Stardust

I hear "eyes wide like saucers" not arms.

Lol I know his baby mumma. Don't think he'll be coming out anytime soon

All I meant by that was sex is a part of her art, so is it such a departure to think she's had (a lot of) sex? I didn't mean for you to start (almost) hating her There was no intended ganging up or offence on my behalf. We simply have differing views, and I was airing mine (:

You're right, it's not like she sings about a 'burning desire,' or being fucked 'hard in the pouring rain,' or actually depicts having sex on a pinball machine or anything overtly sexual in her art ... Oh wait...

Maybe she hasn't even slept around, but we don't know, the only person who knows the details of her sexual endeavours is her. If she wants to portray an image of someone who has had a lot of partners, so be it. I don't see it as irresponsible as it isn't for you and I, or any other member of the public to judge, although we (as in the public) seem to possess a sense of self righteousness and believe we do have the right to be judgemental. Like I said, it's her life, her choices. It doesn't mean she can't express familial values or beliefs at the same time. People of western culture tend to believe that human beings can't be contradictions, when in fact that's exactly what we are. I could go into a whole debate about the paradoxical nature of human nature but that's a different topic. But pray tell exactly what values she has expressed which stand in contrast to her having a lot of partners? I don't think all people who participate in casual sex have issues with loyalty and respect. Yeah there's a hundred reasons people do it (and I said earlier, I don't know Lana's), but I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to people who lead others on and treat 'others like a piece of meat of their ephemeral desire.' No strings sex between two consenting adults can be just that, no strings fun, as long as both parties are informed, that's all it is.

I'm not going to go into your whole post mainly because I don't know Lana personally, so any narrative on her psychological issues really count for naught. I'm not saying she does or she doesn't have issues, but if I'm honest the majority of people I know have their own issues anyway. There are things in your post I both agree and disagree with, however, this point really stuck out to me and I felt the need to reply. I don't see how promiscuity (alleged or not) contradicts 'being a good person, helping the community and being with family.' To be honest I think this whole social construct of wholesomeness, particularly where women are involved, is an old fashioned ideology lingering to the present day. Just because someone likes to have sex doesn't make them a bad person, and though it may not fit into a stereotypical paradigm of a 'good, wholesome' person does not in any way detract from your personality in reality. I, for one, know plenty of guys who sleep around, but they have hearts of gold and are basically mummy's boys. They're good, family orientated people, and just because they like to spend time between the sheets doesn't make it not so. I'm not talking about leading people on and all of that sort of stuff, I'm talking about just the physical act of sex. I know there could be hundreds of reasons why someone chooses to sleep around, including psychological problems like a need for validation, but I also think it can be for a healthy reason, of just enjoying yourself and having fun. You only live once, and your life is made from your choices, so whatever you choose (promiscuity or not), enjoy it. I don't know Lana's own reasons, and the public may react with disgust, but that's simply because the majority are still in line with an old fashioned view.

Ariana Grande is far from 'disgusting'

I think @ pretty much summed it up. The reason 'we' are included in the 'game' is because we're as much a part of it as the celebrities are. We are the ones who judge the people in the public eye. It is definitely societal and we are creatures of society, but whether that is something innately human is up for debate, I guess.

That's hard Once Upon a Dream vs. Money, Power, Glory

Mortality is the one absolute common to the human condition, so it's pretty understandable for it to influence and be referenced frequently in an artists work, even if it isn't the dominant theme of her art. As I stated, there are suggestive undertones and these undertones clearly highlight to me that, as a person, she is clearly struck by the notion of death, but the main motif of her music is love and love lost: just because (for example) she sings 'your love is deadly' doesn't make 'Without You' about death. This is the difference I'm trying to distinguish. To be fair I'd retract my statement about BTD being the only song relating directly to death. I would agree that 'Dark Paradise' is also about death (although you could argue it was a breakup, artistic interpretation and all that) b ut more than that it's about undying love and the grief you feel when you lose a loved one. All I meant with that comment was that she isn't singing about wanting to actually die, she's singing about the hardship of having a loved one die (or leave) and the period you go through afterward, unable to move on & finding comfort in the fantasy of the person. So the lyric 'I wish I was dead' is, like I said, hyperbole to communicate the extent of the grief. I don't think she's glamorising death. Similarly, with BTD.. This was the first song of Lana's I heard, and I dunno if it's just me, but the message I got from that song was one of seizing the day, enjoying and experiencing your life (and love) whilst you can - 'feet don't fail me now, take me to the finish line, oh my heart it breaks every step that they take' / 'don't make me sad. Don't make me cry... Keep making me laugh' / 'take a walk on the wild side' - because although everyone is 'born to die' it pains her to get older, and closer to death or the 'finish line,' which stands in stark contrast to romanticising death. For me at least, the bulk of the lyrics you pulled out from each of the other songs don't pertain to the actual meanings of the songs as a whole. The use of the words relating to death: 'I'd die without you,' 'only worth living if somebody is loving you' etc. are figurative, imagery used as a means of expressing herself & as an allusion to something else, for the most part, the extent of love shehas for her man. Mortality is a recurring allusion but not to the extent that love (or even fame, power/submission, or nostalgia) is a motif through all of her work: she isn't, generally, singing about death. That's why I wouldn't call it a dominant theme.

I wish haha

I don't see death as being a prevalent theme throughout her music (from Born to Die/Ultraviolence anyway). None of the songs strike me as being based solely on death, implicit undertones perhaps, but 'Born to Die' is actually the only song that really deals with death, the rest of her music does seem to revolve around relationships. Maybe older stuff, but I'm guessing she's talking about the commercially released albums, which makes sense to me as that's what the majority of people would have heard and judged her on. I think it's different within the context of the song though. The reason she 'wishes she were dead' is a love lost. To me the lyric was just a way of emphasising the pain; it isn't a song about dying but she used hyperbole to make a point. Just my two cents anyway .