THE ELECTION 2K16

[graham4anything 2,859]

@@Cacciatore-

When I hit quote, nothing shows up at all, so I can't do that blockquote. Only once on a different computer was I able to even cut/paste something.

 

Note- not all of this is directed at you, some are from other responses.

 

meanwhile, Bernie's deep operatives tore Hillary down, brought the word rigging into the conversation, and directly helped Trump whether he himself realized it or not

Complicit and complacent.

Bernie made zero effort to win any black voter in the south, he put down the CBC, he put down the legendary civil rights champion John Lewis, his people implied even worse, bringing up any stereotypes and calling them stupid.

(Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver were the heads of his operation and while perhaps they went rogue, and then he had no control, but tad Devine, longtime operative,created the primary system he railed against and made a million dollars.

 

Bernie's one paragraph sounded great, but was not feasible, even he couldn't put into words how it would be paid for. (50% higher taxes minimum for all workers).

 

He only got favorable media at the start because he was a useful idiot. The media hated Hillary, they wanted her torn down (there was NO media that wanted her.

Not alt-right, not the horrible Greenwald and the alt-left, (Greenwald is a libertarian Ron Paul fanatic, who is paid by people who support the tearing down of America).

 

Last honest newsperson was Dan Rather and Jack Germond. Dan was taken down by Bush41 and CBS who didn't want to pay him for years, and used Justin Timberlake

manhandling of Janet Jackson to achieve it. (Yet of course, the black woman, Janet Jackson, was blamed and Justin became the #1 star, interesting of course how that worked out, and Janet has never recovered, much like Dixie Chicks never much did (as witness the CMA award outrage when they performed with Beyonce.)

 

Had Elizabeth Warren run, she might have won, but she (of her own free mind and will), said she wasn't running and didn't (making her more honest than Bernie).

Perhaps in 2020 she will be nominated and win. Elizabeth Warren worked hard FOR the Democratic party and is proud to be a Democratic party person (the D) next to her name. Bernie was embarrassed by the party, yet, if one believes Bernie, he is good friends with Hillary and didn't buy into the rightwing lies from the last 40 years.

 

And many people around Bernie hate immigrants of all type. Tulsi Gabbard is an Islamaphobe and anti-immigration. (And she just met with Trump).

Much hatred for immigrants from Bernie's people.

 

and please, people everywhere put down Hillary, call her all sort of names, yet anyone say anything bad about Bernie (or Trump) and the whining starts.

 

Hillary won more popular vote than anyone except President Obama in 2008. Leads now by 1.72 million votes and counting

 

and today, the courts ruled Wisconsin made the most flagrant violation in illegal redistricting they have ever seen. (Unfortunately now Trump will stack the court and nothing will come of it, thereby rigging it even more.)

 

The court was going to be flipped, President Obama was (because he was black) denied his pick Garland to move the court to the left for the first time in 60 years, that's 60 years.

Now it may be 50 more years if Trump gets more than one pick. One has to hope and pray no other opening happens in the next 4 years.

 

and people whine that Bernie's absolutism might have led to utopia.  Please. 

BTW- as regard to American health care costs- it all begins with THE DOCTOR. the Doctor charges insane high prices and bilks the system. It doesn't start with

insurance companies or hospitals, it is the Doctor that warps all the costs.

They don't allow that in Canada or France or the other nations where there are better systems.

So, will doctor's give up their riches? It all begins with them

 

(Yet, without a teacher, who are badly paid, there would be no doctors. And without nurses (also badly paid) there would be no survivors.

 

and Trump wants to get rid of regulations, meaning more quacks (like the loopy green candidate who is an anti-vaxxer and anti-vaxxers are bringing back eradicated diseases and as Republicans don't believe in Science, good luck on getting new cures (survival of the fittest).

 

If one wants Bernie's Utopian society, then everyone should work for nothing for the good of the collective.

which is fantasy land.

 

The US is a capitalistic society, and one that people worldwide want to come her (and the Statue of Liberty says all are welcome with open arms).

Yet Bernie is not a fan of immigration. Everyone sees the riches America has and wants it. (Not that that is good or bad, it just is).

 

If only President Obama could pardon unconditionally 100% of everyone who is in America, that would be a great thing.

One for all and all for one. Shame that Bernie fans weren't happy it was not Absolute enough, quick enough.

 

The damn shame is how this now delays everything that inevitably will come.

If there is a world after Trump/Pence are history.

 

(of course it goes without saying Lana's lyric in American rings true- the one where everyone wants to go fast, but they can't compare

 

and now it might never happened thanks to the religious fundamentalists on the republican side, and Bernie's absolutism for a Utopian society of a country

the size of a single state in America, that can't be applied to a nation that has no interest in much of that to start off with.

Thing Bernie doesn't understand is, he needs congress. He should have built the congress in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, but he did nothing (and almost no one he

backed won.)

 

It was President Obama that got Elizabeth Warren into the Senate in 2012, and Tammy Duckworth into the senate this year.

 

and the worst thing about Trump is, even if he were impeached, Pence and Ryan and Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell (who refused to accept a black man as President) and all the others are even worse.

 

United we stand, divided we fall. 1968 1980. 2000. 2016

Imagine how great life would be had the courts been liberal the last 50 years instead of rightwing for 60 and now might be 50 more.

 

Perhaps it's me being older and having seen the same thing happen in those past elections

(Most don't realize today, that Bobby Kennedy came into the 1968 race not as an outsider, but to stop Eugene McCarthy, who was the outsider after LBJ decided not to run again. Had LBJ run in 1968 and ditched Humphrey, and picked Bobby as VP, they would easily have won, and Bobby would have gone on to be President in 1972 and 1976, perhaps followed by perhaps Dr. King himself might have been picked as Bobby's VP and run for President in 1980 and 1984.

 

Now we have a President whose idea of running the country is to send texts whining about the cast of Hamilton, in a show he never saw,

and a show regular people can't get tickets to, yet, somehow, VP Pence got comp tix. What's that about the First Amendment in Trump world?

[daytonadeath 3,597]

Thank you for your insight. You are very knowledgable in politics. Have you studied it in the past?

Well, I study politics bc I love behaviorism (I study psychology in college!) and politics it's one of the most importants themes bc you have to study the institutions that have some kind of control on people lifes/behavior (like our culture, the State, the instituions, etc...). If you're interested, there's a book called "science and human behavior", by B.F Skinner. It's an amazing book! 

[graham4anything 2,859]

RU a fan of  the Honorable Rev. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Governor Jerry Brown?
 

