FROGGO

proud 2 b anti-feminist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkIiIaXcal4

Even this one??

Oh, don't mind me, I was just trying to say the most ignorant, dickish things I could think of Really though, I don't think I have anything valuable to contribute because my opinions have been posted better than I could've written myself. Certain mentalities that some people have (like Lana) do trouble me, but at the end of the day, the phrase "YOU DO YOU" is particularly apt in describing what it is we should each be focused on.

no. we are here to talk about music releases and videos and relevant things lol why do we need to go so deep into everything lol omg are you guys "feminists"??? that would explain A LOT. u guys are always angry about something

lol do we always have to do this? who cares if Lana is a feminist, a democrat, a supporter of equal rights, racist, culturally appropriating, a role model, whatever. too much OVERdiscussing

Can't I poke fun? I love your sig and you were by far the most supportive person on the forum of my need to use tiny hip hop heads everywhere. :') SORRY I COULDN'T THINK OF ANY LEGITIMATE CRITICISMS OF YOU

I know, I just wanted to try on my Aggressive Stan Pants #SHOTSUNFIRED

This.

Well, better one song than an entire career. *cough* AZEALIA *cough* #SHOTSFIRED

(read from the bottom up, like twitter)

@@Trash Magic shared this me, this makes me really happy to read: Exclusive: Katy Perry’s ‘Prism’ Is a Pop Music Masterpiece

I like Katy enough, no doubt about it. Out of all pop girls, she's released my favourite single, Teenage Dream. So gooooood(ly) I don't expect anything revolutionary from her either, but a lead single in the vein of Circle the Drain wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world

For sure. While it's a radio-friendly and a surefire hit, there's nothing remarkable about it. Another generic Katy Perry bop that's guaranteed to kill the charts. I was definitely rooting for her to lead with something different Still have faith in her other singles and album tracks though

Wait, people are actually doing this?! In keeping with the Katy Perry vs Lady Gaga match, what does everyone think about Roar?

Jesus Christ, I'm on the verge of tears and a total breakdown right now: (Holy crap I'm such a stan WHATEVER ) THAT CASSIE REIGN JUST WON'T LET UP I JUST NEED THIS TO BE TRUE

Question for you: what do you think of the tactics used by Katy and her team to ensure those number ones? Do you think they were shady/dishonest/cheap moves, or do you see it as fair and square and just what one must do to be successful in a cut-throat music industry? I'm interested because in your opinion because a) You're a Katy fan, but you're not a stan so you'll be less apt to blindly applaud her for whatever she does and b) I believe you studied marketing (?), so it'd be cool to get your opinion on this. I myself am pretty indifferent to the entire situation -- I'm not outraged or think it's horrible or am heavily invested in this -- but I can't help but think that MJ was just a little bit more deserving of it than Katy because he used absolutely no tricks/stunts to get his number ones. What does everyone else think? I'm up for hearing other peoples' opinions on this too. I think I'll share my opinion after I get some sleep though.

This is my ALL TIME FAVOURITE LANA DEL REY REMIX, EVER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBCqnsOaDU The way it builds up to the end is superb. Give it a listen the entire way though and I guarantee you will not be disappointed.

This thread is on the verge of becoming a giant clusterfuck and I love it

what is this random venomous remark? It's like she wronged you personally or something edit: o i c u stirring shit up

Oh no, she totally did! Sigh. They definitely look better when they're on the smaller side.

Let @@Hellion have "Queen B" for Lil Kim, Bey has her sights set higher

I'm not terribly invested in Rihanna, but she's in this underdog position now among us crazy music stans and I just need her to take time off and come back with a critically acclaimed album that she had heavy input in and didn't just phone in the vocals. I JUST NEED HER TO DO WELL TO PROVE EVERYONE WRONG BUT SHE NEEDS TO TAKE TIME OFF FOR THAT TO HAPPEN Seriously though, can you imagine Rihanna making a personal, cohesive (perhaps flowy!) album without this faux-thuggery she's adopted? I JUST NEED IT IN MY LIFE. Gimme dat concept album or her version of Blackout, pls. She can make snide remarks about Ciara all she wants but at the end of the day, Ciara recently dropped an incredible album that while isn't comparable to Rih's success, has been far more well-received than any of her recent efforts. Q-U-A-L-I-T-Y. And I'm also side-eying those that voted for Britney. She hasn't ever said a single bad thing about anyone or shaded anyone and she doesn't have horrific, off-putting stans. She is a SWEETHEART. FOR SHAME. FOR SHAME. SHE'S ALSO A CASSIE STAN, WHAT IS NOT TO LOVE??? I am praying for Blackout 2.0. Britney is my most anticipated and I am proud to say it.

Is the album any good?

I definitely understand how you meant it and she most definitely does do it in a very "regal", elegant way. No one can accuse B of being anything but that now! (Also, I wiki-ed MPB and have now fulfilled my "learn about one new thing" goal for this day ) I think it's interesting to dissect both layers (the urban side of living in the black American South and the regal side of honouring your ancestry) simultaneously and how one works with one another. Admittedly, it's something I don't know much about nor can I begin to understand the black experience in America for... well, very obvious reasons. I think approaching and honouring your ancestry in a very regal way is something that is far more digestible and appropriate for the GP, especially in the case of a black artist. I'm not too sure how much of a choice it is, between one or the other. It seems that the Queen-like route she went is the only acceptable way to honour a facet of her culture and heritage considering her place in music and her current success. Would she have the same success if she were far more open and daring with her more urban roots, or to use other people's words, if she were "more black"? (I cringe at that phrasing ). Could she still obtain and maintain the same level of success? There are many things blacks have to do in order to be seen as "acceptable": code-switching is one, relaxing hair and weaves would be another, etc. Of course, image is a huge part of success. Would she still top Most Beautiful/Sexy lists if she wore her hair kinky and natural? Would she still get million dollar endorsements and deals? I'm inclined to say no, unfortunately. The associations made with more urban culture are and/or a traditional black look can be quite negative: unintelligent, lower-class, crass, etc. If she were a hip hop artist, this would be expected of her, almost welcome in a way... but she's not. She's an R&B artist with increasingly pop leanings, because pop is THE GENRE if you seek superstar success. All the greatest, most legendary, successful acts in the world are essentially pop. And to reach that world-wide audience, unfortunately she has to monitor the urban side of her, be more presentable, non-threatening, be safe. She is still urban though. To use your phrasing (although not verbatim), she's urban, but not too urban. Classy and regal, but not posh and uppity. I think it's a very delicate balancing act, something she has to consider because of the colour of her skin and her upbringing. It's certainly not something Katy Perry or Lady Gaga have to take into consideration, y'know? She's always batting off criticism for "acting too white" or "not acting black enough" (wtf?!) and it's enough to make my head spin and I don't know how she deals with this crap. It's really disheartening how urban culture can in some instances be positively correlated with being "un-respectable". Because of this, I would say that her honouring her ancestry in that sort of Queen way that you described is the only acceptable way for her to be proud of her being black in her artistry (i.e., still being able to maintain her status and success on the incredibly large scale and scope that she has).... and damn, does she do it well. *shrugs* Anyway, I like studying the racial implications of things, if warranted. I probably shouldn't have hijacked this thread and dragged you into this conversation in the middle of "stan war thread". Ooops!