LDR Album Process Discussion

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Just now, lilac heaven said:

he has an active account apparently 😭 he just explained himself on twitter and said that the 129 outtakes thing was a misunderstanding and it was actually 129 mixes of the title track, and that Fine China/YTH Auerbach versions were pure speculation his part. which is fair, i just don’t understand why he talked about them like truth 

My issue w people like him is that they act and talk like they’ve heard these songs or that they’ve had access to them. And it’s just to build a following. 
 

i don’t particularly dislike Honeymouns but you can tell he absolutely loves his status of ‘insider’. 

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2 minutes ago, lilac heaven said:

it was actually 129 mixes of the title track

@BlackoutZone sorry for @ u again but could u confirm this?

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1 minute ago, lanaismamom said:

well im done!

 

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INTRO
1) Before I answer anything, I just wanted to say that at the end of the day I am not Lana, I am not in her head, I was not in the room when these songs were made and there is always a tiny bit of chance that I am wrong. Everything I'm revealing is based on (sometimes years of researching) things I listened to, read about or heard from people who worked with her directly. I do find timeliness, demos, drafts etc very fascinating as it gives you some additional cool insight of what was happening behind the scenes so I'll happily join the discussions here

2)TRNS-AM
Starting with the name, I personally never heard of "Trans-Am" being referenced, whether as a song title, album title or some project. Maybe it was a code name Lana used, maybe something insignificant. I did however see Tropico being used interchangeably as LP2/Second studio album form late 2012. I suspect that Lana had a visual idea for it from the start and already was in talks to make a movie for it in early stages. Maybe it went as far as her signing some agreements or label scheduling some timelines that had to be met in order to make the visual happen, but when it approached Lana might have decided she is not ready with the record at all and needs more time to finish it so they made ultimate decision to use the visual for Paradise edition instead. Since the name Tropico was more attached to the visual theme than the album she was making, she changed the album name and kept Tropico for the movie

3) PHOTO OF TRACKLIST 27 JANUARY 2013
What I see here and what seems to make sense by what existed in January 2013 already:
1. Old Money?
2. Black Beauty?
3. ??
4. Lake Placid
5. Summertime
6. Melancholia
7. Jesus (ITTJ)
8. Pink Champagne - this is the original name of Let Me Love You Like A Woman demo
9. Elvis
10. Earthquakes
and further I can't read, but it Guns n Roses, Money Power Glory and maybe Cherry Blossom I'd expect to be on such draft from that time as well

4) WHY PARADISE TRACKS WERENT INCLUDED IN 27 JANUARY 2013
Because it was not planned. She wanted the visual to be made for songs only from the new record. I guess she wanted to launch the album alongside, but when she realized the album was not ready they just decided to use it for Paradise era and create different visuals for LP2 when it's all done.

5) ELVIS
"is elvis a rework of the 2008 laptop demo, or a new song?"
BOZ: Never heard about Elvis being actually reworked, but it's a song Lana remembered if that makes sense. Also wasn't it used for some movie a few years ago, that Lana acknowledged as well? They surely used the "final" existing version there
"yeah, there's no knowledge of elvis being re-recorded or any studio version of it existing, but it's interesting that it's there, i was just wondering if you knew if it was a new song or if it was the "elvis" we already had, if this is the already-leaked elvis, it could've been a different, more complete version, the version that was used in that documentary is the laptop demo"
BOZ: I think this is something she could have planned, but never executed. Even though the picture was from 2013 the notepad writing, could have been a bit older, but either way at that time some of the other songs only existed as voice memos/laptop demos as well. So she just put together what she liked and planned to finish and that's something she kept changing a lot further on

6) TALKING LIKE AN ANSWERING MACHINE
Talking like an Answering Machine is a bit of a mystery to me as well, but there seems to be a higher chance that it's real rather than that it's not

7) MELANCHOLIA
Melancholia uses seemingly the same instrumentation as UV and some parts of the melody, but outside of that it's pretty much a very different song, very rough though.

8) AVE MARIA
Lana did record Ave Maria, it was considered for UV even "after Tropico"

9) PINK CHAMPAGNE (LET ME LOVE YOU LIKE A WOMAN ULTRAVIOLENCE VERSION)
1. bridge originally was pre-chorus
2. completely reworked and stripped from its original cinematic psychedelic production

10) FINE CHINA, YES TO HEAVEN,

YOUR GIRL, I TALK TO JESUS
- I'm gonna do a whole post on Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl, but it's gonna be an essay, cause there is a lot to say, especially in relation to the Eclipse leaked files... I need some time to put it together
- ITTJ is another essay-type post I don't have energy for right now

11) DAN AUERBACH SESSIONS
-Dan Auerbach never produced SYTH or Fine China
-Dan did demos of Pretty When You Cry and Guns & Roses

12) YES TO HEAVEN, FINE CHINA, YOUR GIRL FINALS?
I'm not sure about YTH, but Fine China went as far as being mixed by Rob Orton and it's a Rick Nowels version. Same with Your Girl
But as soon as she came back to work on Honeymoon the first person to touch SYTH again was Rick so you could say the last version of YTH for UV was Rick's (per leaked files though - James Ford version is the latest, from April 2014 I think)

