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she was always very pretty though. even at her least attractive (in my opinion) a man still called her an 'extraordinarily beautiful woman'. now she's just unreasonably, almost cartoonishly beautiful. but all those surgeries were a result of an insecurity or (thirty). it makes sense to me that she'd be with men less attractive than her. i'm sure that 'those' guys show her an unusual level of adoration and appreciation. maybe she likes to hold a certain power in her romantic dynamics, where she always remains the commodity? who knows why. but i know she's stated somewhere (on twitter) that she doesn't generally like guys that 'know' they're cute. i'm assuming its partially because she understands, from her own personal experiences that 'knowing' can fuck a person in the head

i don't think its about 'achievement' to her. i think part of her just likes the attention. who doesn't want to feel attractive? i say she's histrionic because i'm pretty sure she's fucking with people when she's licking her lips, working her way around an ice cream cone, speaking like a slutty infant, etc 

i hope that i'm not stressing people out. it seems as if i like to talk about things people don't always seem to be comfortable talking about. the "underbelly" of humanity, i suppose you could say. its interesting, but can get a bit draining i realize. so please don't take what i'm saying too seriously -- these are merely my own observations and attempts at understanding her peculiar behavior, and why she lies and acts out in the way(s) she does. and its nice to generate discussion on lana in a more theoretical sense i guess =p 

i think we should revive @@Moniker's thread about whether or not she'd be as loved if she weren't so beautiful. because i also wonder -- would she be as crazy if she weren't so beautiful? so histrionic (re: lip licking)? so vain and narcissistic (re: lyrics)? so paranoid and pessimistic (~anti me)? i kind of feel like the root of her insecurities / neuroses / eccentricities stem from the seemingly vast disconnect between her outer appearance and her inner world -- and the resulting disconnect between the way people perceive her and the way she actually is. i think this interviewer puts it best: 

"she is capable of shifting swiftly from a kind of coltish innocence (*2) to vampish knowingness (*1). It’s a quality that is hard to pin down ... a kind of doubleness, a sense of duality and merging contradictions. She is a person into whom you can read a lot."

(1) -- at 2:20 ... after the guy 'woops' at her, notice that knowing little "ha" she does. it didn't require any thought, and it barely phased her. it was rapid, like a reflex. she knows what she does to people -- men in particular 

(2) on the other hand ... if you listen (to the interview below) from the beginning you sense that their interaction is full of sexual tension. not surprising since she's cooing more so than speaking. he's pretty forward at one point, asking if she ever takes people back to her room after shows or something (1:50) and lana like, yelps in surprise lmao. but then a few minutes later... he's like, oh, well i love the visuals and the palm trees on stage; so much so that i spent an entire song watching the screen instead of you (5:45). she's like ... oh, yea, yea, ok, blah, sonically, blah ... its good that they're there cause ... it... they... uh... [sad voice] you can look at them instead [/sad voice] 

http://www.novafm.com.au/video/tim-blackwell-interviews-lana-del-rey

so on the one hand she's a true fucking vixen, on the other she's like a fragile ceramic doll. she needs to be loved, admired, adored. at the very least, she wants your eyes to be on her, it seems. how do you reconcile those two characters (jessica rabbit vs. dolores haze) into one person? i mean, i honestly believe that those are both parts of her true personality, and not some character that she puts on. but like i said before -- how must people in her everyday life perceive her? how do you trust that person when you can't understand or process their fundamental energy? if you notice, some of her lyrics are narcissistic praises of her own beauty right before she tosses some acid in 

a large portion of her lyrics are heavily rooted in her beauty and how others perceive her beauty. it kind of shows how powerful / sickly pervasive that aspect must be in her life. on the one hand, its why some people are so drawn to her. on the other, its why some people are so repelled by her. its not like she has some obnoxious personality -- she's usually pulled back and rather reserved in her demeanor. so its like, how do you deal with that kind of hate? having a genuine ~anti me perspective? no wonder she seems bipolar -- adoring and grateful with fans when she's being admired vs. arrogant, elitist, and pessimistic when she's being criticized. on the one hand, she has to wonder: do people -love- me for my talent or my beauty? will they still love me...? or, do people -hate- me because of my beauty, in spite of my talents? (this has definitely been the case, especially in the beginning of her career)... she must wonder -- if they don't acknowledge my singing or songwriting, is it because they can't look past my face? or is because i don't even have talent? this might sound reductive, or shallow even, but i think there's a bit of truth along these lines. because like i said before, people seem to be ruled by their emotions and their emotions are rarely fueled or supplemented by logic. and nothing can surpass your brain and hit you in the stomach (or nads) faster than a beautiful person. and sadly, beauty tends to garner a disproportionate amount of interest (both positive and negative), and that happens to be a culturally / temporally transcendent fact