[reputation 6,321]

it's easy to support capitalism when you live in USA/Europe. I want you to support capitalism if you're starving in Sierra Lione

 

Like an American

[analwinterofmylife 2,644]

@@Cacciatore-

When I hit quote, nothing shows up at all, so I can't do that blockquote. Only once on a different computer was I able to even cut/paste something.

 

Note- not all of this is directed at you, some are from other responses.

 

meanwhile, Bernie's deep operatives tore Hillary down, brought the word rigging into the conversation, and directly helped Trump whether he himself realized it or not

Complicit and complacent.

Bernie made zero effort to win any black voter in the south, he put down the CBC, he put down the legendary civil rights champion John Lewis, his people implied even worse, bringing up any stereotypes and calling them stupid.

(Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver were the heads of his operation and while perhaps they went rogue, and then he had no control, but tad Devine, longtime operative,created the primary system he railed against and made a million dollars.

 

Bernie's one paragraph sounded great, but was not feasible, even he couldn't put into words how it would be paid for. (50% higher taxes minimum for all workers).

 

He only got favorable media at the start because he was a useful idiot. The media hated Hillary, they wanted her torn down (there was NO media that wanted her.

Not alt-right, not the horrible Greenwald and the alt-left, (Greenwald is a libertarian Ron Paul fanatic, who is paid by people who support the tearing down of America).

 

Last honest newsperson was Dan Rather and Jack Germond. Dan was taken down by Bush41 and CBS who didn't want to pay him for years, and used Justin Timberlake

manhandling of Janet Jackson to achieve it. (Yet of course, the black woman, Janet Jackson, was blamed and Justin became the #1 star, interesting of course how that worked out, and Janet has never recovered, much like Dixie Chicks never much did (as witness the CMA award outrage when they performed with Beyonce.)

 

Had Elizabeth Warren run, she might have won, but she (of her own free mind and will), said she wasn't running and didn't (making her more honest than Bernie).

Perhaps in 2020 she will be nominated and win. Elizabeth Warren worked hard FOR the Democratic party and is proud to be a Democratic party person (the D) next to her name. Bernie was embarrassed by the party, yet, if one believes Bernie, he is good friends with Hillary and didn't buy into the rightwing lies from the last 40 years.

 

And many people around Bernie hate immigrants of all type. Tulsi Gabbard is an Islamaphobe and anti-immigration. (And she just met with Trump).

Much hatred for immigrants from Bernie's people.

 

and please, people everywhere put down Hillary, call her all sort of names, yet anyone say anything bad about Bernie (or Trump) and the whining starts.

 

Hillary won more popular vote than anyone except President Obama in 2008. Leads now by 1.72 million votes and counting

 

and today, the courts ruled Wisconsin made the most flagrant violation in illegal redistricting they have ever seen. (Unfortunately now Trump will stack the court and nothing will come of it, thereby rigging it even more.)

 

The court was going to be flipped, President Obama was (because he was black) denied his pick Garland to move the court to the left for the first time in 60 years, that's 60 years.

Now it may be 50 more years if Trump gets more than one pick. One has to hope and pray no other opening happens in the next 4 years.

 

and people whine that Bernie's absolutism might have led to utopia.  Please. 

BTW- as regard to American health care costs- it all begins with THE DOCTOR. the Doctor charges insane high prices and bilks the system. It doesn't start with

insurance companies or hospitals, it is the Doctor that warps all the costs.

They don't allow that in Canada or France or the other nations where there are better systems.

So, will doctor's give up their riches? It all begins with them

 

(Yet, without a teacher, who are badly paid, there would be no doctors. And without nurses (also badly paid) there would be no survivors.

 

and Trump wants to get rid of regulations, meaning more quacks (like the loopy green candidate who is an anti-vaxxer and anti-vaxxers are bringing back eradicated diseases and as Republicans don't believe in Science, good luck on getting new cures (survival of the fittest).

 

If one wants Bernie's Utopian society, then everyone should work for nothing for the good of the collective.

which is fantasy land.

 

The US is a capitalistic society, and one that people worldwide want to come her (and the Statue of Liberty says all are welcome with open arms).

Yet Bernie is not a fan of immigration. Everyone sees the riches America has and wants it. (Not that that is good or bad, it just is).

 

If only President Obama could pardon unconditionally 100% of everyone who is in America, that would be a great thing.

One for all and all for one. Shame that Bernie fans weren't happy it was not Absolute enough, quick enough.

 

The damn shame is how this now delays everything that inevitably will come.

If there is a world after Trump/Pence are history.

 

(of course it goes without saying Lana's lyric in American rings true- the one where everyone wants to go fast, but they can't compare

 

and now it might never happened thanks to the religious fundamentalists on the republican side, and Bernie's absolutism for a Utopian society of a country

the size of a single state in America, that can't be applied to a nation that has no interest in much of that to start off with.

Thing Bernie doesn't understand is, he needs congress. He should have built the congress in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, but he did nothing (and almost no one he

backed won.)

 

It was President Obama that got Elizabeth Warren into the Senate in 2012, and Tammy Duckworth into the senate this year.

 

and the worst thing about Trump is, even if he were impeached, Pence and Ryan and Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell (who refused to accept a black man as President) and all the others are even worse.

 

United we stand, divided we fall. 1968 1980. 2000. 2016

Imagine how great life would be had the courts been liberal the last 50 years instead of rightwing for 60 and now might be 50 more.

 

Perhaps it's me being older and having seen the same thing happen in those past elections

(Most don't realize today, that Bobby Kennedy came into the 1968 race not as an outsider, but to stop Eugene McCarthy, who was the outsider after LBJ decided not to run again. Had LBJ run in 1968 and ditched Humphrey, and picked Bobby as VP, they would easily have won, and Bobby would have gone on to be President in 1972 and 1976, perhaps followed by perhaps Dr. King himself might have been picked as Bobby's VP and run for President in 1980 and 1984.

 

Now we have a President whose idea of running the country is to send texts whining about the cast of Hamilton, in a show he never saw,

and a show regular people can't get tickets to, yet, somehow, VP Pence got comp tix. What's that about the First Amendment in Trump world?

what do you mean by bernie's people? how is bernie against immigration? i feel like you the bernie's policies to some kind of extreme.. his agenda was socialist flavored but you make it sound like he actually would've turned the usa into a textbook socialist place.. that would be not only impossible..but also nowhere near the case.. to insinuate that america could become like other countries is silly. I feel like youre taking your textbook idea of dirty socialism, and applying it to bernie.. while his policies are more socialist than what is already in place.. its not like he's handing means of production over to workers or anything super radical.. more like creating a socialist version of capitalism. 