13) I DONT WANNA GO/LAKE PLACID
I Don't Wanna Go / Tonight / Black Leather Moonlight (as annoying as it sounds, all 3 titles are equally correct, you can use whichever one you want) that leaked is from mid 2012, then it was rewritten and re-produced as Lake Placid for Tropico/UV

14) WEST COAST (ROB ORTON MIX)
"why Lana released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3SqUUoJjW8) version of West Coast first, but ended up putting this other mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiInqEFdQk) on the album and also used it for the music video?"
BOZ: The simple answer to this is that Rob Orton, UV's mixing engineer, was still mixing the tracks at the time of WC release and they just attached earlier mix to it. Pretty sure it was even released on streaming later as Rob Orton mix or something

15) PINK FLAMINGOS, GET HIGH, ICE CREAM
"are "Pink Flamingos", "Ice Cream" and "Get High" demos of the released songs off the Honeymoon songs or just title ideas?"
BOZ: I don't recall Get High, but yes the other 2 are definitely real OG titles of the songs so Get High might as well be

16) WEST COAST (RICK NOWELS/RADIO MIX VERSION)
Yes and it's not only that, it's kinda a pattern throughout her career!
Each time Lana wrote a song with Rick, but it was released with/alongside someone else's production, but she still liked the demo, she would finish it with Rick and release as radio mix.

17) IN JUNE 2014 INTERVIEW LANA SAID "RECORD" - WAS SHE REFERRED TO A SONG OR AN ALBUM/EP?
BOZ: Pretty sure that what she said was "I have an idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys to", but I don't know in what context she meant that, I would say it was about the song, but please note that first actual recording sessions for HM with Rick started in September 2014, so everything prior was just ideas

18) DARK PARADISE/SUMMERTIME SADNESS RADIO MIXES a.k.a. RICK NOWELS FINALS
BOZ: Radio mixes of Dark Paradise and Summertime Sadness are both finished Rick demos (alos demo versions for these versions exist)

19) IF YOU LIE DOWN WITH ME
It was properly reworked for Blue Banisters

20) 2013 and 2015 SOUNDCHECKS
I know nothing about this, same with that St. Petersburg soundcheck song. I tried to find out what this was all about, but never reached anything.
What I did learn however is that Lana happens to improvise random things during soundchecks as a form of warm up and I think these might be those cases. But I really don't know

21) AXL ROSE HUSBAND
"apart from Elvis and the ones we already knew of, does Lana ‘remember’ (as you put it) any of her unreleased songs pre-2012?"
BOZ: hmm Axl Rose Husband!
And as you know Methamphetamines turned into Old Money

22) LFL OUTTAKES
"would you be able to spill about witchy lfl outtakes?"
BOZ: What I'll say tho... if you are to manifest some amazing outtakes. Manifest LFL outtakes.

23) WEST COAST LYRICS
""He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love" or "como yo la la""
BOZ: He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love

24) JAMIE XX
Jamie xx did a demo of Old Money as well as Black Beauty in 2013. Sadly it doesn't seem like they worked on original material together

25) +100 SONGS
any claims that Lana made 100+ songs for any album are just wrong

26) NEON SHADOWS
Yeah this surely (edited)

must be wrong (registered), never heard about it

27) REWORKED SONGS
"Do we have "already leaked" songs that we don't know were considered for any albums?
Like I know we already have a shit ton of btd outtakes but I'm guessing there are LOTS of btd outtakes that we already have but we don't even know they're btd outtakes"
BOZ: there are a few, but some would literally collapse on the thought that she reworked that so I'd rather you just be surprised if something leaks one day

28) NEW TITLE
Earthquakes (supposedly late 2012-early 2013)

what we found out a bit earlier

 

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1) MORRICONE AND PIANO THEME
Both are just concept instrumentals for Lana that she never recorded vocals for

2) BORN TO DIE RE-ISSUE
BOZ said that there were supposed re-issue of BTD with some outtakes with Damn You and Hollywood's Dead Finals Versions and probably some more

3) PARADISE
Paradise initially started as album, not EP

4) JFK 
JFK has later unleaked version made after Paradise sessions (late 2012 or early 2013), but she decided to stick with JFK earlier (leaked) version

5) SHADES OF COOL FIRST VERSION
Shades of Cool has "scratchy" november 2013 version (not the rick nowels final) (the first made)

6) Mike (Wild One) was on first UV drafts

7) not from BOZ: leaked versions of JFK, Hollywood, Tonight are all done by July 2012 and made together with Young and Beautiful, Body Electric and American Demos by july 2012

 

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3 minutes ago, lanaismamom said:

well im done!

