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  2. Posted

    On 12/27/2022 at 3:34 AM, 111 said:

    say yes to allah, say yes to me... the song has been whored around and no one was able to get it quite right it's just a BAD song. recycled boring lyrics, boring vocal performance, cute melody and that's it... where is the same effort and attention to FINE GRAMMYS? if this didn't make it onto cocc/bb then i can only pray she finally laid it to rest... 

     

     

    the one i leakedT? no thats from 2013

     

    :dua:

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  3. Posted

    Id still consider these versions REAL, tbh.. and actually just 2016 reworks done independently from Lana… though under the guise of very malicious intentions, they’re still at least reworked by those who did the original versions or had a hand in them! Rushed work and poor qualify kinda hurts to know but its still interesting to see and hear this..

     

    Someday I hope we can hear what LANA intended though. 

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  4. Posted

    27 minutes ago, BlackoutZone said:

    I think it's time to talk about the iconic trio of UV outtakes - Yes to Heaven, Fine China & Your Girl. It's a twisted web and I'm not really good with phrasing and explaining such things so it might be difficult for you to understand everything (especially if you have no technical background on how songs are being produced), but I'll try to walk you through it all step by step and if something remains unclear I will try to explain it further!

     

    These 3 songs were originally written and produced alongside Rick Nowels and his engineers back in late 2013. We first found out about their existence in 2016 when Eclipse obtained the demos and revealed the titles/snippets. They later happened to spread and leak becoming mysterious fan favorites and sadly as beloved and iconic in the community they are, all 3 are fake...
    well, technically.

     

    To understand why they are fake I need to give you a full breakdown of what happened.
    It must have started with Eclipse getting his hands on an invoice from Patrick Warren who was responsible for recording and engineering Keys/Strings on some of the songs at that time. That listing apart from tracks that were released included Say Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl which have been fully unknown to the public. He contacts Patrick and using that info tries to get the demos from him, I assume under the suggestion that Lana is considering re-using the songs and tries to get the tracks/parts back. The thing is, Patrick is just someone who records his small part for the mix, he isn't actively working on the song as a producer so he doesn't really have access to all the material. Still though, he had some loose stems/sessions parts I assume, without properly bounced mix, he challenged himself to create mixes of all 3 that would be serviceable for that moment.

     

    If you check the original files of all 3 leaked tracks, you'll find in the metadata that those demos were exported in Logic 10.2.2. That version of Logic Pro was released on March 8th, 2016 so any mix could not be older than that and of course the original ones were made in 2013. Not to mention the fact that Rick and his engineers work with Pro Tools, not Logic, unlike Patrick. But this goes even further. Patrick's available stems of the tracks were seemingly so incomplete he decided to create new production and structure for the songs making complete new versions that were unlike what Lana and Rick originally curated. He sent those back to Eclipse alongside the very incomplete stems.

     

    This mess doesn't end here. You see Patrick Warren's job is to deliver the stems containing the new parts he was issued to arrange and engineer. Since he is often doing it independently of the rest, he adds a little bit of the song's intro at the beginning of every stem file he bounces so that when Rick receives it he knows how to place it in the mix alongside his parts. It's usually like 20/30 seconds and you can see what I'm talking about, because Eclipse shared some stems snippets from the files he received:
    https://onlyfiles.io/f/e0236e30cb224f9e8618fe09ab0b9bc3
    https://onlyfiles.io/f/ce703d3a5a204566bd31278eb667e6f7
    Thank you @TheBoss for providing these to me

     

    The first seconds here are the intros of real Rick reference demos, the latter parts however are already stems/mixes of what Patrick attempted to make in 2016. If you want some more closure, there is something @Say Yes to Heaven mentioned already - Eclipse must have received another pack of the same fashion later in 2016 of upcoming LFL track, Something Real (aka 13 Beaches). If you remember those times well, his exact teaser said "You took the.. #SR". This was most probably, because the singular stems he received as Something Real ALSO contained a few seconds of actual song at the beginning that happened to cut right after Lana saying "You took t..". In the full official credits you can see that Patrick is credited on 13 Beaches for "Waterphone", "Harmonium" and "Synthesizer".

     

    Now circling back, while Fine China and Your Girl only had one mix leaked, Yes to Heaven also had this:

     

    And this one is also fake, but it's technically closer to being a real thing than the Patrick mix. I don't know if this one was made by Eclipse or someone who got the stems from him, but this must have been made with filtered acapella of the Patrick Warren version, mixed with additional stems he provided and then layered with the looped guitar/drum pattern from the intro that I mentioned previously. But that guitar loop was literally a fundament of very first version of Yes to Heaven (unlike the Patrick mix that begins with strings) so you can imagine how it sounded based on this.