 

also he did explain how he would pay for it.. like his plans for paying for all this stuff were laid out clearly. Some of the more notable things were wall street speculation tax, raising taxes on the wealthy, cutting our bloated military budget, better trade deals.. I understand his plan also would've raised taxes on people too, but things like his healthcare, and education plans as well as raising the minimum wage would've provided ways for people to save money

 

im getting the vibe that you arent super informed on his policies or plans to pay for stuff, or who his supporters were, or the reasons why his plans are sort of the cure to a lot of the issues that capitalism has created. True socialist type set ups come with their own problems... but idk if we can truly gauge what those problems may have been considering that what bernie wanted to do was sort of different than things done recently. Also I have a hard time understanding why you think bernie is so absolutist when he totally went halfsies with clinton, and changes on the democratic platform. I think the kind of absolutism he was pushing for was not an instant demand that federal government all of a sudden become a textbook socialist system... but his idea was to inspire a ground level, bottom up approach to reinvigorating the political process on a local, and state wide level..that could then be channeled to sway the federal government, which he would work to take basically anything he could get with. I think its very silly to assume that bernie was some how naively absolutist. 

 

I bet in a lot of ways bernie would've just been a hillary that was a bit more beholden to the working class than to wall street, except that he would've inspired more political change and involvement on a state wide and local level. unlike clinton, who im sure wouldve disappeared into the whitehouse as soon as she got the keys, bernie would've continued to work to use his bully pulpit. much like what donald trump does with twitter.. except for actual issues. I think this is something bernie is especially passionate about since he has been basically campaigning ever since last year.. even now he has a position as an outreach leader with the DNC.

[graham4anything 2,859]

so many non-sequiturs and strawmen

 

NO Bernie did not do that, this, that this that that that that or that. and no, he never articulated how he would come up with the money just his

billion time repeated one paragraph he kept yapping about that he memorized like a true demagogue that he was/is.

 

In his 40 year history (his only job has been lifetime politician, who fled NYC for the safety of Vermont, who took money from the NRA and who continually backed the second amendment (unlike the majority of the Democratic party), Bernie did NOT back the continuation of the Brady bill nor most anything else

(and the WMD issue (the things that shoot and cause mass destruction) are one of the most important issues of today (Places like Australia and others have gotten rid of guns, and you don't see many mass shootings of school kids and movie theatres that are not terroristic anywhere else but here

 

Bernie backed a few people here and there, almost all of them have lost (He backed Alan Grayson who is a wife-beater/abuser and one of the worst of the worst)

and backed the candidate who ran and lost a landslide to Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz who is beloved in Florida  (why was he vindictive, and not backing candidates

to win against Republicans?)

He is against immigration and is a nationalist himself

(he seems to forget the legendary Cesar Chavez, who origionally was anti-immigration changed his mind later on)

 

and as for his ideas, NO he did not tell people the truth about who would pay. The money from the rich wouldn't make any dent in what he had planned.

Yes, he would have wanted some sort of VAT tax like European nations (which affects the poor and middle class far more than the rich who have the money to spend

more)

 

and his people (both his operators like Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver, whether he authorized their statements, or they were rogue, or his fan club fanatics (yes his Bernie-bros, almost all male, all white) hit the comments sections of every article, made it 100% anti-Hillary and never said a peep about Trump

(Majority of those were most likely Republican to start off with.

 

In 40 years, Bernie had few friends in congress, the same people he needed to work with after he would be elected, and just raising his voice and his fist in the air

doesn't accomplish anything

 

Good luck in getting the Republicans to cut the military, ain't gonna happen. President Obama wanted Gitmo closed, and people like NY's Peter King

did not allow it.

 

Meanwhile, Bernie supporters like Tulsi Gabbard are Islamaphobics and hate immigration and she would think nothing of bombing Iran to achieve her goals.

 

White Nationalism=Nazi's and the KKK. Who now have risen yet again with their hatred.

 

Anyone who has followed the fight against Gay marriage knows that those states in the North (Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa are filled with

hatred to anyone different and all had Republican tea-party type Governors, so they were Red states already (thanks to Gerrymandering most districts were Republican, with black in the big cities all crammed into one or at most two districts, unfair representation.

 

and please tell me who he voted for in the most important 1980 election. That says it all. (1980). and please list who he helped get into office

 

(even Russ Feingold who he backed, lost a landslide in Wisconsin).

 

at end of day, Bernie=Nadar=Ron Paul. Go around the block, and those on the far left bump into those on the far right, and the cottage industry knows

that in losing, they can whine louder, instead of actually working to achieve something by compromise, which is what the US is founded on

 

In the end, Hillary won. The Democratic party won. The most votes. The most total votes for Senate and House.

 

Here's hoping and praying the Supreme Court only has the current opening and no more the next 4 years.

 

And Kudo's to President Obama for saying once he is no longer President, he will be fighting hard for HIS causes and not retiring.

2020 is right around the corner, and he won't sit still.

Now Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau are the leaders of the free world, and President Obama will be fighting with them.

(and I look forward to future work by Holder on Gerrymandering and on Civil Rights and voting rights. Eric Holder is a great person, wrongly maligned

(because the NRA hates him)

[graham4anything 2,859]

Seems Hillary indeed won the election, but her title was stripped like happened to Muhammad Ali in the 60s.

 

Green Party candidate Jill Stein has now raised more than 2.5 million dollars to pay for the recounts in 3 states, all of which seem to have had funny oddities occur.

(only a candidate in the race in a state can challenge the results).

 

Michigan

PA

Wisconsin

 

Hillary meanwhile now has more than a TWO MILLION vote lead in the popular votes.

 

While it is the longest of longshots, it goes with the fact that Trump himself kept saying it was rigged, and voila, the party that was rigging it was Trump's.

[analwinterofmylife 2,644]

so many non-sequiturs and strawmen

 

NO Bernie did not do that, this, that this that that that that or that. and no, he never articulated how he would come up with the money just his

billion time repeated one paragraph he kept yapping about that he memorized like a true demagogue that he was/is.

 

In his 40 year history (his only job has been lifetime politician, who fled NYC for the safety of Vermont, who took money from the NRA and who continually backed the second amendment (unlike the majority of the Democratic party), Bernie did NOT back the continuation of the Brady bill nor most anything else

(and the WMD issue (the things that shoot and cause mass destruction) are one of the most important issues of today (Places like Australia and others have gotten rid of guns, and you don't see many mass shootings of school kids and movie theatres that are not terroristic anywhere else but here

 

Bernie backed a few people here and there, almost all of them have lost (He backed Alan Grayson who is a wife-beater/abuser and one of the worst of the worst)

and backed the candidate who ran and lost a landslide to Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz who is beloved in Florida  (why was he vindictive, and not backing candidates

to win against Republicans?)

