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  2. Posted

    47 minutes ago, barttttender said:

     

    Definitely fans' views will vary on this. Many agree that BB is super disjoined - especially when you consider some songs are new and some are a decade old, and the album goes from almost ambiental music like Blue Banisters to some dub-step nonense like Interlude - The Trio, in a span of a few songs. The myriad different producers doesn't help.

     

    For me, even Lust for Life is more cohesive than BB. But to each their own. Respect your opinion.

    Its curious because the variety -more precisely, the fact that she made it work somehow- is maybe the thing I like the most about BB. I wasn't pleased when all of the leaked songs were anounced, yet found myself loving how they flowed with the new ones once the record was released. Particularly The Trio, Dealer and WW's ending are key to the dynamics of the record for me. They add character and momentum without sounding out of place. But that's my point of view, of course. 

     

    Love being able to discuss perspectives in such a constructive way.

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  3. Posted

    4 hours ago, barttttender said:

     

    I loved the song when I first heard it. Felt like a Norman Fucking Rockwell outtake that would have fit perfectly on it.

     

    But then two things: it's kind of out of place on Ocean Boulevard. The production, the lyrics, the vibe: it doesn't correlate with anything else on the record. Except maybe thematically (family). So, it's not the song I go to when I want to listen to the record.

     

    Secondly, it just doesn't have much staying power. It's a great song, but kind of wears out after 5-10 listens. Not sure what it is about it. 

     

     

    You're probably the only person in the world who feels this way though. Norman has way better reviews, streams and accolades than any of the successor. Pretty much everyone considers it an American classic. Also, BB a cohesive record? Um, okay

    I know the consensus regarding NFR quite differs from what I've expressed here, but it's valid -and healthy as well- to have a disident criteria as far as it's argumented.

     

    And yes, BB is one of her best constructed records yet for me.

     

     

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  4. Posted

    On 9/10/2023 at 7:30 AM, Pink Flamingo said:

    This might be controversial cus I'm about to bash two Lana's albums, but if Lana hadn't released COCK AND BLUE BLANDISTERS and Ocean Blvd was the album that came out right after Norman, it would've gotten a higher MC score. Critics just got tired of two mid albums.

     

    Ocean Blvd DOES feel like Norman's sister. 

     

    NFR is for me a hundred times more "mid" than COTCC or BB. Both of the latter had cohesiveness, a defining sound and aesthetic, none of which I've been able to found on NFR even 4 years after its release. Not a hater of the album, but I think its just nonsense to say that its sucessors are worse.

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  5. Posted

    1 hour ago, evalionisameme said:

    Sigh I feel this take is very reductive sometimes- Born to die is in no way lyrically inferior to NFR thematically or otherwise- if critics and fans till this day still can’t get over polished visuals, nice outfits and production- well I just feel in some cases it’s misogynistic and aligns with the 2013 ideals of an ideal feminist like how Beyoncé was slated but not now  because those critics would be labelled as racists or ignorant.

    But its not a matter of being thematically superior or inferior. I'm not the biggest fan of BTD's lyrics in terms of how much affinity I can develop towards them, but they are undoubtedly precise and effective at pursuing their purpose: to depict the opulence and grandiosity of north american elite's dynamics and a certain way to experience relationships which, even if controversial, was and is absolutely real for many, many people.

     

    It isnt less true, anyway, that time and artistical growth has helped Lana to find a new quite critique and nuanced way to approach to that same reality and that she isn't anymore canonising it, but making it accountable for its uncountable flaws and problematics -many of which she has found herself to be a victim of, or at least to have been exposed to them and their toxicity-. 

     

    There's nothing wrong with pointing at how Lana's sight is now quite more broad, rich and wide than it was at her beginnings. If anything, it is a compliment aimed at an artist that has fought hard to evolve and to become who she is nowadays.

     

     

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  6. Posted

    8 hours ago, bigspender said:

    i mean wouldn’t lana basically agree tho? she makes 100% different music than she used to and i think the reasoning could be similar to this. 

    Totally agree.

     

    Lana has built a legendary aesthethic and a solid artistic proposal thats highly referenced to a world as problematic as no less than Hollywood itself. Even herself has stated strong critics agains that microcosmos along her career and has matured her views on it until deconstructing it and tearing it apart to find new paths (all the hype regarding NFR among the critics was mainly from that interpretation of the record). 

     

    I dont get the point of pointing Ethel for stating nothing but the sheer truth.

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  7. Posted

    On 9/8/2023 at 2:46 PM, china doll said:

    wait this album gets hate? from lana's own fans?? what's there to hate about it???

     

    Most of the critics I've seen are regarding its lack of promo and the fact that there are many previously leaked songs in it, or that the songs aren't as upbeat as some wanted.

     

    Still haven't seen a rational argumentation on why it isn't a good project though.

     

    Two years after its release it remains Lana's most powerful and beautiful record for me.

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  9. Posted

    On 9/8/2017 at 12:30 AM, SlowGinFizzzz said:

    I know a few of their songs, but I've never gotten around to immersing deeper into their discography. Can somebody suggest me some really good tracks to start with?  :creep:

     

    Laika, Afterlife, Mountains beyond mountains, Rabbit Hole, We exist, Wake Up, Reflektor.

     

    Their most accesible records are, from my point of view, Funeral and The Suburbs. My personal favourite is maybe Reflektor.

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  10. Posted

    Been following AF for a decade and got to finally see them live last week. 

     

    Not just their music is some of the best work released this century, but their live is more than outstanding as well.

     

    Couldn't be more invested in their artistic proposal right now. Highly reccomend to anyone who hasn't got into them to give their music a chance.

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  14. Posted

    On 9/4/2023 at 9:06 AM, Honeytrails said:

    I don’t think it’s that serious… But that album isn’t good in the slightest and yeah that lyric is cringe 

    Na it's one of her best records and that lyric -and song- are terrible as well, they aren't uncompatible.

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  15. Posted

    1 hour ago, Mer said:

     

    Actually that's fair, IDK it still sounds extremely goofy and weirdly written to me 

    Sounds like a teenager trying to sound deep at high school. Love Lana's music and artistry to the core, but her circumstancial goofiness is just part of it as well.

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  20. Posted

    On 8/18/2023 at 2:50 PM, GeminiLanaFan said:

    the Summer I Turned Pretty has How to Disappear playing during one of the scenes of the last episode of season 2. I’m surprised to find it very good right now (I’ve struggled with the final mix of that one since day one TBH). I always thought  the verses’ lyrics were so incredible but the production gets better over time I guess. :flutter:

     

    One of the true highlights of the album. They took risks with that and ended up creating a truly unique sound.

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  21. Posted

    7 hours ago, Embach said:

    I feel like if 24 was on James Bond people would have got more attention.

     

    I love 24 so much, it's so goooooooooooood

     

    "If you lie down with dogs then you'll get fleas

     

    Be careful of the ones you choose to leave "

     

    🔥💜

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  25. Posted

    On 8/15/2023 at 10:19 PM, barttttender said:

    lmao

     

    Well, I'm not gonna lie and say everything is terrible. The album has a few bright spots, mainly Black Bathing, Arcadia, If You Lie Down Next to Me, Wildfire, and Thunder. I can live with the title track as well. (Though none of the songs has entered my top 50, even prefer Hollywood Bowl to any of them, for examples).

     

    If the whole album had that quality, it woulda been fine. But instead, we got Interlude (the Trio), a bunch of recycled unreleased songs that no one wanted, and utter shite like Beautiful, Sweet Carolina, Violet for Roses, and Text Book (her worst opening tack ever)

     We'll really pray for you, Kathy.

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