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#41 OFFLINE   terusama

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:21 AM

i'm taking Western Civ and we literally just finished our WWII and Cold War units....sexwithme is completely right. without interference, this current world would be a lot different, and a lot less free.

i feel like swm's point is being interpretted as "excusing" trump

that's unfortunate, as Hilary and obama also supported the bombing of assads resources.

if we believe in an empathetic interpretation of these actions then why have we not liberated North Korea? why have we ignored the suffering of citizens under oppressive regimes in africa? i don't really believe this is about assad, or syrian citizens, it's about proving a point, or worse, making someone richer. but im just a peace-talks and refugee-intervention kinda gal so what do I know really
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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:23 AM

looking back on ww2 Nazi germany became what they had became because we didn't do anything about it when they started pulling their operation. even hilter in his book said the U.S. could have prevented the Holocaust if they had got rid of the nucleus. how about you study ww2 and nazi germany b4 coming 2 me w/ the history bullshit. 

Sis, he said this in a speech and it was recorded and translated. Plus you're forgetting most of that quote... in the same speech he also said resistance and opposition helped strengthen the Nazi cause.



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:24 AM

"Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.

Daniel Guérin documented this quote in his 1939 book Fascism and Big Business. However, Guérin may have paraphrased Hitler’s actual words as the quote was presented alongside another utterance from a National Socialist leader, Joseph Goebbels, and not with the full text of the speech itself: 
 
If in the beginning, when the Hitler bands were still weak, the workers’ parties had answered them blow for blow, there is no doubt their development would have been hampered. On this point we have the testimony of the National Socialist leaders themselves.
 
Hitler confessed in retrospect: Only one thing could have broken our movement – if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement.”
 
And goebbels: “If the enemy had known how weak we were, it would probably have reduced us to jelly…. It would have crushed in blood the very beginning of our work.”"
 
 
@Slumber Party what history now?

@HunterSThompson you're right about the speech :lel: . but he said getting rid of the nazi party when it FIRST started was the most important key.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:24 AM

what "history" are you even talking about?

https://www.google.c...uprzDA6lfbGVt0A

https://www.google.c...LIbxkSDOKZ7KjAA

 

How are you STILL not getting it? I feel so sorry for your poor brain, really.

Every war has something that sparked it, this is what sparks the next big war.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:27 AM

https://www.google.c...uprzDA6lfbGVt0A

https://www.google.c...LIbxkSDOKZ7KjAA

 

How are you STILL not getting it? I feel so sorry for your poor brain, really.

Every war has something that sparked it, this is what sparks the next big war.

Actually, as I already said, WW2 would have been stopped if people had stopped the Nazis when they first started targeting jews alongside the U.S. ignoring what was happenin. ww2 is a great example of why this attack had taken place. and a Wikipedia article? nice. 



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:28 AM

if we believe in an empathetic interpretation of these actions then why have we not liberated North Korea? why have we ignored the suffering of citizens under oppressive regimes in africa? i don't really believe this is about assad, or syrian citizens, it's about proving a point, or worse, making someone richer. but im just a peace-talks and refugee-intervention kinda gal so what do I know really

i have no idea to be honest, considering both N. and S. Korea are part of the United Nations, and S. Korea has posed a threat. maybe something's been in the works that we don't know of, yet. (or there's too much of a risk in sending troops into N. Korea. they pose a much larger threat in that sense than Syria) i don't think it's fair to accuse the U.S. of turning a blind eye to it, even though the issue has become stagnate. since the Obama administration tried to denuclearize N. Korea as much as possible (nuclear warfare being the only threat to the rest of the UN)

 

politics are very contradicting, and as unreasonable as that sounds, we have to accept that challenge and try to work things in a balance of logic and empathy


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:31 AM

thanks for a calm conversation @LOVE, i think ive said all i want to but i think we can all agree we hope this leads to nothing but a peace agreement.
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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:32 AM

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:33 AM

Sis, he said this in a speech and it was recorded and translated. Plus you're forgetting most of that quote... in the same speech he also said resistance and opposition helped strengthen the Nazi cause.

 

postmodernists explained this phenomenon well, that power cannot exist without resistance, and all people are products of power

 

it's easy to jump on people who disagree, i do it all the time, but we are thinking too binarily about this, like it's a black or white situation and you're either right or wrong. many parts of the U.S.'s action are equally treacherous and justifiable.