all i'm saying is, it must be stressful to draw such vitriol from people for no reason other than how you look. it must be painful and irritating to have your talents refuted for reasons other than an actual lack of talent. i feel like she has to downplay her focus on looks because people will automatically deem her to be superficial. there are lots of things she has to be careful about doing or saying -- because like the interviewer says; she's the type of person you can read a lot into. people are going to be quicker with their snap judgements. and if you're uninformed or unfamiliar with her or any of her work, you're likely to hold a very wrong opinion

TL;DR -- beauty spurs a wide range of emotions in people. can it play a negative role in a person's development? distort perceptions of themselves and the world around them? fragment your personality? am i stressing people out?

~jinx~ 

:pinch:

*swings across a monkey bar*

I know I already replied to this thread, but that was before actually reading other people's two cents. That being said, I am SO incredibly sad to see some of Lana's fans bring her down like this. Yes, this was a more open, less careful interview, but that doesn't mean that she's the horrible person that a few of you are making her out to be. I also think that some people are over-analyzing the comment about her and Barrie appreciating the arts or whatever the direct quote was (I haven't read it since yesterday, but my point remains.) because she never once said that she only listened to obscure music that no one's heard of. Of course she's going to love the classics. If they didn't have special qualities about them, they wouldn't be classics! I think what she was getting at was the fact that maybe her and Barrie GET it ('it' being the art and the music, etc.) a little more because they're both obviously very passionate artists and singer/songwriters. Lana and I could listen to the same song, but she'd probably have a different take on it than I would because I'm not an artist. I guess all I'm trying to say is that I'm upset Lana's fans are acting this way and I don't think she was really being pretentious. 

you shouldn't get so sad and/or upset -- the reason we are all here is because we feel connected to her in some way, and to some varying degree. there's a strong emotional investment in her. while i wouldn't say that she's a friend (because there is a difference between being a stalker and a psycho), i will say that i when i -do- have a (real, physical) friend, i put an emotional investment in that person. so if we hear (or read) something from that person that we disagree with, well, its ok to disagree. i fight with my friends every now and then. the worst or most dangerous kinds of relationships are the ones where you can't tell the other person to go fuck their own ass and die. constant harmony is not possible or recommended. but again, i'm a bit of a cynic

just because you disagree with someone or your perspective on that person gets shifted in a different direction doesn't mean your feelings for them necessarily have to change. since she's still a celebrity, and really, more of a distant entity in our lives, we're probably even less likely to allow negative opinions to influence our overall feelings. because no matter what she says none of it really changes the music. and i'm pretty sure she's got some fans for life. but music isn't the only aspect i adore. i think i love her. like, really. capital letters, hand-signing, hue-changing L-O-V-E. so as a result, i'm gonna call her a bitch when she's being a bitch. but whatever, she can say or do what she wants to fucking say or do. i don't really care, but it doesn't mean i won't have an opinion about it. interviews will always offer another glance into her as a person (whether intentional or not). and i'm not gonna lie, i'm very interested in her as a person. everyone here is, no? 

i don't think anyone here is making her out to be a horrible person. a child, maybe. but part of me thinks that no one ever really grows up, as a result of everyone still being controlled by their emotions (whether they realize it or not) ... anyway, she's just a fucking spaz NBD KK

"i'm a psycho!" 