     

    The first real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is the one leaked by Music Mafia which is a James Ford demo from late March/early April 2014. At that stage UV was shaping as an album, Rob Orton started properly mixing it and Lana decided to take last attempts to find the right production for the song by asking James Ford to give it a try. Sadly it also got discarded and at that point they just let go of the song (at least for that era).

     

    The second real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is from latter part of 2014, 3:31 in length with leading production by STINT. Keep in mind though that while I refer to those versions as James Ford produced / STINT produced demos, they are all based on Rick's demos they got presented to work with. I think it's just easier to name them as such for clear sorting purposes. Even though the song was being worked on in both 2014 and 2015 they still failed to include it on HM as well.

     

    It's fortunate for you that those happened to leak, cause Patrick's SYTH was the most different to the real demos from UV. Fine China is also pretty different, while Your Girl early demos (not the final though) are fairly similar to Patrick's mix. I mentioned earlier that both Fine China and Your Girl got mixed by Rob Orton alongside UV so they've been scrapped from the release on very last minute and unlike Yes to Heaven - ditched for good right after.

     

    The weirdest thing in all this is that those quick Patrick Warren mixes are great... even though the mixing is clearly rushed and poor. The harmonica break in Yes to Heaven, the organs in Your Girl chorus, that stuff was never meant to be there, but hell it works. This sadly also means that if Patrick only sent those 160kbps mp3 files, the better ones don't exist.

     

    That is all for now, unless @111 would like to now come forward and add something that I missed/got wrong. I also do not really believe that you didn't know the truth about all of this back then so I don't understand why you never revealed that the mixes aren't real. I think die hard fans deserve that kind of closure about some of the most iconic unreleased songs.

     

    This took me years to figure out with massive help of someone who is also present on this very forum and I have mad respect for, thank you again!

    BOTH OF MY THEORIES BEING TRUE.. ive literally rambled so much on SYTH v1 and v2 being fakes but i never imagined like THIS lmfao.. I just KNEW the string version was not the true version at all - the song is so obviously meant for much more than that

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  5. Posted

    Just now, The Dragonslayer said:

    those r pathetic stem edits and the only thing that makes them "unmastered" are lack of protools plugins

    and are these stem edits in the room with us rn?
    cuz ur not.. editing the stems.. ur just exporting a listenable mix with the stems as they are..

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  6. Posted

    Just now, Say Yes to Heaven said:

    What, of the things honeymouns, has posted are stem edits? if u could give me a rundown pls

    The only thing that was stem "edit" to my knowledge was the tomorrow never came demo, but I really cannot recall anything else of the sort

    The UV unmastered were not stem "edits", if anything they're made from placing the stems, as they are, into an audio software and then bouncing it to a mix... which is not an edit, its all you can do to make a fullly listenable version of the mix if it lacks an official bounce

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  7. Posted

    8 minutes ago, The Dragonslayer said:

    because hes a liar and half the shit people attribute  with him leaking weren't leaked by him - not to mention the stem edits

    What, of the things honeymouns, has posted are stem edits? if u could give me a rundown pls

    The only thing that was stem "edit" to my knowledge was the tomorrow never came demo, but I really cannot recall anything else of the sort

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  8. Posted

    1 minute ago, IanadeIrey said:

    What is the point of editing unreleased songs before they are leaked - it is because the leakers want to maintain some sort of exclusivity of knowing the real version was only heard by a select few OR so that the leak can be traced back to them for credit’s sake (with edits being equivalent to tags)?

    its so they can keep that tiniest bit of exclusivity to themselves

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  10. Posted

    3 minutes ago, BlackoutZone said:

    You are almost right, but please wait for tomorrow I will explain it more as well :deadbanana:

    :trisha: FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY i knew it in my heart.. even an "almost" right is enough for me. My other theory is that he gained access to some sort of database where currently worked on stuff was being uploaded but could only play intro snippets of the things (maybe to avoid downloading and alerting them idk?!?!) so then he just screenrecorded those and thats why we have snippets of Love (Demo) stems and Something Real stuff lol, i mean both "lyric" snippets we got just so happened to be the first line of each song.. "You took the//It took thir-" and "look at you kids with your vintage music" 

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  11. Posted

    1 minute ago, misslonaxo said:


    Since Living Legend is included in the youtube trio, thought I would mention that the song was intended to have a string section. A duplicate session was labeled 'Send to Dan Heath.' or something along those lines. 

    yes!! but we dont know if he did anything on it in the end.. there could exist a more final version w those strings that we wont get anytime soon.. i will forever be mad at lana for using demos for bb when she couldve easily given us the best versions for official release

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  12. Posted

    Just now, The Dragonslayer said:

    isnt it the same guy who did resistance? (maybe im making that up who knows)

    crispin hunt.. it makes sense but i dont think anyone knows for sure, it could be also Lee Nadel and Rich Mercurio who did Hawaiian Tropic since Spin Me Round is just ... uhm a utopian version of that song 

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  13. Posted

    Just now, The Love Witch said:

    Also You & Me! That song is a whole mystery to me. It sounds so much like something from Born to Die but it barely matches any of her collaborators from back then.

    ive always felt like you and me is by rick nowels or emile tbh.. but im interested in knowing the truth 

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  14. Posted

    @BlackoutZone CARE TO CONFIRM MY THEORY ?!?!?! 