He is against immigration and is a nationalist himself

(he seems to forget the legendary Cesar Chavez, who origionally was anti-immigration changed his mind later on)

 

and as for his ideas, NO he did not tell people the truth about who would pay. The money from the rich wouldn't make any dent in what he had planned.

Yes, he would have wanted some sort of VAT tax like European nations (which affects the poor and middle class far more than the rich who have the money to spend

more)

 

and his people (both his operators like Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver, whether he authorized their statements, or they were rogue, or his fan club fanatics (yes his Bernie-bros, almost all male, all white) hit the comments sections of every article, made it 100% anti-Hillary and never said a peep about Trump

(Majority of those were most likely Republican to start off with.

 

In 40 years, Bernie had few friends in congress, the same people he needed to work with after he would be elected, and just raising his voice and his fist in the air

doesn't accomplish anything

 

Good luck in getting the Republicans to cut the military, ain't gonna happen. President Obama wanted Gitmo closed, and people like NY's Peter King

did not allow it.

 

Meanwhile, Bernie supporters like Tulsi Gabbard are Islamaphobics and hate immigration and she would think nothing of bombing Iran to achieve her goals.

 

White Nationalism=Nazi's and the KKK. Who now have risen yet again with their hatred.

 

Anyone who has followed the fight against Gay marriage knows that those states in the North (Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa are filled with

hatred to anyone different and all had Republican tea-party type Governors, so they were Red states already (thanks to Gerrymandering most districts were Republican, with black in the big cities all crammed into one or at most two districts, unfair representation.

 

and please tell me who he voted for in the most important 1980 election. That says it all. (1980). and please list who he helped get into office

 

(even Russ Feingold who he backed, lost a landslide in Wisconsin).

 

at end of day, Bernie=Nadar=Ron Paul. Go around the block, and those on the far left bump into those on the far right, and the cottage industry knows

that in losing, they can whine louder, instead of actually working to achieve something by compromise, which is what the US is founded on

 

In the end, Hillary won. The Democratic party won. The most votes. The most total votes for Senate and House.

 

Here's hoping and praying the Supreme Court only has the current opening and no more the next 4 years.

 

And Kudo's to President Obama for saying once he is no longer President, he will be fighting hard for HIS causes and not retiring.

2020 is right around the corner, and he won't sit still.

Now Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau are the leaders of the free world, and President Obama will be fighting with them.

(and I look forward to future work by Holder on Gerrymandering and on Civil Rights and voting rights. Eric Holder is a great person, wrongly maligned

(because the NRA hates him)

 

do u have receipts on any of this stuff or are u just gonna demagogue it up with like...no back up? cuz he did talk about his plans for taxation.. 

also why do you say he is a nationalist or is against immigration? what are the receipts on that?

 

like if you wanna make points. cite ur shit and give links, info so that i can like see this stuff. Im not one to just blindly agree with people, so if im missing shady tea about bernie link me to it! i'd sure as hell like to know. 

 

also he wasnt being vindictive against debbie.. he was supporting someone who he actually had reasons to support. 

[graham4anything 2,859]

I am thrilled Debbie Wasserman Schulz won reelection. She did great as DNC head.

In fact, everything President Obama did was the best the USA did since LBJ was President.

 

Bernie is just a useful idiot who is so happy that Trump won and Bernie can say  I told you so, when in fact it is his doing for being such a useful idiot.

I have zero respect for him and his bull, and Hillary is far to the left of Bernie. Every bad thing Trump will do, is on Bernie's conscious. Just like Ralph Nader.

 

BTW, I ask again- who did Bernie vote for in 1980. Simple, real easy question. No one ever answers it.

 

and Bernie is forwarding more rightwing talking points, saying the white nationalist line about "identity politics" which means white racist nationalism

 

the Democratic base is all the colors of the rainbow, and all forms of religion and atheists and sexual preferences.

 

Hillary won. Bernie lost. He shouldn't even be part of the conversation. Why doesn't he shut up and do what he is paid big money for?

Bernie Nader. Now happy that he can be a big mouth for the next 4 years. I hope the CBC and others don't listen to him

(and of course Bernie wants to oust yet another woman as Democratic leader in the house, the Honorable Nancy Pelosi.

 

Why does Bernie hate women and minorities?

 

I betcha Bernie will be happy with the new SCOTUS choice too.

Last time the court was not a conservative republican court was 60 plus years ago. Not that Bernie cares. He isn't a liberal.

He is a progressive demagogue  and all demagogues are bad, Hitler, Huey Long, David Duke, Ron Paul, George Wallace,

Ralph Nader, and add Bernie, the useful idiot,  to this list.

 

Not one Democratic candidate he championed won their first election this year. He is an o-fer. All he did was divide the party,

is NOT a Democratic party person to begin with, and added nothing to the Democratic party.

 

Now we can hope Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau can save the world from the tyranny of Trump, the Puppet of Putin

 

and hope the Governor's races can be won in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and beyond.

 

that's my opinion! Smile, those repeated every right wing lie against Hillary are suppose to be happy that she won't be seated.

 

Those that care, like me, are not.

[analwinterofmylife 2,644]

I am thrilled Debbie Wasserman Schulz won reelection. She did great as DNC head.

In fact, everything President Obama did was the best the USA did since LBJ was President.

 

 

https://youtu.be/Rwy0pDeJLnc?t=109  shes missed more votes than any other democrat, shes for fracking, shes against expanding social security, she supports predatory payday lenders, she supports the TPP, she voted to protect banks from regulations... also she did horrible with scheduling the dem debates, and lied about bernie, saying his supporters caused violence at the Los vegas committee never happened. also her employee's colluded with other dems to defeat a fellow democrat. 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, I ask again- who did Bernie vote for in 1980. Simple, real easy question. No one ever answers it.

 

 

 

you should just enlighten us with this info. 

 

 

 

and Bernie is forwarding more rightwing talking points, saying the white nationalist line about "identity politics" which means white racist nationalism

 

the Democratic base is all the colors of the rainbow, and all forms of religion and atheists and sexual preferences.

 

 

 

 

 

Bernie is against identity politics which is a shallow way of dealing honestly. As someone who kept up with his campaign i guarantee you it was more inclusive than hillary's. He was one of the only candidates who even talked about native american issues as well. (he also spoke to many other minority people..idk why u seem to think he is against people of color or gays..like as someone who is a gay person of color i wouldve stopped supporting him if he was putting off anti poc, and anti lgbtq teas.. he signed the ok for the first pride parade in vermont i think..something like that as mayor.)

 

 

.