 

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INTRO
1) Before I answer anything, I just wanted to say that at the end of the day I am not Lana, I am not in her head, I was not in the room when these songs were made and there is always a tiny bit of chance that I am wrong. Everything I'm revealing is based on (sometimes years of researching) things I listened to, read about or heard from people who worked with her directly. I do find timeliness, demos, drafts etc very fascinating as it gives you some additional cool insight of what was happening behind the scenes so I'll happily join the discussions here

2)TRNS-AM
Starting with the name, I personally never heard of "Trans-Am" being referenced, whether as a song title, album title or some project. Maybe it was a code name Lana used, maybe something insignificant. I did however see Tropico being used interchangeably as LP2/Second studio album form late 2012. I suspect that Lana had a visual idea for it from the start and already was in talks to make a movie for it in early stages. Maybe it went as far as her signing some agreements or label scheduling some timelines that had to be met in order to make the visual happen, but when it approached Lana might have decided she is not ready with the record at all and needs more time to finish it so they made ultimate decision to use the visual for Paradise edition instead. Since the name Tropico was more attached to the visual theme than the album she was making, she changed the album name and kept Tropico for the movie

3) PHOTO OF TRACKLIST 27 JANUARY 2013
What I see here and what seems to make sense by what existed in January 2013 already:
1. Old Money?
2. Black Beauty?
3. ??
4. Lake Placid
5. Summertime
6. Melancholia
7. Jesus (ITTJ)
8. Pink Champagne - this is the original name of Let Me Love You Like A Woman demo
9. Elvis
10. Earthquakes
and further I can't read, but it Guns n Roses, Money Power Glory and maybe Cherry Blossom I'd expect to be on such draft from that time as well

4) WHY PARADISE TRACKS WERENT INCLUDED IN 27 JANUARY 2013
Because it was not planned. She wanted the visual to be made for songs only from the new record. I guess she wanted to launch the album alongside, but when she realized the album was not ready they just decided to use it for Paradise era and create different visuals for LP2 when it's all done.

5) ELVIS
"is elvis a rework of the 2008 laptop demo, or a new song?"
BOZ: Never heard about Elvis being actually reworked, but it's a song Lana remembered if that makes sense. Also wasn't it used for some movie a few years ago, that Lana acknowledged as well? They surely used the "final" existing version there
"yeah, there's no knowledge of elvis being re-recorded or any studio version of it existing, but it's interesting that it's there, i was just wondering if you knew if it was a new song or if it was the "elvis" we already had, if this is the already-leaked elvis, it could've been a different, more complete version, the version that was used in that documentary is the laptop demo"
BOZ: I think this is something she could have planned, but never executed. Even though the picture was from 2013 the notepad writing, could have been a bit older, but either way at that time some of the other songs only existed as voice memos/laptop demos as well. So she just put together what she liked and planned to finish and that's something she kept changing a lot further on

6) TALKING LIKE AN ANSWERING MACHINE
Talking like an Answering Machine is a bit of a mystery to me as well, but there seems to be a higher chance that it's real rather than that it's not

7) MELANCHOLIA
Melancholia uses seemingly the same instrumentation as UV and some parts of the melody, but outside of that it's pretty much a very different song, very rough though.

8) AVE MARIA
Lana did record Ave Maria, it was considered for UV even "after Tropico"

9) PINK CHAMPAGNE (LET ME LOVE YOU LIKE A WOMAN ULTRAVIOLENCE VERSION)
1. bridge originally was pre-chorus
2. completely reworked and stripped from its original cinematic psychedelic production

10) FINE CHINA, YES TO HEAVEN,

YOUR GIRL, I TALK TO JESUS
- I'm gonna do a whole post on Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl, but it's gonna be an essay, cause there is a lot to say, especially in relation to the Eclipse leaked files... I need some time to put it together
- ITTJ is another essay-type post I don't have energy for right now

11) DAN AUERBACH SESSIONS
-Dan Auerbach never produced SYTH or Fine China
-Dan did demos of Pretty When You Cry and Guns & Roses

12) YES TO HEAVEN, FINE CHINA, YOUR GIRL FINALS?
I'm not sure about YTH, but Fine China went as far as being mixed by Rob Orton and it's a Rick Nowels version. Same with Your Girl
But as soon as she came back to work on Honeymoon the first person to touch SYTH again was Rick so you could say the last version of YTH for UV was Rick's (per leaked files though - James Ford version is the latest, from April 2014 I think)

13) I DONT WANNA GO/LAKE PLACID
I Don't Wanna Go / Tonight / Black Leather Moonlight (as annoying as it sounds, all 3 titles are equally correct, you can use whichever one you want) that leaked is from mid 2012, then it was rewritten and re-produced as Lake Placid for Tropico/UV

14) WEST COAST (ROB ORTON MIX)
"why Lana released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3SqUUoJjW8) version of West Coast first, but ended up putting this other mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiInqEFdQk) on the album and also used it for the music video?"
BOZ: The simple answer to this is that Rob Orton, UV's mixing engineer, was still mixing the tracks at the time of WC release and they just attached earlier mix to it. Pretty sure it was even released on streaming later as Rob Orton mix or something

15) PINK FLAMINGOS, GET HIGH, ICE CREAM
"are "Pink Flamingos", "Ice Cream" and "Get High" demos of the released songs off the Honeymoon songs or just title ideas?"
BOZ: I don't recall Get High, but yes the other 2 are definitely real OG titles of the songs so Get High might as well be

16) WEST COAST (RICK NOWELS/RADIO MIX VERSION)
Yes and it's not only that, it's kinda a pattern throughout her career!
Each time Lana wrote a song with Rick, but it was released with/alongside someone else's production, but she still liked the demo, she would finish it with Rick and release as radio mix.

