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I'm commenting here so I can find this easily again.

@Surf Noir Thank you!

How do we know the names of the Siren album tracks for certain?

I love the way Lana has been supporting small businesses, first with the necklaces and now with the heart-shaped "cake" boxes.

Well damn let me get in the forgery business. (I'm joking for the record.)

Or announce a tour because I don't paid until next week and even still I'm broke currently and will continue being broke because one paycheck alone won't solve that.

Well I'm working tomorrow so she better not drop that coke spoon rosary necklace.

I am choosing to believe it is all one person's fault that we didn't get pastel green and pastel pink vinyl and I want them fired. This is my 13th reason. I'm so sad. I had to order my Amazon exclusive "light pink" variant from Amazon UK because I missed the restock on the US site and I'm praying that just maybe the color of the pressings are different depending on the continent.

I am insane this album cycle because for the first time I have disposable income. I've preordered all the vinyl variants besides the standard. When the Spotify Exclusive LP sold out on the US site I asked a British family friend if one of his family members could provide a shipping address within the UK. His brother said yes and he'll ship the vinyl to me in the US when it arrives. It's all very conflicting because while it brings me joy, the environmental impact of vinyl production and general consumerism makes me sad. I hate how capitalistic the music industry is. I rarely buy things that are non-essentials, don't drive a car, don't own many clothes either (I have 3 pairs of jeans for pants), etc. I like to think it balances out. Still very privileged of me, I know.

I found tons of "you're going behind Blondie's back like Scooter Braun" sentiment today so you were correct & I did speak too soon.

I haven't seen any Swifties on Twitter losing their shit over this crowdfunding situation and I'm surprised. When Midnights leaked they were all giving lectures about how listening to the leaked songs would break Taylor's heart. I guess it's being kept under wraps well enough?! It's pretty available if you look for even 5 minutes though. $3,000 is the quote for All the Girls, correct? I hang out on the Gaylor side of the community on Twitter so I likely wouldn't be exposed to that type of self-righteous Swiftie anyways.

Damn. I found this thread almost a year later. Lana fans not on Lana Boards are losers and deserve nothing good in the world. I felt this way before and even more now. My truth is that gatekeeping is completely valid. If you haven't spent hours downloading & obsessing over unreleased tracks and organizing them by recording dates, or spent sleepless nights considering the enigma that was Lizzy Grant, or shared Google Docs/Spreadsheets about the lore, or know about u/Hotsummerlilac, etc. you don't deserve rights! I'm totally joking... I'm editing to add that I know I sound insane and toxic and I'm really not. I'm parodying myself as if I were a completely rabid fan, à la Swiftie Twitter user. The only part I'm serious about is that Lana fans who are not on Lana Boards are losers but that's sometimes. Not all the time. And that I believe in gatekeeping.

Does anyone think that the Amazon Light Pink vinyl will be restocked on the US site? I know it's already been restocked once but I couldn't afford it then. It says, "Temporarily out of stock. We are working hard to be back in stock as soon as possible," but maybe that's just the default.

I got the boxset with the black hoodie... or so I thought. When I checked the confirmation order email and my bank statement it said I bought the boxset with the black shirt. I've cancelled the order. Once I revisited the boxsets to see what was inside, it turns out the boxset is just the shirt/hoodie and the standard cd in a fancy box. Bullshit. I got ahead of myself and figured it'd be something like all the previous boxsets. I have a feeling more stuff will be announced between now and March 24th, so I'm going to wait.

Does anyone know perfumes Lana has worn or wears besides Creed Spring Flower and possibly Gucci Guilty? Are there any photos of dressing rooms or vanity tables of hers to reference perchance?

Yay! Thank you for this.

It's objectification.

My main problem is that the newer fans seem to take her lyrics too seriously to a damaging point (in my opinion) because they're shaping other newer fans' "knowledge" of Lana lore. For instance, I saw a post on Reddit the other day that was "dissecting" Carmen and said Lana was a prostitute like it was a fact. I think the post got deleted thank god. There is no evidence of that. Sex work is not something that is shameful but I still think it's wrong to be saying that about people when all there is to go off of is lyrics of a song.

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. -- What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction. On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates. This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol.

Thanks. It seems like some things we will never know for sure. I'll keep sleuthing but I think I've exhausted all leads. Maybe I'll look more into Arthur Lynn and angiescreams. I wish he hadn't deleted his blog. Ugh. One more question. Is it safe to say that songs exclusively The Rich Whores tracks are "It's Not You, It's Just Me" and "Me & My Boyfriend"? I know "Me & My Boyfriend" is considered an outtake of aka by some because of the confirmed studio version. The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant/Lana Del Ray projects overlap... Hmmm. Frustrating. I found this in the Early Shows FAQ: "While she played a number of shows with the members of The Rich Whores/The Phenomena (a large portion of which comprised the line-up of angiescreams), the July 7, 2007 Cutting Room show was the only one billed as Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena, and only on their ReverbNation page. Every other show they played and every other reference to that show billed the band as Lizzy Grant. While a Jezebel Music write-up plugging her November 14, 2007 performance at Laila Lounge references "a full band, The Rich Whores", it does not appear the band shared billing."

Help! I have several questions. Sorry! Was Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena before The Rich Whores and do we have a date of when the transition happened? Was there a reason? What is the difference? The ReverbNation page for Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena said, " Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar." When Lizzy's myspace url was therichwhores the band line-up was Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. Was the difference the band line-up? Also, I've seen the July 9th, 2007 performance at The Cutting Room being confused as both a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performance and The Rich Whores performance. Per ReverbNation it was a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performance. Is there a separate performance date listed as being The Rich Whores performance people are talking about? Where did the full length The Rich Whores rehearsal session recordings of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo” happen? Was it the same date and location as the snippets of “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” performed live with The Rich Whores? Does the studio version of "Me & My Boyfriend" that was produced by Kahne feature The Rich Whores or was it only Lana? Is The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape? Thank you in advance!

Thank you all for the love!

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see. Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release, “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL. I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.” Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.” http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784 In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her. Nevertheless, these things are for certain: Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009 In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. Next. On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae. http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939 http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934 http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432 According to Kalae, she had her own verses. However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!” Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name. https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147 https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090 https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779 https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110 Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.” Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022. https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810 She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281 Edited for links to sources!