 

Hillary won. Bernie lost. He shouldn't even be part of the conversation. Why doesn't he shut up and do what he is paid big money for?

Bernie Nader. Now happy that he can be a big mouth for the next 4 years. I hope the CBC and others don't listen to him

(and of course Bernie wants to oust yet another woman as Democratic leader in the house, the Honorable Nancy Pelosi.

 

Why does Bernie hate women and minorities?

 

 

 

Also bernie is part of the discussion because he's talking about many many issues that are affecting large parts of the american people. Speaking against climate change, against the TPP, he's calling for better healthcare, free education, green/sustainable energy, higher minimum wage .etc... he's also a senator and he has a spot in the DNC  as an outreach coordinator.. He's influential 

 

also you should hear some factual criticisms of nancy and debbie.. obviously you have never even heard one bad thing about them.. there is shit out there henny. he's not just hating on them cuz theyre women. He doesnt hate women and minorities, he is for women's rights to choose, and womens rights to birth control health care, closing the wage gap etc.. 

 

 

I betcha Bernie will be happy with the new SCOTUS choice too.

Last time the court was not a conservative republican court was 60 plus years ago. Not that Bernie cares. He isn't a liberal.

He is a progressive demagogue  and all demagogues are bad, Hitler, Huey Long, David Duke, Ron Paul, George Wallace,

Ralph Nader, and add Bernie, the useful idiot,  to this list.

 

 

sorry but this makes no sense omg... He is OBVIOUSLY against everything that a conservative supreme court member would want.... like obviously LOL .. also to put bernie in with hitler is such a reach omgg mess

 

 

Not one Democratic candidate he championed won their first election this year. He is an o-fer. All he did was divide the party,

is NOT a Democratic party person to begin with, and added nothing to the Democratic party.

 

 

 

Probably because he doesnt support people who are corporate whores lol. He didnt divide the party.. you realize a lot of people who voted bernie DID vote for hillary.. and also many people who wouldve voted bernie wouldn't have voted for hillary even if he didnt ever run.. hillary has been disliked for a long time. SHE LOST TO A BLACK MAN WITH A "MUSLIM" NAME IN 2008 the US has hated her for a long time lmfao

 

also he . Pressured the Democratic Party to support the middle and working classes. 

Forced the Democratic Party to address the issue of money in politics.

Made the Democratic Party the party for millennials (to a certain extent).

Upended the Democratic Party's status quo. (source http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/287362-4-ways-bernie-sanders-changed-the-democratic-party ) here is another article explaining what he did for the dem http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party/ 

 

 

 

 

that's my opinion! Smile, those repeated every right wing lie against Hillary are suppose to be happy that she won't be seated.

 

Those that care, like me, are not.

 

ur opinion really isn't factual or backed by any facts so far like. i sent u links to everything ive said....you haven't cited anything. yet you're going after people for being a demagogue ? lmfao 

like do you know how to reply? are you reading any of this? cuz i feel like you just ignore everything i say every time

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Bernie, the useful idiot, the Ralph Nader of 2016, must be so happy with what he accomplished, and now he is raising his fist to the air, yet now it's too late.

 

Everything Bernie wanted, he lost, as Trump won't do anything Bernie wanted, meanwhile, he could have stopped railing against Hillary, and done more against Trump, but he liked the idea of Trump.

(Bernie should have ran as a Republican, perhaps more people would like his anti-semetic code words like bankers and wall street that he spews, and his pro-Putin and pro-Russia talk.

 

Wages? Now it won't go up to 15 or 12, it will probably drop to 6 or 7

Student Loan's will not be forgiven, in fact, they will be prosecuted if not paid, and if a person has assets, those will be taken

 

Health care? They are repealing without replacing on day one.

 

Unless President Obama left some traps, 100 million people will suffer from losing their insurance or medicare or Medicaid

 

Climate Control? Forget about it, Trump believes it is a hoax.

 

Bernie, the Useful idiot, tore down Hillary, continues to think he would have won.

Bernie wouldn't have gotten more than 3 EVs if he ran, total.

 

shame is, it will take 60 years to clean up Trump's mess.

 

Today Trump congratulated another two dictators that Putin is friends with, and then messed around with Taiwan provoking China.

 

All to stop a woman from being President, same as Republicans refused to work with a Black President.

 

what a shame.

 

Buyer's remorse is now setting in from Trump's voters, who thought he was only talking about taking away benefits from blacks and Latinos and has found out, he is taking away THEIR benefits too.
What a bunch of "morans" as the tea party signs called it.

 

Thanks Bernie and the Bernie Bros!

 

If Trump has his way, women, minorities, Gays, Transgender, anyone different will lose all their rights.

 

btw, Hillary won. Look at Donald try to scamper around one lawsuit after another, with his Republican Governor friends in Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida.

 

BTW- I wantedthe agenda of President Obama to continue, his Presidency was one of the greatest in history. If that is status quo, I wanted that, as did 65 million others, and Hillary has gotten the votes

of more people than in any election except for President Obama 2008.  Hilllary was the true populist, however, not a demagogue (and demagogues are a truly bad thing to be, has there ever been in history one

good one?)

 

Shame people think taking away everything from the poor and the benefits of the middle class are a good thing, in the name of absolutism that Bernie, the useful idiot spewed.

 

10% of something, is better than 100% of nothing.

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Bernie, the useful idiot, the Ralph Nader of 2016, must be so happy with what he accomplished, and now he is raising his fist to the air, yet now it's too late.

 

Everything Bernie wanted, he lost, as Trump won't do anything Bernie wanted, meanwhile, he could have stopped railing against Hillary, and done more against Trump, but he liked the idea of Trump.

(Bernie should have ran as a Republican, perhaps more people would like his anti-semetic code words like bankers and wall street that he spews, and his pro-Putin and pro-Russia talk.

 

Wages? Now it won't go up to 15 or 12, it will probably drop to 6 or 7

Student Loan's will not be forgiven, in fact, they will be prosecuted if not paid, and if a person has assets, those will be taken

 

Health care? They are repealing without replacing on day one.

 

Unless President Obama left some traps, 100 million people will suffer from losing their insurance or medicare or Medicaid

 

Climate Control? Forget about it, Trump believes it is a hoax.

 

Bernie, the Useful idiot, tore down Hillary, continues to think he would have won.

Bernie wouldn't have gotten more than 3 EVs if he ran, total.

 

shame is, it will take 60 years to clean up Trump's mess.

 

Today Trump congratulated another two dictators that Putin is friends with, and then messed around with Taiwan provoking China.

 

All to stop a woman from being President, same as Republicans refused to work with a Black President.

 

what a shame.

