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I don't think that's her in the car with him in that photo, because she was in Europe. I no longer care because it's lunch time

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh She was still with Chase on July 1, 2019 when he posted that, though. Like, she took him to Europe, so- I don't even KNOW anymore, I-

Link, please

People saw her and Sean together, so I think they definitely met up ... hopefully just as friends. Whatever, though. We can all agree that all of this is really bizarre "Tulsa Jesus Freak: White Hot Forever" and she's listening to Tove Lo in Sean Larkin's car with her shirt still buttoned in that controversial way. More than enough crack for the day, whew Context, please

Okay but it's good that she stayed at a hotel instead of at Seany's Right? Right?

I mean it seems that she definitely was in Tulsa and had dinner with Sean, so I don't know. Would you write a diss track called "Tulsa Jesus Freak" about someone and still have dinner with them? Whatever. If she's back with him, it's her problem ... (and it will be her problem because it will look so fucking bad in the current social/political environment and with all the attention she'll get when she drops a spoken word album, a book, and an album in quick succession ...)

A big CHEERIO to Jack if he's reading ... we owe you one I'm not 100% convinced they're not back together but I live in hope

Who would've thought that JACK ANTONOFF would save us all

Disagree. Not everyone will just stan blindly forever - when she does distasteful or problematic shit, it affects her likeability and when you like someone less, you may become less invested. When you're less invested, guess what you stop doing? You stop buying shit, going to shows, and so forth. That equals loss of revenue. She's a public figure, and shit she does matters (regardless of if you agree with whether or not it should matter). You can argue that she's been successful in spite of all her shenanigans, but none of us will ever know how much more successful she could've been without them. IF she's still dating him, then it makes her attendance at BLM protests, etc, seem very performative and will almost definitely affect her public perception. By extension, it could affect how successful all of her upcoming projects are.

You believe whatever you want, bro - my point is - you don't get to tell other people what to discuss or believe. As an aside, there are quite a lot of stories about Sean's drug use (I'm not saying they're true, just that they exist).

Oho right. Mmhmm. Being in a tumultuous relationship (or even, a non-tumultuous one) could also affect her performance on stage by that logic, so ...

Aren't you the same person who started threads about Lana's dietary habits and the type of car she drives? So all of that's okay, but you draw the line at people discussing her relationships? Interesting. Also, the comment about fans camping out in her garage ... I don't see anyone here implying that they would ever do that (and I hope to God nobody here ever would). Discussing her relationship is not nearly the same as stalking her; I'm not even sure how you made that jump, but it's quite yikes that you did. Pleeeease stop acting like you have the authority to tell other people what to talk about because you have a relative who was in the music industry/you attend car shows/whatever else. Discussion board = discussion. And you're not a moderator.

Um, no. You don't get to tell me what I was saying or thinking. You also don't get to tell people what to talk about here, and please stop pushing your opinion as fact. It isn't. Nobody knows for sure either way, including you. If you don't wanna talk about her relationships, then don't?

Exactly. Great post.

I literally wrote, "I'm not saying that she's a shitty person". Don't @ me if you're not going to read what I wrote. Thanks.

IMO, to an extent Grimes must agree with, or at least turn a blind eye to, Elon's bullshit. For me, it's the same deal as with Lana: I still like her music, but it affects how I perceive her as a person when she dates someone who is obviously of questionable character. An artist's personal beliefs and actions matter a lot to some fans, and not at all to others. I'm somewhere in between. I am not a fan of Sean, but I also know it's unlikely to last, especially because they have already clearly broken up at least once, so

Huh? What has censorship got to do with it?

False. It directly influences her music. Not to mention that most people don't like to think that the artists they stan are shitty people (and I'm not saying she is a shitty person, just that it affects my overall perception of her).

Okay but one would expect to see some sort of positive personal growth, rather than negative. And before we do the nOt aLl cOpS aRe bAd thing, I have dm's that people from Tulsa sent me on Twitter about how he allegedly put people's lives at risk to get out of that indictment, and all sorts of other shit. He's NOT one of the good ones ... he does NOT get it ...

Bro, chill. Nobody knows for sure either way, but it absolutely will be discussed whether you like it or not, because it has implications for her music and career.

Yeah the attempt to go all natural (no dye, no fillers, no vape) could be because she's planning on- No. I'm not sayin' it.

Well it's over Me, looking at the "evidence" on this thread:

Trainwreck relationship aside, "Tulsa Jesus Freak" implies that she knows about all the stuff that is said about her going to church and dating him ... and most of that is on here and Twitter. She definitely reads our shit, at least occasionally.

Probably Lana, with her left leg

This is supposed to be a time of great joy and instead, our joy is tarnished because ACAB ugh However, I'm going down with the fucking ship and remaining in denial.