*nah, but rly guys. i'm like, crazy and shit k. so make sure you put that on the cover n' everything*

i agree; she shouldn't have to answer personal or grating questions. some of these questions in particular aren't even just grating -- they seem really transparent. like, "do you have opinions on healthcare reform, or . . .?" to me, that question in itself is out of scope, irrelevant, and judgmental / condescending in undertone (especially when paired with those fucking ellipses). this is an artist interview in 'electronic beats' magazine, not some 20-something cocktail party or a med school interview in the caribbean. like, to me, it seems as if she's trying to gauge her intelligence and/or expose her ignorance. can you imagine the interviewer asking florence welch that same exact question? kanye? beyonce? pretty much anyone else? i don't think so. but i also think i might be a tad bit cynical ... 

lana probably doesn't know shit about politics. but she doesn't want or deserve to have that fact exposed to the world. it kind of seems like that question was a calculated one. there was no smooth or necessary segue between american imagery ---> obama ---> healthcare

i think this is basically how the interview went now that i've had time to overlanalyze the absolute shit out of it --

interviewer:       

lana:       

her personal life is, in a way our business because she -wants- to share her 'story' and share parts of herself with the public. its largely about the music and 'making her life into a werk of art', but the thing is, all of her songs are about her in some way. her lyrics are very personal, and its interesting to try and figure out which of the characters (or pieces of them) are real or imagined. you don't personally need to know her to make (some) connections about who she is and where she's coming from; the clues are already there in all 700 of her songs

ride (frankie barretso remix) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E3NWdtwrgg

young & beautiful (kulkid remix) 

elvis (sebastian boldt remix) -- this could have been amazing, but he only used half the song so it gets repetitive 

gods & monsters (butterflies remix) -- so dark so good 

video games (we don't belong in pacha remix) 

this gesaffelstein remix is like another song in itself - so- good 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kuBRHRjdc

I think she was really high. And that she's always talking sheer nonsense.

It really pains me. But sometimes I feel as if she was fake as a thousand dollars bill.

And I love her.

But I think she's a big fat liar.

even though i'm quoting your post this isn't necessarily a response to it. the (common) perception of her being 'fake' and a 'liar' just got me thinking. i mean, i get why people think these things. and she is a liar. but not always, and not completely? anyway, i just love lanalyzing her in the head i guess

you know i have a friend or (three) that specifically do not trust any girl that they find to be beautiful? i'm not saying that they're right or wrong i'm just saying i have them. one of them is a guy and has insecurities about them cheating, the other two are girls (ENFP, ENTJ) and they just assume that they're manipulative or conniving or at least more likely to be so. i don't think thats an uncommon thing. everyone has insecurities, even lana. especially lana? seems to me like pretty girls can sometimes be the most insecure. but also the most confident. or at least the ones i've known (and known of). see how there's already an inherent contradiction that's probably confusing to her and those around her? given that she has those 'abilities' to see the world, eat cake, see what other people don't -- she probably also sees the darker sides of humanity too. she probably sees (and is the target of) other people's insecurities because she inadvertently draws them out. she's smart, quiet, and beautiful; i imagine that a combination like that would draw very strange / very pessimistic / very cautionary 'energy' from (some, but not all) people. over the course of 27 (?) years though, that number of negative interactions or realizations probably adds up. she's probably internalized that energy and its probably made her feel guilty, or something?

"i don't wanna think i'm wrong -- just for feeling pretty"

she's probably all defensive / adolescent / emo cause she's consistently being ~misunderstood by the world and the (american) public. funny that this is the 2nd gramma quote that's been relevant to this discussion. maybe that's the song that's most true and most personal for her, like trailerparkdarling said. i mean ... there are like 7 (?) videos. not sure if i'm just building up a house of cards in my head lmao

this is why i think she's an INFP -- she gets really, really, really sensitive to everything in her environment because she's able to intuit / draw connections from really abstract or subtle details that eventually influence her mental and/or emotional state. i mean -- hanging up on a (phone) interview for no specific reason other than a 'feeling' is kind of ... dramatic. but maybe she just feels strongly? 

