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She's laughable at this point. It's already been said - but how hilarious that she saw ONE VIDEO from Lana and now not only thinks she holds the default opinion of Lana's entire catalogue, but it also makes her previous remarks about Lana's "wish I was dead" quote even more egregious. Here's a girl who Ms. Gordon knows zero about, aside from one song and music video, and yet felt comfortable enough to not only lecture her about how to behave but also suggested she follow through with offing herself. What class. Typical aging, out of touch white trash. Put her out to pasture. She's a perfect example of aging ungracefully.

All I have to say is thank god she doesn't listen to some of you guys' advice.

Part of BTD's bad reception was because people had their knives out for her, DUH, but when you compare it with her last 2 albums, it's like night and day. BTD is a classic, but not a masterpiece. Let's keep it real. It has some shit songs on it. Anyway we're getting farther away from what the initial point of this convo was. If you're not letting the commercial stuff affect your opinion, then excellent. But you haven't done a great job of making it sound that way. That's all we're saying.

Not many people agree with that. Look at the reviews of Born To Die comapred to this. Both this and the last album have elevated her to a level of respect that she always wanted. She's said over and over how her primary goal was to be a musician and an artist, one that people enjoyed, not this provocateur, polarizing icon that her fans elevated her to in 2012. She obviously enjoyed playing with jarring imagery back then, but she's been there/done that, and she did the promo circuit back then too, but again, she has said that she does not enjoy it. The fact that you are virtually dismissing her work and her drive as a creator based on her lack of desire to do things she finds unsavory isn't really all that fair. If you want to stan for a pop star that you can brag out to other people (and have that be your primary source of enjoyment), then I can link you to the Toilet Seat boards. But you're here because i assume you connect with Lana, so just let it happen. She's getting further and further away from the Stan Wars culture and you're gonna have to adapt.

And that's fine, but if you guys have frustrations about the way Lana expresses herself or makes her money, they should have a more legitimate foundation to stand on other than "WHY CAN'T SHE SELL ALBUMS LIKE LORDE (((( " Otherwise you really do sound kind of sad.

Thing is, Lorde is kind of a joke, shes not even 18 years old first of all, and she hangs out with idiots like Taylor Swift. People are well aware that she's Lana Del Rey for White Mothers and Children. Halsley will probably go the same route. People aren't stupid. Lana Del Rey originated the image and sound that set off a firestorm of fashion trends and musical trends. Everyone gets called out for copying Lana now, and it's amusing. It's a lot like when Lady Gaga's ripping off of Madonna culminated in a song that no one liked and her career has more or less been an afterthought since. The public has never taken too kindly to second-rate imitations of ANYONE. I can give you maybe another dozen examples too.

Elephant in the room that people keep trying to ignore. I think some people invest themselves in artists for the wrong reasons. Lana would roll her eyes at so many of these posts. If you guys are all under the age of 20 then I'll cut you some slack tho. lol

I think you're letting your investment in commercial success cloud your enjoyment (and to a certain degree, opinion) of her output. A lot of this smacks of being really attached to other people's opinions and characterizations of Lana instead of your own. Which is unfortuante but I notice that a lot of fanbases get caught up in this way of thinking. Most grow out of it eventually and just relax. Living vicariously through pop stars is a bit pathetic but I realize it's a phase. I saw someone make a comparison of Lana and Bjork awhile ago. They're completely different artists, and Bjork is far less polarizing and controversial, but her trajectory was very similar. She started relatively strong considering the material she was putting out. She had a shtick and never veered from it. Her albums are all markedly different, but still rooted in the same world (the alien experimental art world). She's still a household name, but doesn't sell albums and hasn't been a commercially viable artist since the late 90s. Yet critics fall head over heels for her and she still has a very solid fanbase. I see Lana going this route. Lana's refusal to succumb to commercial/mainstream demands the way say, The Weeknd has (arguably her most perfectly matched contemporary) is not somethign to shit on just because you're not happy she's not doing 2012 numbers. You should applaud her for settling into her vision confidently, for not doing things she doesn't want to do (television and interviews), and for being true to herself overall. I guarantee you that if she felt forced to be or do things she wasn't interested in, she'd unravel, like anyone would. I understand the artistic frustrations you have, with lyrics or videos or whatever, but you're going to have to accept that you're in the minority since she's getting the best reviews of her career and despite the bare-bones budget, the last two videos have gotten a great reception too (and this is coming from someone who agrees that the videos have gotten a little unimaginative, but I can still find things to admire about them on a technical level).

