it now probably seems like torture to her, and additionally, she’s going to be asked endless questions about the delay.

She said so about the time of Paradise’s release in an interview. Thus the ‘sweet child of mine’ lyric as well as the mention of ‘roses.’ If you Google it you might find one or more mentions of it. There was a 2012 Rolling Stone article about the two of them dating, plus she wrote ‘Axl Rose Husband ‘ about him.

I agree. We have no idea what the new album is going to contain. The three tracks released may or may not be on the album—I hope they are not. It doesn’t make much sense for them to be on a ‘new’ album almost a year after initial release in two cases. I also agree the new song sounds like a bop and a banger, and doesn’t seem to fit in with what we’ve heard so far, but it does fit in with her ‘surf rock’ comments from last year. Maybe it will feel ill-fitting the way ‘Summer Bummer’ did on LFL.

There was something about the person in question being a very reclusive rock legend—to me, that sounds like Brian Wilson, founder of and mastermind behind The Beach Boys. He’s got to be in his late 70s now. At one point a few years back, LDR was supposed to appear on his last album, but her participation fell through. He’s been a huge influence on surf music of all varieties. Another rock legend option from a later era with close ties to LDR is Axl Rose. Rose is also ‘reclusive.’ We know LDR loves him and wrote ‘Bel Air’ for him.

The issue with HIADT is that it’s not a pop song, and most of LDR’s fans became fans because of her talent at creating interesting pop music, like VG and ‘Cola.’ For me, she made pop music, specifically pop music, interesting again for the first time in a decade or more. She’s branched out in all directions since, and obviously not completely left the pop field. But while I like HIADT and recognize its artistry, I don’t think it’s pop music. It’s honest, it’s brave, it’s touching, but there’s no catharsis, at least not for me. Despite the ending, it’s kind of flat. I don’t think most people actively dislike it (though no doubt some do), they’re just looking for something more energetic. LDR used to project such a winning quality, such a commanding persona, she was an international sensation and style guru, what happened to all of that? Maybe she’s simply being more ‘real’ or ‘realistic’ now, but I really miss the haughty conqueror she used to be, or pretend to be.

The lyrics might equate being in love with doing time in prison, though that seems rather obvious.

Many were suspicious about ‘Heroin’ too, largely because of the famous Velvet Underground song of the same name and her brief UV-era association with Lou Reed, the Velvet Underground’s founder. I doubt the new single is a cover. Many were suspicious about ‘Heroin’ too, largely because of the famous Velvet Underground song of the same name and her brief UV-era association with Lou Reed, the Velvet Underground’s founder. I doubt the new single is a cover.

Full agree. ‘Color Blue’ is one of her best and most intimate songs ever. Why does she cut so many great tracks from her albums but release weaker songs like some of those on her last three releases? She’s getting like Tori Amos, who, as the years passed, tended to do the same with her best and brightest compositions, which became B-sides or were saved for compilations. To me, ‘Color Blue’ has more intimacy and genuine feeling than even ‘Old Money’ and ‘Terrence Loves You.’ And it’s that exact quality that so many artists tend to lose quickly. Before you know it, they’re releasing saccharine power ballads. I hope we see something like it on NFR.

I think the classic rock lyric and title references in her songs are getting too obvious. They used to be clever and insightful, but now they often seem redundant and lazy. This is one reason I can’t agree that LDR’s lyrics are always sterling. I mean the “I’m your man / Crimson and clover / Stairway to Heaven / Rosemary and thyme / Hotel California / Lay lady lay / Ground control to Major Tom” stuff.

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I think the classic rock lyric and title references in her songs are getting too obvious. They used to be clever and insightful, but now they often seem redundant and lazy. This is one reason I can’t agree that LDR’s lyrics are always sterling. I mean the “I’m your man / Crimson and clover / Stairway to Heaven / Rosemary and thyme / Hotel California / Ground control to Major Tom” stuff.

I think she tried to do it again with 'Groupie Love,' but it didn't work, at least not for me.

I'd like to see some pure, fun pop songs on NFR (or whatever it turns out to be), like 'Radio,' 'National Anthem,' 'Making Out,' 'Go Go Dancer' and 'Meet Me In The Pale Moonlight.' I miss her lightness and humor, the clever lines like those in 'Hollywood's Dead,' which seemed to be full of brief but accurate commentaries on what was going on around her.

I agree, it's one of her most personal and daring songs and places her in Joni Mitchell/Tori Amos territory, but for me, personally, it's not what I look for when I look to LDR. It's not the rawness and vulnerability that is a slight turn off to me, it's just that musically, I don't find any sort of catharsis in the music or by the end. Objectively, I admire it and can see everything valuable and progressive in it in terms of her songwriting, but subjectively, I don't care for it a great deal.