"I think we should just end this because, I don't know. I feel like you don't really like it."

so it could be something as simple as like, a micro-expression or an inflection in tone of voice, a shift in body language, etc. or its just another person's energy, or the energy in the room, in the atmosphere -- which can't really be defined in any logical way. ever walk into a room thats neither dark nor bright, but the way the light hits your surroundings, it just makes you feel weird? or like, when you hear a song, and see a color... you don't know why, it just happens. you can try to explain it away all fucking day but you'll never know the true reason why you see or feel what you see or feel. i think the same can be applied to any situation. the energy from this room makes me feel grey. the energy from this person makes me feel pink. of course that's really simplistic, but just as examples... because maybe that's what happens to her, on some level? like, this interviewer is giving me shit vibes, so i'm gonna react in this way because shit brown brings out my shit green. i'm high as fuck. i think she's really attuned to her surroundings, and this level of perception just causes her to spaz out every now and then. everyone knows that feeling of being overwhelmed. its like pulsating / buzzing / dizzying and then at a certain point, in certain situations, or with certain people, you just shut down and you're no longer yourself. or functional at all. i imagine that being in the neverending spotlight would cause your personality to seem fragmented for sure 

if britney shaved her head and wielded an umbrella ... what is lana going to do? pls don't cobain urself bby

*brb, symbolically killing myself*

maybe she was already a bit on the defense before the interview even started, given that (like she says), this is the first american publication that she's done in a while. and it was done with a woman (w/ no profile picture). i'm pretty sure her whole ~anti me theory is like 70% female related. and to be fair, the interviewer did come off a bit condescending / short with her at the beginning (IMO). not sure how this was conducted, but i'm assuming it was over the phone where intonation can still play an anxiety provoking role. if i asked someone a question and they responded with a 'no . . .' i'd feel like i was being stabbed with a condescending needle 

'you think you're a gypsy' 

'your music and your image often seem inseparable'

'because there does seem to be a disconnect between your public image and . . .' 

'do you have opinions on healthcare reform, or . . . yeah? lets hear them' 

and so on. i mean, i can't decide if i think the interviewer is being callous or if i appreciate (both) the line of questioning and the way in which she asked. even if i don't particularly love this side of lana, it was still a strong and (somewhat) interesting reaction. it shows (yet) another side of her personality. i think when lana feels backed into a corner with a heavy-handed line of questioning, she feels the need to wave her dick around cause she knows its the biggest one in the room. oh i had ~millions of shows to book. most people aren't as interesting or ~deep as barrie and i

as for having some kind of personality disorder (re: MBTI)? absolutely. and shades of many -- i'd say histrionic, narcissistic, and borderline for sure. so it must be hard for her; having people constantly trying to define her. trying to reconcile every facet of her being into one clearly defined... thing. these kinds of interviews are interesting for the reader since they're obviously (still) questioning her intellect, character, authenticity, etc... but for her, these kinds of questions must be extremely stressful. i empathize with her situation but i hope she reads this back and realizes that she comes off like an unlikeable bitch 

still lmao that she mentions wanting to kill people. love her so much 

i sense a growing ego ... 

the clips really fit the song. love the flashes of light / the cross cemetery / the hot scruffy guy <3 

were those scenes with the guy from a home movie? they're shot really nicely 

i hear: drop top, ~rawk rawk~ time of our lives

but i hope i'm wrong 

Wow, this is really beautiful! I absolutely love it! 

 

And you used   ! 

thank you <<<3 inspired by ~LB 

YOUNG & BEAUTIFUL (DEMO) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WEsldRzdBY

so. in. love. with. this. song 

omg this thread is gonna take over my life 

the colors are gorgeous. do you think you could maybe post the first one, but without 'the videos' so I can use it for random songs? <3

this is amazing! i'd like to add this commercial for an old ford del rey she included in her (2nd) video for diet mtn dew: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtJZLmKUTUE

she also got her 'del rey' logo from this video, which is fucking creepily amazing btw. wish they'd still air stuff like this lol 

i'm wondering -- why do laptop songs like methamphetamines and crooked cop get removed from my youtube (for copyright infringement) but (unaltered, original files) for songs like disco, trash, elvis, etc don't even get flagged or register under their 'content ID match' 

ha, love the interviewer's off-guard, slightly maniacal cackle after she suggests that they get dinner together

oh lana, the things you do to people

will she continue to do radio shows where she shows up and sings? cause honestly, those are some of her best vocal performances IMO 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjOcqmVDVw0

really want her to do Y&B in some random, backwater studio where she apparently feels no nerve rattling 

Holy shit. I've seen you on Youtube and I fucking love your videos. Discovering you on here just put a smile on my face.

 

 

 

I'm creepy.

I know. 

omg thats not creepy at all lol. but even if it was, i don't really mind a bit of creepiness haha

glad you like the videos <3 

shitney disapproves