Ew fuck

Speaking my language.

Terrence Loves You is beautiful. Wasn't expecting to like it at the start, since it kind of felt like another Honeymoon (I like Honeymoon alright, but it's a bit tiresome)... but by the end I was blown away.

I'm remembering when 70% of this board had their conniptions when the Ultraviolence cover was unleashed. Now apparently everyone loves it. Watch the same thing happen a year from now.

omg stop crying

Then don't.

Oh, and a sidenote - having people agree with you doesn't exactly exclude something you said from being insufferable... just saying. So I would retire that defense. <3 Love you tho mean it. I'm sure you didn't mean to come across negatively.

I don't really think I've posted enough on this forum for you to categorize me as a Lana brown noser. I'm probably 1 of the only ppl who will tell it like it is - Lana has made some pretty dubious artistic choices - a lot of which have come in the past year in the form of lackluster soundtrack singles and 1 glaringly awful music video (Ultraviolence, which there was no excuse for). I just think the culture on here can get pretty hysterical and pompous and your initial post was a great example of that. You may have not meant anything by it but hwatever, you responded to my compliment about the video with that mess, so if you were expecting a polite response it just wasn't meant to be.

Shrug. They wanted that pro-am look. You could easily say that it's an dumb excuse for lazy camera work, but at the end of the day that's what they wanted the video to look like and that's what they created. I love the National Anthem and Shades of Cool video for example but there were certain parts of it that look like they were shot with your cheaper-than-normal film equipment; laziness, budget, or intentional? Probably intentional, and it's really up to you to decide whether you like it or not. But I do think it's stupid for people (not to name any names.... but GangstaBoy) to waltz in citing their "education" as reason to school us on what we should or shouldn't like about these videos. Have a seat, and don't leave it until you've earned the right to.

Oh the obligatory "I study film so yeah" post. How do you know that I don't know shit about camera work, fool? Man, film students are all the same. I used to be 1 myself. Everyone starts thinking theyre David fucking Fincher. It'd be funny if it weren't kind of tragic tbh. ANYWAY, your insufferable post aside, it's obvious they were either working on a small budget or intended the whole thing to look handheld/home video/spontaneous. It's not like they just walked in there and turned on the camera and winged it. They clearly had enough budget for a damn helicopter, aerial shots, and a dolly tracking during the key running scene down the dark railed hallway, so it's not like they couldn't have done a smooth dolly style inside her house as well. So it's natural to assume they wanted a certain look to this. The UV video this is not. So let me translate your post for you: the camera work is not to my liking or taste. As for the random cuts - I'll give you that, it added nothing to the video except break up the pace. But IMO that's a small bone to pick. Anyway carry on, hope you graduate. lol

I feel like a lot of the criticism of this video has been pretty limited to the hardcore rabid fans, to be honest. It's gotten a pretty good reception from everywhere else. There's something to be said for good camera work, a unique concept, and creativity over budget. That's why Lana is so consistent on the video front. Each video has been pretty different from the last. You guys are going to have to deal with the fact that she's not going to make a Ride 2.0 or a Born To Die right out the gate every single time. Been there, done that. It's a great video, but if you were hoping for some daddy-issues/sad bottoms anthem type of visual then you're probably going to be very disappointed with her videography from here on out.

Jesus christ get a grip.

lmao

It's fantastic. The video tho. Can't wait.

fun stuff

It's probably not on sale anywhere becuz it's not the first official single. Just a theory