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My feelings exactly.

Exactly--lush orchestration--think how lovely Wait For Life still is. It's one of the unsung stars in her crown. Or 13 Beaches. I don't expect we'll get much or any of that on TRPWS, given Lana's comments about it, near and far, but we can hope. Some want a more basic, cleaner sound with Lana speaking directly from the heart, and others, more the chamelon soul Lana of old, dramatic, role-playing, powerful, Romantic with a capital R, intense. I'm in the latter camp.

As I see it, she'll probably take breaks from him, leaving him in Louisiana while she returns for periods of some duration to Los Angeles--she very likely has to return to LA for all sorts of things like fittings--I can't see every costume designer/maker flying to Louisiana to accommodate her or her expecting them to. And so see friends, to gain inspiration, be around more sophisticated people, and to get away from the more stultifying aspects of Louisiana, depending on where exactly they're living and the time of the year. There's a strange vibe in that part of the Deep South that has purely to do with nature--swamps full of high humidity, blazing heat, stagnant water, alligators, mosquitos, and Spanish moss are wonderful to visit and experience, but don't suit, I believe, the 'average person.' I think most people would find them oppressive to live in full-time. I grew up in Nashville and South Florida, and I couldn't wait to get away from the extreme humidity of the Miami warmer months, though the heat, in and of itself, I liked. That makes sense right now. She's been writing about wanting to leave LA for a while if her lyrics reflect her actual inner feelings. Better Louisiana than Oklahoma.

But did she move permanently to Louisiana? It seems doubtful she would make so complete and drastic a move. My money is on her maintaining at least one Los Angeles home and moving between them.

Kazoos?

History has proven that we cannot.

Understood. We'll all feel 100% better once something drops or some hard data is released.

I don't think this rollout is as bad as NFR! because it's almost as if TRPWS doesn't exist, as many of us seem to feel/inuit/sense---rightly or wrongly. And yes, we've had Hollywood Bowl, Suburban House, Blue Skies, and Tough to tie us over.

That's the nature of the chatroom beast, since members aren't obligated to read every post. So the postponed release dates/changes in album title-content-concept give rise to repetitive discussion.

But then she changed her mind about Henry and Lasso--as she [almost] always does.Then TRPWS was birthed, and may have been reconceived or otherwise altered since. For all we know, she could release a single next week or next month and the album might drop in May, June, July, August, or September, or never. That's how she rolls, for better or worse. And as I've been saying, she's got a lot of things on her mind at most times and especially right now due to her marriage, and fans and especially stans are probably not at the top of her list, which is fair.

To me, the NFR! rollout was much worse, the worst. In a sense, we should enjoy the silence, which is endlessly better than proclamations from Lana saying "I don't know when it's coming out" for over a year, and all the speculation here about whether the trademark/copyright held by the Rockwell family and/or Hallmark had become a legal issue or not. That was a very angry, nasty time on LanaBoards when almost any behavior was tolerated. Comparatively, today we have Peace in the Valley.

With the 'truth' remark I think she was referring to WFWF--we already knew she was a 'textbook case' of 'searching for the lost father,' so that wasn't news to fans and stans. She probably made the remarks about revenge and 'anyone who wants/wanted to know the truth' before she decided to change the focus of the album. I'm pretty sure it was BOZ who reported here on the removal of some of the songs and their replacement with the leaked tracks--I recall he said, 'Lana is really revisiting her past' or something to that effect. Releasing the poor-quality Youtube tracks--which a member here proved were of very shoddy auditory quality--is just another inexplicable move on her and her team's part. Presumably, she/they no longer had pristine originals, which seems odd in itself. You would assume, like most musicians, there's a vault somewhere, whether actual, digital, or cloud, where masters are kept for the foreseeable day when one or more career retrospectives are in order. Thanks.

I think the revenge and the laying it all out for the critics ended up on the proverbial cutting room floor. She does let the critics have it--a little--on Arcadia and BBS, and shares some of the harder truths of her early life and youth on WFWF, but that's it. We know for a fact that some months before the album's release, she removed 4 or 5 of the songs and replaced them with the badly-ripped already-leaked tracks. So the angrier, more accusatory tracks were most likely those cut. We don't even know their names, like the "4 or 5 political songs" cut from LFL. I doubt any of the cut BB tracks made it onto OB. Some day when she releases a career retrospective, some of the cut tracks from both LFL and BB will probably make an appearance, though whether they'll be identified as such, we'll only find out then, depending on what sort of liner notes are included.