 

but discussion and debate is good, really good for the boards, actually.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:34 AM

well i hope other countries try to interfere with the US if trump takes things too far


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:37 AM

well i hope other countries try to interfere with the US if trump takes things too far

absolutely, yet that would quite literally begin WWIII.

 

i don't think because wars have occurred before necessarily means that a war occurring now would be repeating the past, but i do agree that a war right now with the U.S.'s internal political climate is highly unfavorable


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:40 AM

I'm proud of all of these LB members for being so engaged & educated, and most importantly: for caring! <3 yay for healthy debate! <3


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:43 AM

I'm proud of all of these LB members for being so engaged & educated, and most importantly: for caring! <3 yay for healthy debate! <3

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:45 AM

i can't tell if this is shade or not .. :toofunny:

NO SHADE<3 really! I love this debate. I'm glad people care!


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 04:04 AM

just saying the president bombing other places aint new gurl..obama has done lots of bombing


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:15 AM

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 12:45 PM

that's unfortunate, as Hilary and obama also supported the bombing of assads resources.

if we believe in an empathetic interpretation of these actions then why have we not liberated North Korea? why have we ignored the suffering of citizens under oppressive regimes in africa? i don't really believe this is about assad, or syrian citizens, it's about proving a point, or worse, making someone richer. but im just a peace-talks and refugee-intervention kinda gal so what do I know really

 

 

Sadly, it's not about helping oppressed people but more about being able to access resources (especially oil). You can't bomb people to freedom.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:45 PM

i'm taking Western Civ and we literally just finished our WWII and Cold War units....sexwithme is completely right. without interference, this current world would be a lot different, and a lot less free.

                        a good example would be the policy of Containment against the spread of communism, indoctrined by President Truman

i feel like swm's point is being interpretted as "excusing" trump

 

I disagree with the Cold War aspect of this entirely. The policy of containment was horrible and resulted in America backing pseudo-fascists and military strongmen.

 

Examples:

 

Syngman Rhee and Park Chung-hee in South Korea, who were both strongmen who murdered dissidents and political opponents

Chiang Kai-shek whose reign in Taiwan resulted in the destruction of civil rights and the murder and imprisoning of anyone opposed to the KMT

Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile, murdered thousands of people

 

 

Containment was a bad policy that only resulted in anti-democratic leaders being propped up abroad.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:00 PM

just saying the president bombing other places aint new gurl..obama has done lots of bombing

Very, very true but not in this case. US Syria policy is has been steady until now, which is the issue. Two weeks ago & on the campaign trail POTUS said he wouldn't intervene in Syria with bombing, etc. just as Obama hadn't (though he was close to doing so in the "red line" predicament)... flash forward to Assad using chemical weapons on his citizens and POTUS hastily reacts by dropping bombs on an airfield (that actually did NOTHING to stop Assad from using that same airfield to attack Homs days later). So the issue is that he broke long standing Syrian foreign policy all for nothing. He's reactive and unpredictable and it's scary. 

 

However, you did bring up a great point that under Obama we've been bombing countries like Yemen for ages and people getting all emotional about us bombing other countries need to realize that we do this under ANY president and we still are under Trump and still would be under Bernie Sanders (RIP to the one who got away) or Hillary Clinton (RIP to the good sis who should've been our president).

Still love and miss u Obama even though you've relentlessly bombed countries like Yemen<3  :smokes3:  :icant:



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:32 PM

Very, very true but not in this case. US Syria policy is has been steady until now, which is the issue. Two weeks ago & on the campaign trail POTUS said he wouldn't intervene in Syria with bombing, etc. just as Obama hadn't (though he was close to doing so in the "red line" predicament)... flash forward to Assad using chemical weapons on his citizens and POTUS hastily reacts by dropping bombs on an airfield (that actually did NOTHING to stop Assad from using that same airfield to attack Homs days later). So the issue is that he broke long standing Syrian foreign policy all for nothing. He's reactive and unpredictable and it's scary. 

 

However, you did bring up a great point that under Obama we've been bombing countries like Yemen for ages and people getting all emotional about us bombing other countries need to realize that we do this under ANY president and we still are under Trump and still would be under Bernie Sanders (RIP to the one who got away) or Hillary Clinton (RIP to the good sis who should've been our president).

Still love and miss u Obama even though you've relentlessly bombed countries like Yemen<3  :smokes3:  :icant:

 

Hey, if Rand Paul or Gary Johnson won in 2016, or Ron Paul won in 2012...

 

we could very well be out of the middle east altogether.


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