17) IN JUNE 2014 INTERVIEW LANA SAID "RECORD" - WAS SHE REFERRED TO A SONG OR AN ALBUM/EP?
BOZ: Pretty sure that what she said was "I have an idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys to", but I don't know in what context she meant that, I would say it was about the song, but please note that first actual recording sessions for HM with Rick started in September 2014, so everything prior was just ideas

18) DARK PARADISE/SUMMERTIME SADNESS RADIO MIXES a.k.a. RICK NOWELS FINALS
BOZ: Radio mixes of Dark Paradise and Summertime Sadness are both finished Rick demos (alos demo versions for these versions exist)

19) IF YOU LIE DOWN WITH ME
It was properly reworked for Blue Banisters

20) 2013 and 2015 SOUNDCHECKS
I know nothing about this, same with that St. Petersburg soundcheck song. I tried to find out what this was all about, but never reached anything.
What I did learn however is that Lana happens to improvise random things during soundchecks as a form of warm up and I think these might be those cases. But I really don't know

21) AXL ROSE HUSBAND
"apart from Elvis and the ones we already knew of, does Lana ‘remember’ (as you put it) any of her unreleased songs pre-2012?"
BOZ: hmm Axl Rose Husband!
And as you know Methamphetamines turned into Old Money

22) LFL OUTTAKES
"would you be able to spill about witchy lfl outtakes?"
BOZ: What I'll say tho... if you are to manifest some amazing outtakes. Manifest LFL outtakes.

23) WEST COAST LYRICS
""He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love" or "como yo la la""
BOZ: He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love

24) JAMIE XX
Jamie xx did a demo of Old Money as well as Black Beauty in 2013. Sadly it doesn't seem like they worked on original material together

25) +100 SONGS
any claims that Lana made 100+ songs for any album are just wrong

26) NEON SHADOWS
Yeah this surely (edited)

must be wrong (registered), never heard about it

27) REWORKED SONGS
"Do we have "already leaked" songs that we don't know were considered for any albums?
Like I know we already have a shit ton of btd outtakes but I'm guessing there are LOTS of btd outtakes that we already have but we don't even know they're btd outtakes"
BOZ: there are a few, but some would literally collapse on the thought that she reworked that so I'd rather you just be surprised if something leaks one day

28) NEW TITLE
Earthquakes (supposedly late 2012-early 2013)

what we found out a bit earlier

 

  Hide contents

1) MORRICONE AND PIANO THEME
Both are just concept instrumentals for Lana that she never recorded vocals for

2) BORN TO DIE RE-ISSUE
BOZ said that there were supposed re-issue of BTD with some outtakes with Damn You and Hollywood's Dead Finals Versions and probably some more

3) PARADISE
Paradise initially started as album, not EP

4) JFK 
JFK has later unleaked version made after Paradise sessions (late 2012 or early 2013), but she decided to stick with JFK earlier (leaked) version

5) SHADES OF COOL FIRST VERSION
Shades of Cool has "scratchy" november 2013 version (not the rick nowels final) (the first made)

6) Mike (Wild One) was on first UV drafts

7) not from BOZ: leaked versions of JFK, Hollywood, Tonight are all done by July 2012 and made together with Young and Beautiful, Body Electric and American Demos by july 2012

 

doing god's work

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3 minutes ago, lanaismamom said:

well im done!

 

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INTRO
1) Before I answer anything, I just wanted to say that at the end of the day I am not Lana, I am not in her head, I was not in the room when these songs were made and there is always a tiny bit of chance that I am wrong. Everything I'm revealing is based on (sometimes years of researching) things I listened to, read about or heard from people who worked with her directly. I do find timeliness, demos, drafts etc very fascinating as it gives you some additional cool insight of what was happening behind the scenes so I'll happily join the discussions here

2)TRNS-AM
Starting with the name, I personally never heard of "Trans-Am" being referenced, whether as a song title, album title or some project. Maybe it was a code name Lana used, maybe something insignificant. I did however see Tropico being used interchangeably as LP2/Second studio album form late 2012. I suspect that Lana had a visual idea for it from the start and already was in talks to make a movie for it in early stages. Maybe it went as far as her signing some agreements or label scheduling some timelines that had to be met in order to make the visual happen, but when it approached Lana might have decided she is not ready with the record at all and needs more time to finish it so they made ultimate decision to use the visual for Paradise edition instead. Since the name Tropico was more attached to the visual theme than the album she was making, she changed the album name and kept Tropico for the movie

3) PHOTO OF TRACKLIST 27 JANUARY 2013
What I see here and what seems to make sense by what existed in January 2013 already:
1. Old Money?
2. Black Beauty?
3. ??
4. Lake Placid
5. Summertime
6. Melancholia
7. Jesus (ITTJ)
8. Pink Champagne - this is the original name of Let Me Love You Like A Woman demo
9. Elvis
10. Earthquakes
and further I can't read, but it Guns n Roses, Money Power Glory and maybe Cherry Blossom I'd expect to be on such draft from that time as well

4) WHY PARADISE TRACKS WERENT INCLUDED IN 27 JANUARY 2013
Because it was not planned. She wanted the visual to be made for songs only from the new record. I guess she wanted to launch the album alongside, but when she realized the album was not ready they just decided to use it for Paradise era and create different visuals for LP2 when it's all done.