Thanks. Maybe her relationship with Jeremy inspired Fishtail, with its bayou lyric. I hope she likes high humidity. The swamps of Louisiana are real swamps, as I see it. There's no swamp like a Louisiana swamp.

It may be true--how many houses does she own now? I thought she already owed four--would this be the fifth? Or has she sold one or more of the others? Who knows for certain? Try figuring the selling and purchasing of new homes into her activity and responsibility mix, the moving of furniture and an entire household, as well as buying new furniture or hiring interior designers. Is the new house, if a fact, in the American Southeast due to her marriage?

I disagree. I don't think she's ever not busy. And obviously, if she has a morning, afternoon, or evening to herself and/or her husband, that's more than well deserved. She needs time to write, even though we know she's always writing--but all her writing can't happen on the fly. Try to imagine all that goes into being Lana Del Rey--calls from the record company, from lawyers, from Ben, from Jack, from designers and musicians, from reporters and photographers, from her family, from Stevie, Cort, and Joan, all of which must seem at times like a series of endless hassles, decisions to be made, and relationships to be maintained. No wonder she wants to walk to the mall, watch tv, stop for coffee at the children's school, and do the laundry. Imagine such a life for yourself.

She must have some weird aspect in her astrological chart that makes her do all of these things repeatedly. I'd love the new record to be Lasso again and not TRPWS.

Agreed, then. Vast changes. Who knows what the earlier versions were like.

I don't think there's any message or symbolism—it's just an evocative image—one that works for me---she's in the pool under the chemtrails over the country club.

Do you mean UV the album or UV the song?

I agree. She's at the point in her career where, due to her 13-year career as LDR, even though she's not widely known across America in the manner, say, Taylor Swift is, she's becoming an institution to the cognoscenti and professionals in the music industry—especially as she's been widely praised by Springsteen, Baez, Smith, Love, Nicks, Misty, Swift, etc.--she's not an ingenue, she's not 'fresh,' she can't be promoted as a break-out star or the equivalent—which the music industry loves, especially if female. This career period has plus and minuses, which a lot of musicians, especially female artists like Joni Mitchell (For The Roses, Judgment of the Moon & Stars) and Tori Amos (Curtain Call, 16 Shades of Blue) have written songs about. It's a thorny situation and time of life. Lana wrote about it herself in Arcadia and Black Bathing Suit. So TRPWS may play an important role in how Lana continues to be interpreted and perceived, which is perhaps behind her apparent hesitancy regarding the new album. As I said yesterday, she's got a lot on her plate at the moment.

I don't see Lana retiring permanently anytime soon, if ever--she loves the stage that she calls home--but if she wants a child, whether by bearing a child or adopting one (or more), she's going to have to take a break of some kind---not that the muse will stop speaking to her because she's pregnant or caring for an infant. She'll always keep her voice recorder close at hand for ideas, as she's said she does. A lot of female musicians, from Patti Smith to Carly Simon, Kate Bush and Tori Amos recorded albums right through their pregnancies and afterward, while they had very young children. A lot of musicians--no matter what happens to them or tragedy befalls them--keep creating. It's lifeblood to them, it's their job, it's in their blood and bones. That's why we have artists with huge catalogs, like Prince, Leonard Cohen, Bruce Springsteen, Tori Amos, and R.E.M., and more contemporary artists like Lady Gaga, Lana, Twenty-One Pilots, Beyonce, and Father John Misty, who are on their way to having huge catalogs.

Regarding marrying someone she's known only six months--I think that's sufficient time for some people. And Lana is impulsive, as I think we know. Her time of life has to be figured in--she's approaching 40---especially since she's said she wants a child (one or more). She could always adopt, but of course she probably wants to bear a child of her own, especially being a Cancer. I agree her actions have been bewildering--but when have they not been? She keeps her own counsel and that's part of her fascination. "My mother always said I was a chameleon soul..."

I agree 100%. Especially about her new spouse—we know for a fact that fandom did not welcome him with open arms, for a variety of reasons.

Imagine living that sort of schedule—one obligation, one appointment, one committment after another—to say nothing of her new spouse--most people would become alcoholics or would have thrown in the towel some time back. Everyone needs down time.