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I think the discussion is over thankfully but Lana tells her fans to f*ck off..so maybe not the best example.

We have half of lust for life, NFR and Cocc lmao

Well it is a Lana forum so there is always going to be a bias... but really Lanas at a peak? Jesus Christ this is why she phoned all her live performances in, because she knows y’all will buy anything-Its difficult to support her as an artist as of late when she has reached parody status-Marina will deliver quality and the rest can seethe.

And lanas singing about someone painting a banister blue and screaming for black people

Please-Lana will talk about paying the gas man to look at her boiler soon and y’all will be eating that up-she could sing “sh*tting on the toilet, Broken Boiler , Nikki Lane used all the paper” And there would be people claiming it as lyrical peak. ancient dreams and purge are miles above anything lana has given us since the better songs off LFL I’d say it’s more dellulu to enable Lanas ego

Purge the poison and ancient dreams are great pieces of work..honestly surprised that marina is decimating Lana for me this era , love how she has remained creative with her visuals and the strong melodic component on ancient dreams wooo

I feel there is an element of sexism via labelling Lana “pop” her music is not that different from Chris Isaac or many other singers. Her sound is too soluble to be pop and lacks the standard progression of pop songs. I even heard a band try and say that UV was poppy the other day , well I guess pink floyd is aswell.

I’ve never liked it or it’s synths tbh

It’s weird how she went from one of the most visually creative artists inspiring tumblr to where she’s being laughed at now.

I mean BTD had a lot of ballads just trip hop flavoured , just because she’s in her 30s doesn’t mean she can’t deliver an uptempo ,not that I’m dissing the new releases as I cannot hear them yet properly.

I didn’t use the word racist as a descriptor anywhere nor implied, reading comprehension can be difficult though xoxo

I’m not asking anyone to do anything , I’m merely pointing out this fandom sometimes enables this behaviour with “yes legend” “points made” which feeds into this weird angel narrative, she does make mistakes and she should rectify them appropriately.

For reference there is a much bigger picture than just the “BLM” line it goes down to her lack of accountability. It begun with her tirade against Kanye West a man who was a scapegoat for her with clear mental health issues, what she said wasn’t incorrect but was just plain odd considering some of her more non left opinions in the past regarding feminism, other women etc-she tends to think of herself as exempt from any critique but will give people this herself. she then released the whole culture post which had some points and I’m glad she challenged the thoughts and beliefs, but you can’t completely diminish her of the outrage that followed-for one she should not be contrasting herself to other women(predominantly of colour) with positive connotations such as embodied,beautiful to cheating and fucking aswell as using words like strong which unintentionally lean into the strong black woman stereotype which I know she didn’t intend but even still... Lana then continues to say she’s dated rappers so can’t be racist??? Are all rappers black? Then says she will challenge thoughts of racism and cultural appropriation on her new record. well I’m guessing Text Book is it, but it isn’t remotely helpful in addressing anything-again she is confusing the narrative, the explanations given don’t fit with her choice of words on the song and continue to admonish her from her usage of stereotypes or criticism.

“He could see us in our splendor all the things I couldn’t want for him” is an oxymoron unless she meant she didn’t want discrimination for him or for him to have the same love as her -it does not make sense

Well it is an opinion dearie

Why put it in the same chorus then? it’s disjointed and badly worded, BLM shouldn’t be in the song as a throwaway lyric it just sounds disconnected like she threw two sets of lyrics together.

Hm mixed thoughts, I just briefly listened to Tulsa whilst half deaf and I could hear it properly, I’m hoping the mixing vocally is done well as the voice is fuller. the BLM reference in Text book was just bad..all the things I couldnt want for him makes it seem like her father is black and that’s why she’s protesting? Like it’s a choice structure of sentence, I screamed for them is also very white saviour.

I’m not saying they’re amazing but this revisionist history needs to stop-Jack cannot mix period or come up with production not already used.

This madness needs to stop, Jack was awful with arrangements-the mixing was not good it kinda worked well on Tulsa because it’s quite Lofi but I don’t think the tinny ness was intended and also you want the whisper vocals?

I think the fan base is very mixed on the material much like Cocc and to a lesser extent Norman- I do see some of the concerns but atleast she’s actually singing and text book has thicker instrumentation

A mixed bag, I must repeat that I can barely hear so you understand but I can hear a fuller voice and better lyricism but the tempo and piano is still there.

I don’t really need Mike Dean if she isn’t going to release hip hop or psychedelic tbh, she can stick with the other TB and BB producer

I don’t think it’s fair for us to judge Pat tbf, we do not know the circumstances or how her upbringing affected what she thought was right for Lana- just enjoy the songs I guess.

There are no UV vibes at all, Text Book kinda sounds like angels forever, that’s it

If there’s issues with the mixing I deffo think it would be lanas fault, she does rush her work because she gets bored fast-look at her single covers-she likes to release