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Then how do you explain Leonard Cohen? Over 80 years old and hotter than ever. With NO hit singles, and in his entire life, one top 10 album.
He sells out Madison Square Garden and Radio City Music Hall and only does it with his lyrics, which is poetry.
 
The vast majority of hit tours now are by artists who were from the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s who have kept their entire fan base (those still living of course) and do so with zero new product, or when a new record comes
out, it does not sell well, except for the fan base.
What about Garth Brooks? He retired for 15 years, came back, radio won't touch his new stuff, but he is setting records in concerts left and right (and not only that, he is now free to be the liberal he always was, but had to hide
when he was in the mainstream country market going for #1s on the country chart. Garth actually is a good example- he forced people to find him, to listen to him only on country stations and refused to release singles to the Top40
stations, and people did.
 
Maybe a good example is Matraca Berg. Mainstream country, pop or rock did not play her songs. Yet she now is in the songwriters hall of fame and others have sung hundreds of her songs.
And Matraca also had the problem of being taken seriously because of her really good looks.
 
Yes, art exists. Not everyone is in it for the money, and Lana don't need a penny, so no need for money.
 
Lana found and got fame, on her own terms, not on the old boys network way of doing things. That alone is why the old boys network hates her. Because they can't mold her or shape her, and they can't control her.
(see:Prince for another artist they couldn't control)  For too long record companies have ripped artists off.
Lana is doing it her way, not anyone elses way.
Whatever she does or doesn't do is 100% great by me, because it's her life and she is doing as she pleases.
(Perhaps some here while debating minutia are actually forgetting it's her life and she is doing it on her own terms, and in her private life, she seems happier than ever. Maybe thinking otherwise is just thinking wrong.
 
The 27 narrative right before UV after all was the media picking up on a wrong fact. She was never 27 at the time, she was 28. But the media writes what they want, and ran with it.
Lana outsmarted them, and Lana outsmarted Sam Smith. Lana got the #1. Sam still hasn't gone higher than #2. I doubt anyone will remember Sam ten years from now, there will be 100 newer more relevant people than him.
 
But Lana will still be singing (perhaps as Elizabeth by then, perhaps still as Lana).
The one shame is, she didn't get the chance with Lou Reed. That would have been major.
 
and Lana is always one second away from releasing one of her many unreleased (and future unreleased) pure pop instantly catch and trendy songs that would instantly go to the top
but she doesn't. Because that doesn't fit with what she wants. But we all know them because we are lucky enough that Queen of Disaster and Pale Moonlight and the others were put out there so we can hear them.
Which is more important in the world? Writing a song or making a buck? The power is in writing and creating. The creations are there already.
A true artist creates, not sells.  (like most actual paint artists, they are not famous until decades later).
It is two different areas of being. 
 
Lana in her sleep could snore a song ten times better than the new Britney/Iggy song Pretty girls, is that really what anyone here would want Lana to become just to have a number 1 song?

@@LittleFool -
John Lennon threw up before he performed, he had a fear of the stage, Carly Simon does too, especially in her hit making days.
Brian Wilson spent 2 decades away from the stage and preferred the studio.
 
I think other artists over time are going to have #1 hits with Lana's songs, and I also think Lana will get billing on some major hits that use her lyrics from her.
Now that Marvin Gaye's estate won their lawsuit and now that Bruno Mars/Mark Ronson's song recently without a lawsuit added 5 new songwriters to the credits, I think we are going to start seeing in the next five to ten years,
Lana winning a lot of awards as songwriter and eventually being in the Songwriter hall of fame, which includes not only recent people, but songwriters from every single era in music. While not as flashy as the Rock hall, in some ways just as or more important.
 
I for one am happy for the chance 13 months later to see another tour, and a new album in the works.

@@KillKillQueen
I disagree totally
 
Lana releases stuff as finished. Why wait?

BTD and Paradise and Ultraviolence were indeed concept albums
And Paradise is for all intents a stand alone (it even got a nomination for best rock album )
that it was labeled an ep was for technical reasons I guess (and it increased the sales of Born to die because many bought Paradise that way
 
I think this time she thought why bother doing that and didn't.
 
Paradise stands alone from 1 to 8 (and is better than BTD) and Ultraviolence is better than both of them
(I do believe Ultraviolence will be one of the Top 25 albums of 2010-2020 on critic choice decade awards
 
She does what she wants and doesn't care about money. Freedom from money makes for artists that last forever
 
The change in the one line from High on the Beach from Put me in a movie aka Little Girls after "Lights camera accion" says it all.
What she might have needed in 2008, she don't now.
 
as for artistic? Nothing could be more artistic than West Coast/Brooklyn Baby/Shades of Cool back to back to back. I have never heard 3 different songs more perfect
and perfectly suited next to each other (and then she does Sad Girls/Pretty when I cry) and tops it off with Old Money/The Other woman"
Yes, Ultraviolence was a complete concept album
 
and how one can say Ultraviolence songs all sounded alike when they were at least 6 different musical styles
 
that's my opinion.
 