5) ELVIS
"is elvis a rework of the 2008 laptop demo, or a new song?"
BOZ: Never heard about Elvis being actually reworked, but it's a song Lana remembered if that makes sense. Also wasn't it used for some movie a few years ago, that Lana acknowledged as well? They surely used the "final" existing version there
"yeah, there's no knowledge of elvis being re-recorded or any studio version of it existing, but it's interesting that it's there, i was just wondering if you knew if it was a new song or if it was the "elvis" we already had, if this is the already-leaked elvis, it could've been a different, more complete version, the version that was used in that documentary is the laptop demo"
BOZ: I think this is something she could have planned, but never executed. Even though the picture was from 2013 the notepad writing, could have been a bit older, but either way at that time some of the other songs only existed as voice memos/laptop demos as well. So she just put together what she liked and planned to finish and that's something she kept changing a lot further on

6) TALKING LIKE AN ANSWERING MACHINE
Talking like an Answering Machine is a bit of a mystery to me as well, but there seems to be a higher chance that it's real rather than that it's not

7) MELANCHOLIA
Melancholia uses seemingly the same instrumentation as UV and some parts of the melody, but outside of that it's pretty much a very different song, very rough though.

8) AVE MARIA
Lana did record Ave Maria, it was considered for UV even "after Tropico"

9) PINK CHAMPAGNE (LET ME LOVE YOU LIKE A WOMAN ULTRAVIOLENCE VERSION)
1. bridge originally was pre-chorus
2. completely reworked and stripped from its original cinematic psychedelic production

10) FINE CHINA, YES TO HEAVEN,

YOUR GIRL, I TALK TO JESUS
- I'm gonna do a whole post on Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl, but it's gonna be an essay, cause there is a lot to say, especially in relation to the Eclipse leaked files... I need some time to put it together
- ITTJ is another essay-type post I don't have energy for right now

11) DAN AUERBACH SESSIONS
-Dan Auerbach never produced SYTH or Fine China
-Dan did demos of Pretty When You Cry and Guns & Roses

12) YES TO HEAVEN, FINE CHINA, YOUR GIRL FINALS?
I'm not sure about YTH, but Fine China went as far as being mixed by Rob Orton and it's a Rick Nowels version. Same with Your Girl
But as soon as she came back to work on Honeymoon the first person to touch SYTH again was Rick so you could say the last version of YTH for UV was Rick's (per leaked files though - James Ford version is the latest, from April 2014 I think)

13) I DONT WANNA GO/LAKE PLACID
I Don't Wanna Go / Tonight / Black Leather Moonlight (as annoying as it sounds, all 3 titles are equally correct, you can use whichever one you want) that leaked is from mid 2012, then it was rewritten and re-produced as Lake Placid for Tropico/UV

14) WEST COAST (ROB ORTON MIX)
"why Lana released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3SqUUoJjW8) version of West Coast first, but ended up putting this other mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiInqEFdQk) on the album and also used it for the music video?"
BOZ: The simple answer to this is that Rob Orton, UV's mixing engineer, was still mixing the tracks at the time of WC release and they just attached earlier mix to it. Pretty sure it was even released on streaming later as Rob Orton mix or something

15) PINK FLAMINGOS, GET HIGH, ICE CREAM
"are "Pink Flamingos", "Ice Cream" and "Get High" demos of the released songs off the Honeymoon songs or just title ideas?"
BOZ: I don't recall Get High, but yes the other 2 are definitely real OG titles of the songs so Get High might as well be

16) WEST COAST (RICK NOWELS/RADIO MIX VERSION)
Yes and it's not only that, it's kinda a pattern throughout her career!
Each time Lana wrote a song with Rick, but it was released with/alongside someone else's production, but she still liked the demo, she would finish it with Rick and release as radio mix.