 

Buyer's remorse is now setting in from Trump's voters, who thought he was only talking about taking away benefits from blacks and Latinos and has found out, he is taking away THEIR benefits too.

What a bunch of "morans" as the tea party signs called it.

 

Thanks Bernie and the Bernie Bros!

 

If Trump has his way, women, minorities, Gays, Transgender, anyone different will lose all their rights.

 

btw, Hillary won. Look at Donald try to scamper around one lawsuit after another, with his Republican Governor friends in Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida.

 

BTW- I wantedthe agenda of President Obama to continue, his Presidency was one of the greatest in history. If that is status quo, I wanted that, as did 65 million others, and Hillary has gotten the votes

of more people than in any election except for President Obama 2008.  Hilllary was the true populist, however, not a demagogue (and demagogues are a truly bad thing to be, has there ever been in history one

good one?)

 

Shame people think taking away everything from the poor and the benefits of the middle class are a good thing, in the name of absolutism that Bernie, the useful idiot spewed.

 

10% of something, is better than 100% of nothing

 

 

gurl delete your account, or learn how to read. 

 

ur a mess cuz ur forgetting bernie campaigned for hillary as soon as he lost the primary. He supported her, wanted people to vote for her so.. people who didnt want to vote for hillary probably wouldn't have voted for hillary even if bernie hadnt ran, because shes a trash candidate lmfao

 

i honestly feel bad for you bc the level of uninformed you are. plus you dont even know how to read make a reply lmfao

 

for someone who seems to know it all ur intelligence is kinda......  

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All I see is you making one ad hominem personal comment against me and thinking Bernie (the useful idiot) is a God above reproach.

 

Bernie's dirty op handlers ran the single most negative scorched earth campaign anyone in history ever ran against the person who should now have been President Clinton

While Bernie professed to be above it all, he knew the rules going in (as his dirty heads of his campaign Tad Devine actually wrote the rules)

 

and like in 1980 when fracture caused the defeat of President Carter (one of the most anti-war, and pro-environment of any President ever

and like in 2000 when Al Gore, who was known for the environment was crucified by Ralph Nader with lie after lie

Same lies against President Clinton this time,

 

and the absolutists demanding 100% got nothing, and now Bernie shakes his fist self-righteously to the air, wondering if Donald Trump lied (like d'uh, Donald Trump has never told the truth in his life, and Bernie is surprised?
What a naïve, gullible man Bernie Sanders is. But he treasures the spotlights on him, doesn't he, all the while promoting his new best seller (at $27.00 a pop, just like his campaign funding he did (not $25 nooo, make the people send in $2 more, $27.00.

 

and to top it off, he is not even a Democratic party person, he refuses to care about the party that helped him become Senator and allowed him to run in the primary.

And gave him a speaking prime time slot.

Yeah, you put Bernie's crowds and Trump's crowds, and it sure looks like they photoshopped the same people in each campaign.

 

While tossing off the CBC and anyone different.

 

Meanwhile, Bernie refused to campaign for 99% of the Democratic under ticket. Only a few people that were extreme left like him.

The people in Florida proudly re-elected Debbie Wasserman Schulz for congress in a landslide.
Meanwhile, Bernie's money would have been better spent against Republicans, not trying to make nice to Donald Trump.

 

and again, who did Bernie vote for in 1980. That is the real Bernie, along with the Bernie that took NRA money and refused to even back the Brady Bill extension,

all those deaths by the WMDs known as guns, are just not important to Bernie.

 

Meanwhile, keep up with the personl ad hominems against me.

 

and NO, Bernie did not really campaign for Hillary. He did a select number of speeches saying the same bull 1 paragraph soundbyte he had used, and just railed against the system and not campaigning for Hillary, not emphasizing all the good she has done in the last 40 years.

Bernie could have done 80 days of campaigning for Hillary in 80 days, and he could have helped Russ Feingold in Wisconsin. Nobody stopped Bernie, but mostly

he was AWOL. (getting a new lakeside mansion all furnished and moving in takes a lot of time, doesn't it?)

 

and now, all those advances LBJ and Dr. King and President Obama made, are going to be taken away.

While some may say they weren't perfect, they were a lot better than what was there prior to those becoming laws.

 

It will take a miracle to have those survive and move forward the next four years.

 

Looking at the cabinet choices Trump is picking, I don't know anyone who thinks they will. (unless one is a billionaire )

 

Wonder how much each pill will cost, anyone on medication 7 days a week after Trump is through?

Wonder how low the per-hour pay of workers will be

Wonder how many unions will be gone (Republican President Reagan started the anti-Union busting, and Trump will continue it

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All I see is you making one ad hominem personal comment against me and thinking Bernie (the useful idiot) is a God above reproach.

 

Bernie's dirty op handlers ran the single most negative scorched earth campaign anyone in history ever ran against the person who should now have been President Clinton

While Bernie professed to be above it all, he knew the rules going in (as his dirty heads of his campaign Tad Devine actually wrote the rules)

 

and like in 1980 when fracture caused the defeat of President Carter (one of the most anti-war, and pro-environment of any President ever

and like in 2000 when Al Gore, who was known for the environment was crucified by Ralph Nader with lie after lie

Same lies against President Clinton this time,

 

and the absolutists demanding 100% got nothing, and now Bernie shakes his fist self-righteously to the air, wondering if Donald Trump lied (like d'uh, Donald Trump has never told the truth in his life, and Bernie is surprised?

What a naïve, gullible man Bernie Sanders is. But he treasures the spotlights on him, doesn't he, all the while promoting his new best seller (at $27.00 a pop, just like his campaign funding he did (not $25 nooo, make the people send in $2 more, $27.00.

 

and to top it off, he is not even a Democratic party person, he refuses to care about the party that helped him become Senator and allowed him to run in the primary.

And gave him a speaking prime time slot.

Yeah, you put Bernie's crowds and Trump's crowds, and it sure looks like they photoshopped the same people in each campaign.

 

While tossing off the CBC and anyone different.

 

Meanwhile, Bernie refused to campaign for 99% of the Democratic under ticket. Only a few people that were extreme left like him.

The people in Florida proudly re-elected Debbie Wasserman Schulz for congress in a landslide.

Meanwhile, Bernie's money would have been better spent against Republicans, not trying to make nice to Donald Trump.

 

and again, who did Bernie vote for in 1980. That is the real Bernie, along with the Bernie that took NRA money and refused to even back the Brady Bill extension,

all those deaths by the WMDs known as guns, are just not important to Bernie.

 

Meanwhile, keep up with the personl ad hominems against me.