About her songwriting, I agree that it's suffered at least a little. I don't we'll ever get anything as pure or personal as 'Yayo' again, though there were some weak songs on BTD, certainly. About the time of 'Paradise,' she wouldn't have used phrasing, I don't think, like "People are powerful be-ins" the way she did on 'Change,' which mars the song for me, or the way she sang, on 'Coachella,' "..and what about all their parents" in the inexplicable hard manner she did, which jumps out at me every time I listen to it, which isn't often. I wonder where the un-PC LDR has gone, the writer of 'Gods & Monsters,' the more visionary LDR. I like MAC very much, but it does seem 'safe,' 'warm and fuzzy' to me, and at least a slight example of 'virtue signaling.' When we find out how it fits in with the rest of the album, it will probably seem more that way, or less that way.

When the Interscope site lists Lana Del Rey: 'Norman Fucking Rockwell,' and a release date, we'll know for certain that nothing has changed with the album and title, or when there is an official press release. Neither Eclipse speaking to the estate or what Abagail Rockwell wrote in a tweet is hard evidence. We all know anyone can say almost anything on Twitter. If Eclipse was a legitimate journalist working on specific assignment for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal or Rolling Stone, etc., and if he contacted the Rockwell trustees and was given a formal interview, and could prove that and produce even a short article for his employer, that would be hard evidence and news. Short of that, such a claim has to remain in the realm of hearsay, gossip, wishful thinking. In most cases, such organizations do not speak to the press, and certainly not off the cuff to curious strangers about legal issues. He would be given a 'no comment' at best, by phone or in person. This is not a matter of emotion, feeling or what we want to believe, not for me, not for anyone. We're trying to figure out what's causing the delay with the best information, the best hard, authentic information we have. As I have acknowledged, there could be numerous other reasons why the record has been delayed, especially because LDR decided to change her last album, LFL, at the 19th hour two years ago and add and subtract songs.

I don’t know what that quote means to you—it doesn’t suggest much to me. What do “going to Mars” and Trump being president have to do with one another? One is good, one bad? Both unbelievable? Shocking? And saying after both, ‘Norman Fucking Rockwell’ doesn’t suggest anything to me either, unless perhaps she really doesn’t understand much about Norman Rockwell. Contemporary America definitely isn’t like the America of Rockwell’s era. America hasn’t been like his America since JFK was assassinated, so it doesn’t really work, as a punchline, on an ironic level. Some of her lyrics are outstanding, others, like to ‘Groupie Love’ or ‘Freak,’ are rather flat and/or labored. Laws and Legal precedents are not conspiracies.

I don’t know your age or interests, but Norman Rockwell is EXTREMELY famous and well known, as famous and well known as Andy Warhol, just not as critically acclaimed. So that you should hear Rockwell’s name mentioned or bandied about on television or elsewhere in the media is not at all surprising.

Look, she’s making fun of the men who think they are, as artists, ‘so fucking great’ that they think they’re ‘Norman Fucking Rockwell,’ just as she might have said, ‘Pablo Fucking Picasso’ or ‘Jackson Fucking Pollock.’ I don’t think she picked Norman Rockwell specifically as an artist’s name except that it probably fit with the melody, and the number and placement of syllables was right. She could just have used Grandma Moses or Salvatore Dali. Rockwell is not ‘an artist’s artist,’or a fine artist, but merely a well-loved commercial artist. Well-loved by the ‘common man,’ that is, not by academia or the critics, who consider him a magazine illustrator. The album title is definitely not a parody, satire, spoof or lampoon, and it’s not a burlesque either. As three words, it’s a mockery or insult. Your own handle here is a lot closer to a parody, as would be ‘Norman Fuckwell.’ A well-founded lawsuit with fairly clear legal precedents by the Rockwell trustees and/or Hallmark is not a conspiracy. I’m not saying that the album will not be called NFR, I am saying the album title (and title song, if any) are the most likely reasons for the album delay, regardless of what a Rockwell family member says now or what LDR says either. If you were LDR, would you want to have to tell the world, “Well, when I named and announced the album, I was being thoughtless, ignorant and headstrong, and persisted and persisted regardless, but finally had to give into overwhelming pressure and legal threats from multiple fronts and so have had to scrap the title, the title song, and all the printed album art, and had to go back into the studio for half a year and am now calling the new result ‘Happiness Is A Butterfly.’ Would you want to attempt to come up with a better, face-saving explanation and be mocked or have to eat humble pie in front of the entire world, music industry and fandom?

If you believe placing the word ‘Fucking’ between anyone’s first and last name constitutes a parody, then you don’t know what parody means.

What is parodic about the NFR name? Nothing.