Vertimus

If the vinyls are out, the leak has to be just around the corner. Obviously.

Part of it is because we know we're getting an entirely new kind of album from Lana, based on the leaked tracks and 'A&W.' The song structures are unlikely to be simple and traditional like 'Arcadia.'

I'm a big fan of 'Thunder,' the original, 50s-style version, not the released piano version, which is, for me, a pale shadow of the other. My understanding is that there was not a full album of songs, but only something like an EP, 4 or 5 songs. But I'd like to hear them all too.

It's just because we're waiting and waiting and waiting. That makes people super irritable.

I see it as a novelty song, and not more. It's very different, and they probably had a blast writing and recording it. I love BB for the most part, but when I think of it, I never think of 'Dealer.'

It was unbearable, and inexcusable too.

Try to bear it as best you can. You might be surprised to hear this, but after the LFL release, during the run up to NFR! and then just after its release, things were 100% worse here, absolutely anything was tolerated. Were you here then? Hopefully, this pre-release and the post-release will continue to be a fruitful period in which we can exchange ideas and opinions in an enjoyable way.

Indeed. Some members here react with negative emotion, not thought, to every opinion that is not 100% cult-like and monolithic, and then accuse other people of being 'haters.' That's called 'projection' in classic psychology. We're all different people, with different backgrounds, likes, dislikes, experiences, thoughts, ideas, etc. So that is what anyone coming here should expect to find, as on any fan board or in the public square.

Thanks. Maybe she'll have a career phase were she talk-sings instead of sings, like later era Leonard Cohen or Marianne Faithfull. There was already some of this on 'White Dress.' It's easier to do on slower songs and ballads.

Block me, it's that easy.

Yeah, I haven't been able to get through to 'Peppers.' 'Live Or Die' is one of my all-time favorite of Lana's songs, she steps into the shoes of a psychopath so believably, and the cheerleader -like 'Yeahs!' in the background are a touch of brilliance.

She has been good at them in the past, and in a variety of styles, from 'Live Or Die' to 'Velvet Crowbar' and 'Blue Jeans' and 'Serene Queen' and onward. Do you consider 'Doin' Time' an example of what you're referring to? Thank you for correcting me, that makes a difference! Of course, I stand by my observations of some of the OB vocals.

You look so handsome in your new photo.

I meant #2, Capricious; impulsive. Thanks.

If she ever glamorized 'abusive relationships,' I think that started with 'Blue Jeans,' not UV.

What about the photoshoot with Joan Baez for the NYT magazine? Shouldn't that be out any day, any Sunday?

But THE SONG sometimes does get scrapped--as in 'Yosemite.' And generally, Lana seems to make some odd choices on occasion, like scrapping 'Serene Queen,' and placing what I see as lesser tracks on LFL in its place. When a producer agrees to work with Lana, or any artist with complete control over their career, they probably assume the track or tracks they work on will make the cut, if any cut is foreseen. But anything can happen towards the end, especially with Lana, and her quixotic taste and temperament.

I find some songs, by all artists, have an underlying, internal/structural tension that makes them ‘sustainable’ and gives them endless/perpetual ‘replay value.’ For me, recent positive examples by Lana are ‘The Greatest,’ ‘Yosemite’ (even if recorded much earlier), ‘White Dress,’ ‘IYLDWM M,’ and ‘VFR.’

It's more sociology. We go through this every release. I seldom overpraise things I haven't heard in full. I have said I don't think much at all of the title track and not much more of 'A&W.' The others, except for 'Fingertips,' I like so far, but they don't have, for me, at this point, a lot of what ChaoticLipster calls 'replay value,' which is an excellent and useful term. I still listen to 3 or 4 tracks from 'BB' and have never tired of them. I hope that's also the case with some tracks off the new record.

For better or worse, I'm sure one of the tens of millions of people in the world will leak it before release date.

Generally, don't her albums leak about 7 days before? So we're quite not there yet. But I assume anything is possible. If the entire album leaks, I will still be buying a copy.

I stand corrected. I've only heard the tagged version, but it is possible to make out a good deal of the song from it.