17) IN JUNE 2014 INTERVIEW LANA SAID "RECORD" - WAS SHE REFERRED TO A SONG OR AN ALBUM/EP?
BOZ: Pretty sure that what she said was "I have an idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys to", but I don't know in what context she meant that, I would say it was about the song, but please note that first actual recording sessions for HM with Rick started in September 2014, so everything prior was just ideas

18) DARK PARADISE/SUMMERTIME SADNESS RADIO MIXES a.k.a. RICK NOWELS FINALS
BOZ: Radio mixes of Dark Paradise and Summertime Sadness are both finished Rick demos (alos demo versions for these versions exist)

19) IF YOU LIE DOWN WITH ME
It was properly reworked for Blue Banisters

20) 2013 and 2015 SOUNDCHECKS
I know nothing about this, same with that St. Petersburg soundcheck song. I tried to find out what this was all about, but never reached anything.
What I did learn however is that Lana happens to improvise random things during soundchecks as a form of warm up and I think these might be those cases. But I really don't know

21) AXL ROSE HUSBAND
"apart from Elvis and the ones we already knew of, does Lana ‘remember’ (as you put it) any of her unreleased songs pre-2012?"
BOZ: hmm Axl Rose Husband!
And as you know Methamphetamines turned into Old Money

22) LFL OUTTAKES
"would you be able to spill about witchy lfl outtakes?"
BOZ: What I'll say tho... if you are to manifest some amazing outtakes. Manifest LFL outtakes.

23) WEST COAST LYRICS
""He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love" or "como yo la la""
BOZ: He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love

24) JAMIE XX
Jamie xx did a demo of Old Money as well as Black Beauty in 2013. Sadly it doesn't seem like they worked on original material together

25) +100 SONGS
any claims that Lana made 100+ songs for any album are just wrong

26) NEON SHADOWS
Yeah this surely (edited)

must be wrong (registered), never heard about it

27) REWORKED SONGS
"Do we have "already leaked" songs that we don't know were considered for any albums?
Like I know we already have a shit ton of btd outtakes but I'm guessing there are LOTS of btd outtakes that we already have but we don't even know they're btd outtakes"
BOZ: there are a few, but some would literally collapse on the thought that she reworked that so I'd rather you just be surprised if something leaks one day

28) NEW TITLE
Earthquakes (supposedly late 2012-early 2013)

what we found out a bit earlier

 

  Reveal hidden contents

1) MORRICONE AND PIANO THEME
Both are just concept instrumentals for Lana that she never recorded vocals for

2) BORN TO DIE RE-ISSUE
BOZ said that there were supposed re-issue of BTD with some outtakes with Damn You and Hollywood's Dead Finals Versions and probably some more

3) PARADISE
Paradise initially started as album, not EP

4) JFK 
JFK has later unleaked version made after Paradise sessions (late 2012 or early 2013), but she decided to stick with JFK earlier (leaked) version

5) SHADES OF COOL FIRST VERSION
Shades of Cool has "scratchy" november 2013 version (not the rick nowels final) (the first made)

6) Mike (Wild One) was on first UV drafts

7) not from BOZ: leaked versions of JFK, Hollywood, Tonight are all done by July 2012 and made together with Young and Beautiful, Body Electric and American Demos by july 2012

 

someone pin this real quick!!! thank you so much for this, you're a lifesaver  

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12 minutes ago, ImenaOphelia said:

 

@BlackoutZone sorry for @ u again but could u confirm this?

The 129 number seems to have come from a 2017 interview with Kieron Menzies and Dean Reid.

 

Under the "Well Turned Out" section of that article:

 

Given that production and mixing is a continuous process for Reid and Menzies and that there’s not an identifiable mixing stage or mixing method, it makes most sense to simply examine the final session to get a sense of what’s there and how it was treated. As the session had swelled to an enormous 129 tracks by this point, it has to be done using a birds’ eye view, with the occasional swoop down to scrutinise some of the more important details.

Spoiler

 

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I've always been a big Pink Champagne believer 

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Just now, Coloringbooks said:

The 129 number seems to have come from this 2017 interview with Kieron Menzies and Dean Reid.

 

Under the "Well Turned Out" section of that article:

Given that production and mixing is a continuous process for Reid and Menzies and that there’s not an identifiable mixing stage or mixing method, it makes most sense to simply examine the final session to get a sense of what’s there and how it was treated. As the session had swelled to an enormous 129 tracks by this point, it has to be done using a birds’ eye view, with the occasional swoop down to scrutinise some of the more important details.

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so it wasn’t even 129 mixes, it was 129 literal session tracks bye lmaoo

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honeymouns has posted in this thread btw just for the record

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Just now, lilac heaven said:

so it wasn’t even 129 mixes, it was 129 literal session tracks bye lmaoo

what does this mean

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4 minutes ago, Coloringbooks said:

The 129 number seems to have come from a 2017 interview with Kieron Menzies and Dean Reid.

 

Under the "Well Turned Out" section of that article:

Given that production and mixing is a continuous process for Reid and Menzies and that there’s not an identifiable mixing stage or mixing method, it makes most sense to simply examine the final session to get a sense of what’s there and how it was treated. As the session had swelled to an enormous 129 tracks by this point, it has to be done using a birds’ eye view, with the occasional swoop down to scrutinise some of the more important details.

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Ha, this changes everything lol. Thank you!

Anyways, some LFL outtakes would be amazing, hoping we get some soon, I truly love that album with a passion and some outtakes would just add to its universe!

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7 minutes ago, lanaismamom said:

well im done!

