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I think the comparisons are silly at this point, though surface level I like that marinas viewpoint is more substantial and meaty, she’s dealing with campy wordplay which she’s always done really well and as @BluebirdXO said I’m loving the retro pop rock vibe, we won’t all like the same stuff or subjects.

Katy Perry is not a better technical singer, she’s throaty and off key and aren’t we at a point now where pop is a genre? All genres involve evolution which is why sub genres exist(this isn’t exclusive to pop) -baby one more time , like a virgin , thriller , boom clap are all pure pop songs

It’s all love

How did this go on so long...dd I think we all have opinions I was just rejoicing in the fact that I’m really enjoying marinas music atm which is atypical for me as I usually have the same love for lanas.

There are elements of pop here and there sure but she’s done so many mixed genres like soul, jazz,psych,Americana etc that I just feel the term is redundant and odd for her. I also see pop as a clear genre-what else would I call “thriller” or “baby one more time”

It’s a meme photo and yes Avril was my coming of age artist, no shade to Britney just cannot understand how people who like dumb fun pop music listen to Cocc and NFR and become Roger Ebert

You Stan Britney who has three good albums that she was allowed creative control over, I take it you’re the best indicator?

I think the discussion is over thankfully but Lana tells her fans to f*ck off..so maybe not the best example.

We have half of lust for life, NFR and Cocc lmao

Well it is a Lana forum so there is always going to be a bias... but really Lanas at a peak? Jesus Christ this is why she phoned all her live performances in, because she knows y’all will buy anything-Its difficult to support her as an artist as of late when she has reached parody status-Marina will deliver quality and the rest can seethe.

And lanas singing about someone painting a banister blue and screaming for black people

Please-Lana will talk about paying the gas man to look at her boiler soon and y’all will be eating that up-she could sing “sh*tting on the toilet, Broken Boiler , Nikki Lane used all the paper” And there would be people claiming it as lyrical peak. ancient dreams and purge are miles above anything lana has given us since the better songs off LFL I’d say it’s more dellulu to enable Lanas ego

Purge the poison and ancient dreams are great pieces of work..honestly surprised that marina is decimating Lana for me this era , love how she has remained creative with her visuals and the strong melodic component on ancient dreams wooo

I feel there is an element of sexism via labelling Lana “pop” her music is not that different from Chris Isaac or many other singers. Her sound is too soluble to be pop and lacks the standard progression of pop songs. I even heard a band try and say that UV was poppy the other day , well I guess pink floyd is aswell.

I’ve never liked it or it’s synths tbh

It’s weird how she went from one of the most visually creative artists inspiring tumblr to where she’s being laughed at now.

I mean BTD had a lot of ballads just trip hop flavoured , just because she’s in her 30s doesn’t mean she can’t deliver an uptempo ,not that I’m dissing the new releases as I cannot hear them yet properly.

I didn’t use the word racist as a descriptor anywhere nor implied, reading comprehension can be difficult though xoxo

I’m not asking anyone to do anything , I’m merely pointing out this fandom sometimes enables this behaviour with “yes legend” “points made” which feeds into this weird angel narrative, she does make mistakes and she should rectify them appropriately.

For reference there is a much bigger picture than just the “BLM” line it goes down to her lack of accountability. It begun with her tirade against Kanye West a man who was a scapegoat for her with clear mental health issues, what she said wasn’t incorrect but was just plain odd considering some of her more non left opinions in the past regarding feminism, other women etc-she tends to think of herself as exempt from any critique but will give people this herself. she then released the whole culture post which had some points and I’m glad she challenged the thoughts and beliefs, but you can’t completely diminish her of the outrage that followed-for one she should not be contrasting herself to other women(predominantly of colour) with positive connotations such as embodied,beautiful to cheating and fucking aswell as using words like strong which unintentionally lean into the strong black woman stereotype which I know she didn’t intend but even still... Lana then continues to say she’s dated rappers so can’t be racist??? Are all rappers black? Then says she will challenge thoughts of racism and cultural appropriation on her new record. well I’m guessing Text Book is it, but it isn’t remotely helpful in addressing anything-again she is confusing the narrative, the explanations given don’t fit with her choice of words on the song and continue to admonish her from her usage of stereotypes or criticism.

“He could see us in our splendor all the things I couldn’t want for him” is an oxymoron unless she meant she didn’t want discrimination for him or for him to have the same love as her -it does not make sense

Well it is an opinion dearie

Why put it in the same chorus then? it’s disjointed and badly worded, BLM shouldn’t be in the song as a throwaway lyric it just sounds disconnected like she threw two sets of lyrics together.

Hm mixed thoughts, I just briefly listened to Tulsa whilst half deaf and I could hear it properly, I’m hoping the mixing vocally is done well as the voice is fuller. the BLM reference in Text book was just bad..all the things I couldnt want for him makes it seem like her father is black and that’s why she’s protesting? Like it’s a choice structure of sentence, I screamed for them is also very white saviour.

I’m not saying they’re amazing but this revisionist history needs to stop-Jack cannot mix period or come up with production not already used.