 

and NO, Bernie did not really campaign for Hillary. He did a select number of speeches saying the same bull 1 paragraph soundbyte he had used, and just railed against the system and not campaigning for Hillary, not emphasizing all the good she has done in the last 40 years.

Bernie could have done 80 days of campaigning for Hillary in 80 days, and he could have helped Russ Feingold in Wisconsin. Nobody stopped Bernie, but mostly

he was AWOL. (getting a new lakeside mansion all furnished and moving in takes a lot of time, doesn't it?)

 

and now, all those advances LBJ and Dr. King and President Obama made, are going to be taken away.

While some may say they weren't perfect, they were a lot better than what was there prior to those becoming laws.

 

It will take a miracle to have those survive and move forward the next four years.

 

Looking at the cabinet choices Trump is picking, I don't know anyone who thinks they will. (unless one is a billionaire )

 

Wonder how much each pill will cost, anyone on medication 7 days a week after Trump is through?

Wonder how low the per-hour pay of workers will be

Wonder how many unions will be gone (Republican President Reagan started the anti-Union busting, and Trump will continue it

 

im literally only doing an ad hominem attack because you haven't replied to anything ive said! I dont think bernie is god, but i do know facts... 

Trust me , bernie did campaign for hillary, he did interviews, speeches, posts on social media, etc..you make it sound like he shouldn't have even run ? Its a democracy, what he did was highlight the differences between he and clinton, every criticism he said of her was pretty fair and backed up by facts, unlike donny tinyhands. I dont think bernie is godly or anything, i think that gun vote was shady but you cant make it sound like that one thing, and who he voted for in some elections, were worse than all of hillary's wrongdoings. 

 

He also does not refuse to care about the party.. like i was keeping close track of both hillary and bernie's campaign and i really dont understand where you're getting some of these things from. Im someone who tries to stick to factual stuff.. i think ive shown through our discourse that i dont just blatantly trust people(as ive asked you to cite sources multiple times) 

 

When the election started i was neutral about both candidates.. and honestly i thought hilary got a lot of for no real reason.. but later down the line i heard from mostly independent news (non corporate) about some of the things hillary has done.. things that i personally disagree with. 

 

ANYWAYS what you're saying about bernie being an idiot, bernie not caring about the democratic party, he was not absolutist. He fought as long as he could to absolutely win the nom so he could implement his plan as president but after he did that, he continued on to get what he believed would be the best thing for the people of the USA, which was a progressive democratic party platform. 

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It would have been great had President Clinton won the EV and she would have been far left of Bill Clinton, but it still wouldn't have been good enough for the absolutists.

$15 an hour, 12 and hour....forget about either of those numbers now, and forget about major tax increases for the 1% (as Hillary was going to do).

 

as to the alt-media (both alt-right and alt-left, the have hated Hillary, for 40 years, and the Heritage Foundation had their eyes against her back when they were founded, because they knew she was going places they did not want her to go. and kept making one wild accusation after another

against her. (Mostly because she was a strong female and that didn't suit the conservative man's club.

 

and yes, it was her turn.

and it was stolen from her

 

And no, Hillary did not do 99% of those things the alt-media says.

(No Vince was not done away with).

 

(see the end of the High by the beach video for what people should think about those rags)

 

and see how the media gave Trump all that free air time, and not showing anything at all positive on Hillary and the reason I say

"Useful idiot" is because he was used by the media to tear Hillary down (everytime he said rigged, they played it as anti-Hillary), and they gave

Bernie lots of early free time because the media wanted to tear Hillary down, not help him.

And Bernie was never vetted, Trump and the operatives would have torn him apart.

 

yes, Hillary basically ignored him for months, but that is called strategy. That is how campaigns are run, and again, Bernie's senior campaign advisor Tad Devine has been IN the system for at least 7 other Presidential campaigns (he has lost every single one, and was not involved with President Obama's two winning campaigns), and Tad helped the DNC create the rules used in 2016 primary and general election (which he railed against, but he himself helped write it.)

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It would have been great had President Clinton won the EV and she would have been far left of Bill Clinton, but it still wouldn't have been good enough for the absolutists.

$15 an hour, 12 and hour....forget about either of those numbers now, and forget about major tax increases for the 1% (as Hillary was going to do).

 

as to the alt-media (both alt-right and alt-left, the have hated Hillary, for 40 years, and the Heritage Foundation had their eyes against her back when they were founded, because they knew she was going places they did not want her to go. and kept making one wild accusation after another

against her. (Mostly because she was a strong female and that didn't suit the conservative man's club.

 

and yes, it was her turn.

and it was stolen from her

 

And no, Hillary did not do 99% of those things the alt-media says.

(No Vince was not done away with).

 

(see the end of the High by the beach video for what people should think about those rags)

 

and see how the media gave Trump all that free air time, and not showing anything at all positive on Hillary and the reason I say

"Useful idiot" is because he was used by the media to tear Hillary down (everytime he said rigged, they played it as anti-Hillary), and they gave

Bernie lots of early free time because the media wanted to tear Hillary down, not help him.

And Bernie was never vetted, Trump and the operatives would have torn him apart.

 

yes, Hillary basically ignored him for months, but that is called strategy. That is how campaigns are run, and again, Bernie's senior campaign advisor Tad Devine has been IN the system for at least 7 other Presidential campaigns (he has lost every single one, and was not involved with President Obama's two winning campaigns), and Tad helped the DNC create the rules used in 2016 primary and general election (which he railed against, but he himself helped write it.)

 

it was her turn? it was stolen from her? ... gurl last i checked presidential candidates had to earn a vote from people.. hillary really didnt do that much campaigning especially not compared to the fundraising she did!.. as someone who followed the clinton campaign it seemed to me like she wanted the vote only half as bad as bernie did. and i agree the alt right media is a mess and they always come after hillary with inaccurate tea like the vince thing.. such a reach. 

i dont buy into that bs. im talking about promoting fracking, corporate blowjobs, collusion between her campaign and the media, trying to rig the democratic primary against bernie, voting for the war in iraq, what happened in honduras and haiti, not wanting to break up the banks, the way her campaign and her foundation practically launder money(yeah its legal but its still shady).. the emails.. (and not even that the emails happened but what the emails show is important) 

 

also hillary's campaign didn't ignore him for 7 months..

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She did not rig anything. Bernie even said that was not true.

all the rules were in place years prior to Bernie running (and as Bernie's man Tad Devine wrote the rules, he was or should have been aware of it).