 

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1) INTRO
BOZ: Before I answer anything, I just wanted to say that at the end of the day I am not Lana, I am not in her head, I was not in the room when these songs were made and there is always a tiny bit of chance that I am wrong. Everything I'm revealing is based on (sometimes years of researching) things I listened to, read about or heard from people who worked with her directly. I do find timeliness, demos, drafts etc very fascinating as it gives you some additional cool insight of what was happening behind the scenes so I'll happily join the discussions here

2)TRNS-AM
BOZ: Starting with the name, I personally never heard of "Trans-Am" being referenced, whether as a song title, album title or some project. Maybe it was a code name Lana used, maybe something insignificant. I did however see Tropico being used interchangeably as LP2/Second studio album form late 2012. I suspect that Lana had a visual idea for it from the start and already was in talks to make a movie for it in early stages. Maybe it went as far as her signing some agreements or label scheduling some timelines that had to be met in order to make the visual happen, but when it approached Lana might have decided she is not ready with the record at all and needs more time to finish it so they made ultimate decision to use the visual for Paradise edition instead. Since the name Tropico was more attached to the visual theme than the album she was making, she changed the album name and kept Tropico for the movie

3) PHOTO OF TRACKLIST 27 JANUARY 2013
BOZ: What I see here and what seems to make sense by what existed in January 2013 already:
1. Old Money?
2. Black Beauty?
3. ??
4. Lake Placid
5. Summertime
6. Melancholia
7. Jesus (ITTJ)
8. Pink Champagne - this is the original name of Let Me Love You Like A Woman demo
9. Elvis
10. Earthquakes
and further I can't read, but it Guns n Roses, Money Power Glory and maybe Cherry Blossom I'd expect to be on such draft from that time as well

4) WHY PARADISE TRACKS WERENT INCLUDED IN 27 JANUARY 2013
BOZ: Because it was not planned. She wanted the visual to be made for songs only from the new record. I guess she wanted to launch the album alongside, but when she realized the album was not ready they just decided to use it for Paradise era and create different visuals for LP2 when it's all done.

5) ELVIS
"is elvis a rework of the 2008 laptop demo, or a new song?"
BOZ: Never heard about Elvis being actually reworked, but it's a song Lana remembered if that makes sense. Also wasn't it used for some movie a few years ago, that Lana acknowledged as well? They surely used the "final" existing version there
"yeah, there's no knowledge of elvis being re-recorded or any studio version of it existing, but it's interesting that it's there, i was just wondering if you knew if it was a new song or if it was the "elvis" we already had, if this is the already-leaked elvis, it could've been a different, more complete version, the version that was used in that documentary is the laptop demo"
BOZ: I think this is something she could have planned, but never executed. Even though the picture was from 2013 the notepad writing, could have been a bit older, but either way at that time some of the other songs only existed as voice memos/laptop demos as well. So she just put together what she liked and planned to finish and that's something she kept changing a lot further on

6) TALKING LIKE AN ANSWERING MACHINE
BOZ: Talking like an Answering Machine is a bit of a mystery to me as well, but there seems to be a higher chance that it's real rather than that it's not

7) MELANCHOLIA
BOZ: Melancholia uses seemingly the same instrumentation as UV and some parts of the melody, but outside of that it's pretty much a very different song, very rough though.

8) AVE MARIA
BOZ: Lana did record Ave Maria, it was considered for UV even "after Tropico"

9) PINK CHAMPAGNE (LET ME LOVE YOU LIKE A WOMAN ULTRAVIOLENCE VERSION)
BOZ: 1. bridge originally was pre-chorus
          2. completely reworked and stripped from its original cinematic psychedelic production

10) FINE CHINA, YES TO HEAVEN,

YOUR GIRL, I TALK TO JESUS
- I'm gonna do a whole post on Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl, but it's gonna be an essay, cause there is a lot to say, especially in relation to the Eclipse leaked files... I need some time to put it together
- ITTJ is another essay-type post I don't have energy for right now

11) DAN AUERBACH SESSIONS
-Dan Auerbach never produced SYTH or Fine China
-Dan did demos of Pretty When You Cry and Guns & Roses

12) YES TO HEAVEN, FINE CHINA, YOUR GIRL FINALS?
BOZ: I'm not sure about YTH, but Fine China went as far as being mixed by Rob Orton and it's a Rick Nowels version. Same with Your Girl
But as soon as she came back to work on Honeymoon the first person to touch SYTH again was Rick so you could say the last version of YTH for UV was Rick's (per leaked files though - James Ford version is the latest, from April 2014 I think)

13) I DONT WANNA GO/LAKE PLACID
BOZ: I Don't Wanna Go / Tonight / Black Leather Moonlight (as annoying as it sounds, all 3 titles are equally correct, you can use whichever one you want) that leaked is from mid 2012, then it was rewritten and re-produced as Lake Placid for Tropico/UV

14) WEST COAST (ROB ORTON MIX)
"why Lana released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3SqUUoJjW8) version of West Coast first, but ended up putting this other mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNiInqEFdQk) on the album and also used it for the music video?"
BOZ: The simple answer to this is that Rob Orton, UV's mixing engineer, was still mixing the tracks at the time of WC release and they just attached earlier mix to it. Pretty sure it was even released on streaming later as Rob Orton mix or something

15) PINK FLAMINGOS, GET HIGH, ICE CREAM
"are "Pink Flamingos", "Ice Cream" and "Get High" demos of the released songs off the Honeymoon songs or just title ideas?"
BOZ: I don't recall Get High, but yes the other 2 are definitely real OG titles of the songs so Get High might as well be

16) WEST COAST (RICK NOWELS/RADIO MIX VERSION)
BOZ: Yes and it's not only that, it's kinda a pattern throughout her career!
Each time Lana wrote a song with Rick, but it was released with/alongside someone else's production, but she still liked the demo, she would finish it with Rick and release as radio mix.