     

    There is no version of 13 Beaches NOR Something Real (if that was ever even the title) that featured lyrics as "You took the-" like Eclipse says... I've rambled abt this theory sm in the past but I am hardset on my belief that he actually obtained stems that had only a certain number of seconds playing from the intro... Think about it - anytime he's mentioned Something Real, it's been only about the intro,,, showing the intro without the movie sample, saying it had horror strings (only the intro has really strong strings like that), etc.. 

    NOW my belief is that, Eclipse heard "it took thir-" as we know thats how the song starts anyway.. he then mistook it as "You took the" and posted it as "You took the #SR" (Something Real) bc he was too giddy abt getting that (why would u post lyrics to something recorded literally the same day or week is beyond me) but yeah... it all makes so much sense when u put it together and I'm 100% believing it.

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  15. Posted

    1 minute ago, The Love Witch said:

    Thank you!!! :trisha:

    Hopefully one day we’ll know the producers of the remaining songs. My unreleased collection needs to be flawless!

    literally the day we find out the producer of My Best Days,  I really think peace will come to earth in a second coming of christ situation 

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  17. Posted

    2 minutes ago, The Love Witch said:

    Bump :crying2:

    Crazy for You and California are by Rick 

    1 minute ago, Billie said:

    On the same topic of Cherry Blossom, how come Rick is credited as a producer if he wasn’t in the country by the time the song was made? :tommy:

    one of life's many questions....

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  18. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Say Yes to Heaven said:

    Ok I retract my statement on FD and DG being same session, well idk if you'd consider it same session still but -

    Fake Diamond was done on February 28th, 2011. Dreamgirl was done March 1st.. so a 2 day session basically (March 1st was the next day) (same producer, for Dreamgirl only vocals.)
    Playing Dangerous and Bad Boy were done sometime in August 2010 alongside another song I don't know much abt and a rerecording of Bad Boy.. these last two I never got access to unfortunately D: 

    This is not pertaining to Lana, but Cherry Blossom and Nectar of the Gods were done May 5th alongside a Barrie cover of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" by Nirvana.. Lana doesn't sing in this at all but she was there. 
     

    and yes Mads Louis Hauge and Phil Thornalley did Playing Dangerous and Bad Boy in the same session, which featured a very early version of the latter. The unknown song and rerecorded Bad Boy were done in the same session maybe a few days after

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  19. Posted

    Ok I retract my statement on FD and DG being same session, well idk if you'd consider it same session still but -

    Fake Diamond was done on February 28th, 2011. Dreamgirl was done March 1st.. so a 2 day session basically (March 1st was the next day) (same producer, for Dreamgirl only vocals.)
    Playing Dangerous and Bad Boy were done sometime in August 2010 alongside another song I don't know much abt and a rerecording of Bad Boy.. these last two I never got access to unfortunately D: 

    This is not pertaining to Lana, but Cherry Blossom and Nectar of the Gods were done May 5th alongside a Barrie cover of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" by Nirvana.. Lana doesn't sing in this at all but she was there. 
     

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  22. Posted

    8 minutes ago, The Love Witch said:

    @BlackoutZone sorry to bother you again, sweetie but do you happen to know who produced the following songs?

     

    You and Me

    Crazy for You

    California (2014)

    Back to tha Basics

    Fake Diamond

    Fake Diamond and Dreamgirl were produced in the same session, Fake Diamond's instrumental was done by a relatively unknown producer.. Dreamgirl used a pitched instrumental by someone i forgot the name of so basically im no help rn but yeah 

     

    There was also a full folder of other beats but she chose Dreamgirl's instead... 

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  25. Posted

    41 minutes ago, kaliuchis said:

    this is so 😭😭 totally love it

    however, it kiiinda feels like a Por Vida demo so idk, do we know where the leak came from?

    the song is from all the way back in 2013! there used to be a vine of her singing it in some garage looking place while someone plays the drums/piano, it was a lot more “live rock-y” ,, i place this Chris Braide version around 2014! 

     

    She had posted a photo of her library w old songs (2013/2014) and there was one teasing a song w Chris Braide so i guess we know what it is now! 

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