 

Said it before-
I believe Honeymoon will be the start and the end of the proper album. Perhaps the end a coda, or the beginning just a prelude.
A loose, surreal Lynchian nightmare world of Hollywood with redemption or solution by the end.
 
The video/lyric released when it came out itself is like that
Like most of her records so far, a concept album as they used to call it. (Like Elton John did with his mega Captain Fantastic and Goodbye YellowBrick Road albums.)- BTD, Paradise, Ultraviolence all have been.

Billboard over Mel's Diner.
That alone is so 1940s 1950s 1960s Hollywood
 
Lana herself probably drives by there five times a week
 
Like how Marilyn and Bette and Joan had all those billboards decades ago. Nothing is more Hollywood than that.
 
so its symbolism on top of symbolism
 
The video rails against being her privacy being broken into to by the paparazzi and media, while the billboard is probably going to be seen by those millions driving by (with Lana looking at me looking at you)
It don't get any cooler and to the point.
 
and the negative nelly's and Debbie downers say Lana never does anything (sarcasm)

Billboard over Mel's Diner.
That alone is so 1940s 1950s 1960s Hollywood
 
Lana herself probably drives by there five times a week
 
Like how Marilyn and Bette and Joan had all those billboards decades ago. Nothing is more Hollywood than that.
 
so its symbolism on top of symbolism
 
The video rails against being her privacy being broken into to by the paparazzi and media, while the billboard is probably going to be seen by those millions driving by (with Lana looking at me looking at you)
It don't get any cooler and to the point.
 
and the negative nelly's and Debbie downers say Lana never does anything (sarcasm)

Billboard over Mel's Diner.
That alone is so 1940s 1950s 1960s Hollywood
 
Lana herself probably drives by there five times a week
 
Like how Marilyn and Bette and Joan had all those billboards decades ago. Nothing is more Hollywood than that.
 
so its symbolism on top of symbolism
 
The video rails against being her privacy being broken into to by the paparazzi and media, while the billboard is probably going to be seen by those millions driving by (with Lana looking at me looking at you)
It don't get any cooler and to the point.
 
and the negative nelly's and Debbie downers say Lana never does anything (sarcasm)

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Shit, going back and re-reading this thread, after the release of the video for High by the beach-
is that house the house in the video? Which means they were just there for this video
 
and one of the comments above is ironic

Billboard over Mel's Diner.
That alone is so 1940s 1950s 1960s Hollywood
 
Lana herself probably drives by there five times a week
 
Like how Marilyn and Bette and Joan had all those billboards decades ago. Nothing is more Hollywood than that.
 
so its symbolism on top of symbolism
 
The video rails against being her privacy being broken into to by the paparazzi and media, while the billboard is probably going to be seen by those millions driving by (with Lana looking at me looking at you)
It don't get any cooler and to the point.
 
and the negative nelly's and Debbie downers say Lana never does anything (sarcasm)

Billboard over Mel's Diner.
That alone is so 1940s 1950s 1960s Hollywood
 
Lana herself probably drives by there five times a week
 
Like how Marilyn and Bette and Joan had all those billboards decades ago. Nothing is more Hollywood than that.
 
so its symbolism on top of symbolism
 
The video rails against being her privacy being broken into to by the paparazzi and media, while the billboard is probably going to be seen by those millions driving by (with Lana looking at me looking at you)
It don't get any cooler and to the point.
 
and the negative nelly's and Debbie downers say Lana never does anything (sarcasm)

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Hope it's surreal like the very stylish Ultraviolence video was (though I know many here don't seem to either like it, or they didn't get it). mixed in with a West Coast/Shades of Cool.
 
The wrap-around of Honeymoon still makes me think this whole album is going to be a Lynchian type Sunset Blvd/Mulholland Drive into hell with redemption or solution at the end
 
With that damn big gun, though, it could go into James Bond like territory, which perhaps is a subtle wink wink that not only should Lana sing the theme from Bond, she should
be, hell, no, not a Bond Girl, Lana should be James Bond herself. (who said Bond had to be a boy?)  She is cooler than Bond anyhow.

Wow the board works again.
 