17) IN JUNE 2014 INTERVIEW LANA SAID "RECORD" - WAS SHE REFERRED TO A SONG OR AN ALBUM/EP?
BOZ: Pretty sure that what she said was "I have an idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys to", but I don't know in what context she meant that, I would say it was about the song, but please note that first actual recording sessions for HM with Rick started in September 2014, so everything prior was just ideas

18) DARK PARADISE/SUMMERTIME SADNESS RADIO MIXES a.k.a. RICK NOWELS FINALS
BOZ: Radio mixes of Dark Paradise and Summertime Sadness are both finished Rick demos (alos demo versions for these versions exist)

19) IF YOU LIE DOWN WITH ME
BOZ: It was properly reworked for Blue Banisters

20) 2013 and 2015 SOUNDCHECKS
BOZ: I know nothing about this, same with that St. Petersburg soundcheck song. I tried to find out what this was all about, but never reached anything.
What I did learn however is that Lana happens to improvise random things during soundchecks as a form of warm up and I think these might be those cases. But I really don't know

21) AXL ROSE HUSBAND
"apart from Elvis and the ones we already knew of, does Lana ‘remember’ (as you put it) any of her unreleased songs pre-2012?"
BOZ: hmm Axl Rose Husband!
And as you know Methamphetamines turned into Old Money

22) LFL OUTTAKES
"would you be able to spill about witchy lfl outtakes?"
BOZ: What I'll say tho... if you are to manifest some amazing outtakes. Manifest LFL outtakes.

23) WEST COAST LYRICS
""He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love" or "como yo la la""
BOZ: He's crazy y Cubano como yo my love

24) JAMIE XX
BOZ: Jamie xx did a demo of Old Money as well as Black Beauty in 2013. Sadly it doesn't seem like they worked on original material together

25) +100 SONGS
BOZ: any claims that Lana made 100+ songs for any album are just wrong

26) NEON SHADOWS
BOZ: Yeah this surely (edited)

must be wrong (registered), never heard about it

27) REWORKED SONGS
"Do we have "already leaked" songs that we don't know were considered for any albums?
Like I know we already have a shit ton of btd outtakes but I'm guessing there are LOTS of btd outtakes that we already have but we don't even know they're btd outtakes"
BOZ: there are a few, but some would literally collapse on the thought that she reworked that so I'd rather you just be surprised if something leaks one day

28) NEW TITLE
Earthquakes (supposedly late 2012-early 2013)

what we found out a bit earlier

 

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1) MORRICONE AND PIANO THEME
Both are just concept instrumentals for Lana that she never recorded vocals for

2) BORN TO DIE RE-ISSUE
BOZ said that there were supposed re-issue of BTD with some outtakes with Damn You and Hollywood's Dead Finals Versions and probably some more

3) PARADISE
Paradise initially started as album, not EP

4) JFK 
JFK has later unleaked version made after Paradise sessions (late 2012 or early 2013), but she decided to stick with JFK earlier (leaked) version

5) SHADES OF COOL FIRST VERSION
Shades of Cool has "scratchy" november 2013 version (not the rick nowels final) (the first made)

6) Mike (Wild One) was on first UV drafts

7) not from BOZ: leaked versions of JFK, Hollywood, Tonight are all done by July 2012 and made together with Young and Beautiful, Body Electric and American Demos by july 2012

 

 

thank you bestie!!

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1 minute ago, VioletBunny said:

what does this mean

each “track” in a session is like an instrument, vocal layer etc. so it’s not 129 versions of the song, it’s 129 layers in the production if that makes sense. basically 129 stems

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Just now, VioletBunny said:

what does this mean

129 tracks from the mixing session. they had 129 files from vocals, instruments and effects to use for the mixing of the song.

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3 minutes ago, the ocean said:

honeymouns has posted in this thread btw just for the record

i dont see lindsay lohan in here

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4 hours ago, BlackoutZone said:

Wow there is so much disappointed coming for some of you it seems, Dan Auerbach never produced SYTH or Fine China

Nooooo

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1 minute ago, The Dragonslayer said:

i dont see lindsay lohan in here

 

not her the other one 

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All of this just really puts into perspective how prolific of an artist Lana truly is 

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10 minutes ago, kaliuchis said:

I hope you get your ass eaten soon !!

This is the most authentic compliment I’ve seen on this website 

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Well, now who will leak Earthquakes?