(and he wouldn't have run at all had Elizabeth Warren run, and he did not run to win, except his ego late in the day got the best of him)

 

Sorry, but money is needed to run a campaign to win,as the Koch brothers and Adelson and others spent billions for the lower offices, and the private groups spent 100s of millions to help Trump with dirty ads (Trump himself might not have used one penny of his own money, but others did for the Republican party),

 

Hopefully in the near future, Georgia, Texas, NC, Arizona  Florida will be permanent Blue. (and its quite possible the upper norther states might not, but those states

already have Republican governors or legislatures and are not sure-blue states, so it might be easier to disregard those states and work for the southern states

and Texas

(Cecile Richards could run for Gov. of Texas, and then in 2020 be the VP candidate for Kamala Harris or Cory Booker for instance)

Hillary won the millennial vote and won every single minority vote, and won the women's vote.

 

She lost the John Birch Society vote bigly. She lost the KKK vote bigly. She lost the angry white male vote that believe in a massive liar (Trump) who already has backtracked on most everything they would care about.

 

and all those terms Bernie brought into the conversation, all were used against Hillary, because the media swung the conversation to be anti-Hillary, even if

Bernie himself did not mean it (Bernie was ill-equipt to handle the media, as he like Trump loved flattery, even if it was 100% phony.

It was all to tear The Democratic party and Hillary down.

 

and unless we get real lucky with the Supreme Court, it might be 60 years until another opportunity arises.

(If only Scalia's position is filled, then it remains the way it is, and one hopes for good health to Republican SCOTUS Anthony Kennedy as he is somewhat

the 5th vote for social issues, and the 5th good vote for doing away with Gerrymandering.

 

but 2017 brings the election of many governors including NJ, where Chris Chrisite thankfully is term-limited

and 2018 Elizabeth Warren is up for re-election, and they are going to spend 100s of millions to defeat her)

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and I want to reiterate something-

 

I was not a fan of hers in 2008. I wanted and worked for President Obama (wanting him to run in 2004 or be Kerry's VP in 2004) and was fully for him in 2008 and 2012

But Hillary earned my vote, doing a far better job of SOS than 90% of all prior SOS and by teaming up, and not stalking out of the playing field like Bill Bradley did in 2000

and not running a shadow campaign against President Obama.

 

and she was by far the single most qualified candidate (especially as Biden did not run) (and one of the most qualified ever, even if she is not a charismatic candidate, which many people are not, and no, she is not a demagogue )

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She did not rig anything. Bernie even said that was not true.

all the rules were in place years prior to Bernie running (and as Bernie's man Tad Devine wrote the rules, he was or should have been aware of it).

(and he wouldn't have run at all had Elizabeth Warren run, and he did not run to win, except his ego late in the day got the best of him)

 

Sorry, but money is needed to run a campaign to win,as the Koch brothers and Adelson and others spent billions for the lower offices, and the private groups spent 100s of millions to help Trump with dirty ads (Trump himself might not have used one penny of his own money, but others did for the Republican party),

 

Hopefully in the near future, Georgia, Texas, NC, Arizona  Florida will be permanent Blue. (and its quite possible the upper norther states might not, but those states

already have Republican governors or legislatures and are not sure-blue states, so it might be easier to disregard those states and work for the southern states

and Texas

(Cecile Richards could run for Gov. of Texas, and then in 2020 be the VP candidate for Kamala Harris or Cory Booker for instance)

Hillary won the millennial vote and won every single minority vote, and won the women's vote.

 

She lost the John Birch Society vote bigly. She lost the KKK vote bigly. She lost the angry white male vote that believe in a massive liar (Trump) who already has backtracked on most everything they would care about.

 

and all those terms Bernie brought into the conversation, all were used against Hillary, because the media swung the conversation to be anti-Hillary, even if

Bernie himself did not mean it (Bernie was ill-equipt to handle the media, as he like Trump loved flattery, even if it was 100% phony.

It was all to tear The Democratic party and Hillary down.

 

and unless we get real lucky with the Supreme Court, it might be 60 years until another opportunity arises.

(If only Scalia's position is filled, then it remains the way it is, and one hopes for good health to Republican SCOTUS Anthony Kennedy as he is somewhat

the 5th vote for social issues, and the 5th good vote for doing away with Gerrymandering.

 

but 2017 brings the election of many governors including NJ, where Chris Chrisite thankfully is term-limited

and 2018 Elizabeth Warren is up for re-election, and they are going to spend 100s of millions to defeat her)

so it seems like you're blaming bernie as if he consciously tried to turn the media against her, and then u say he was illequiped as if he didnt even know how to interact with media in the first place.. which i find funny because bernie did more interviews and speeches and press meetings than hillary but okay lol

 

 

im not talking about the rules, im talking about people in hillary's campaign going out and tainting bernie's name based on things that weren't true. I'm talking about people like donna brazile slipping hillary questions from the debates early, im talking about debbie wasserman schultz basically campaigning against bernie even tho she was supposed to be the unbiased DNC chair, im talking about the bullshit antics that went down at the democratic national convention, when hillary people covered up bernie signs, when conveniently credentials for bernie supporters got lost, when bernie supporters would have walk out protests and random people were basically hired fill in their space so that chairs wouldn't look empty on tv,(and then they didnt give them their spots back). or how noise canceling machines were put in the audience to drown out bernie supporters.. 

 

this whole attitude of " this belonged to hillary" is anti democratic itself.. in the democratic process people earn votes,... they dont just get installed into the presidency lmfao. It seems to me that you're upset that bernie even tried to campaign/run against hillary.

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Bernie became Ralph Nader, and Nader is a disgusting human being who ruined his 60s legacy and was quite happy that bush won

both times, because it enabled Ralph to keep whining. Much easier would have been to become a cabinet member of Al Gore's admin because, yeah, Bush did a lot for the environment

 

two peas in a pod.

 

And yes, 43 white male Presidents, yes it is time.Hillary was the single most qualified candidate ever (as I notated on post 798).

 

and it is surprising on Lana's board, someone who was bullied because she was a female doing what only males had done prior in the music industry

to defend the bullying against Hillary.

 

Who won the second largest total vote of any candidate in history, only President Obama in 2008 got more votes, and of course, President Obama is one of the greatest

Presidents of all time (it goes without saying).

 

and if she ran in a rematch in 2020, I would support Hillary again. (as she would have run for reelection, she could easily do such

if she chose to).

 

and DWS did what her job is- she was the head of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, not the independent, not the socialist, not the

democrat-socialist party.

 

I would call for a person having to be a named Democratic party person for 5 years before allowing them to run in the Democratic

party. And I would have all primaries closed to only party members. (Like the Republicans will do in 2020).

There was so much mischief done (Rush Limbaugh called it Operation-Kaos, Rush the Vote in 2008, and again this year,

along with Karl Rove's group and others, all being told to vote for Bernie to bring Hillary down.