Lana is #1 on ITunes for 3 days now
#1 on the twitter chart
the new charts on billboard will be released Next Tuesday the 19th that will include High by the beach
 
IMHO- High by the beach should be situated time wise, right after Paradise, and right before West Coast
 
West Coast would appear to be the sequel to High by the Beach
 
Great song taking her again to unique places no one else singing today goes to

Assuming the above is somewhat real
I wonder- is the title-
Falling in love again- Is this the Marlene Dietrich track  from the movie "The Blue Angel" (the German lyrics are far more sultry than the American)
As I consider Lana the equal to a modern day Edith Piaf,(the Little Sparrow), doing a Dietrich track would be perfect.
Not to mention- it would be a wicked inside joke, being that Gods and Monsters done by Elsa (Jessica Lange as Elsa) on AHS was done in the exact voice of Dietrich
That would be great.
 
the Beatles among many others later recorded it. (so it also ties in w/the remarks about Lucy in the sky).

Don't forget 2 things- shortly the industry is shifting to a universal Friday release date and the billboard charts will also change the days the first weeks charts cover
 
Also- artists now are dropping surprises, and one has to take into account, like movies do, that release dates are important in securing a #1 album. So the album may be surprise released without much advance or any advance
 
As they say, Sam Smith who basically copied Lana, made a huge mistake releasing his debut the same day as Lana and only debuted at #2.
 Sam did not reached #1 in the US.
And Billboard was predicting Sam would get to #1after the Grammy's, and guess what? Drake surprised and Sam will have to be happy with a #2
 
BTW-didn't it irritate some here that Lana did SNL, and she was crucified for just standing by piano and singing
Sam does SNL, basically imitates Lana standing at the piano, holding the microphone stand and he is loved? The disconnect is amazing.

I mean timing of the continuous story that flows from the early days to Born to die to Paradise to Honeymoon
 
High on the beach seems time wise to flow in the story like a prequel to West Coast (not when she wrote it, but time line)
 
Lana had said it would harken back to the story of BTD/Paradise and Ultraviolence mixed in
 
Who the person is, be it Barrie, be it "Jim" from the other songs is also important in knowing.
(Was it Barrie talked about in West Coast "leaving you for the moment"?)
 
And the money part. That would let out Barrie, though perhaps fans asking her to be something they want and she doesn't might be the reference saying she isn't in it for the money
and she will do as she damn pleases without worrying what this person or that person might say
(aka leave me alone all I want to do is get high on the beach)

Wow the board works again.
 
Lana is #1 on ITunes for 3 days now
#1 on the twitter chart
the new charts on billboard will be released Next Tuesday the 19th that will include High by the beach
 
IMHO- High by the beach should be situated time wise, right after Paradise, and right before West Coast
 
West Coast would appear to be the sequel to High by the Beach
 
Great song taking her again to unique places no one else singing today goes to

as for repeated use of words/memes/ etc-  That is a positive thing. That is a good thing. Why make it into a negative?
That is a tenet T.S. Eliot used all the time.
 
Not to shabby to be the modern day T.S. Eliot, don't one think?
 
When one hears Lana singing a Lana song, one immediately knows it's Lana.
 
Every person behind Lana is like every person in a Conga line after the leader.
 
Lana in effect is Sgt. Pepper leading the band of imitators
 
As for leaks- if one doesn't want to hear a leak, DON'T.
 
And anyhow, if one does, so what? Come the official release buy it play it click it stream it repeat repeat
That way one can have it count officially.  Seems a no-brainer to me

Wow the board works again.
 
Lana is #1 on ITunes for 3 days now
#1 on the twitter chart
the new charts on billboard will be released Next Tuesday the 19th that will include High by the beach
 
IMHO- High by the beach should be situated time wise, right after Paradise, and right before West Coast
 
West Coast would appear to be the sequel to High by the Beach
 
Great song taking her again to unique places no one else singing today goes to

I mean timing of the continuous story that flows from the early days to Born to die to Paradise to Honeymoon
 
High on the beach seems time wise to flow in the story like a prequel to West Coast (not when she wrote it, but time line)
 
Lana had said it would harken back to the story of BTD/Paradise and Ultraviolence mixed in
 
Who the person is, be it Barrie, be it "Jim" from the other songs is also important in knowing.
(Was it Barrie talked about in West Coast "leaving you for the moment"?)
 
And the money part. That would let out Barrie, though perhaps fans asking her to be something they want and she doesn't might be the reference saying she isn't in it for the money
and she will do as she damn pleases without worrying what this person or that person might say
(aka leave me alone all I want to do is get high on the beach)

as for repeated use of words/memes/ etc-  That is a positive thing. That is a good thing. Why make it into a negative?
That is a tenet T.S. Eliot used all the time.
 
Not to shabby to be the modern day T.S. Eliot, don't one think?
 
When one hears Lana singing a Lana song, one immediately knows it's Lana.
 
Every person behind Lana is like every person in a Conga line after the leader.
 
Lana in effect is Sgt. Pepper leading the band of imitators
 
As for leaks- if one doesn't want to hear a leak, DON'T.
 
And anyhow, if one does, so what? Come the official release buy it play it click it stream it repeat repeat
That way one can have it count officially.  Seems a no-brainer to me