Make me your Dream Life

*hugeeeee sigh of relief*

it's included in the Fame Monster Deluxe hahahahaha

it was incredible sh*t timing. and I think she was trying to promote her work w confidence til everything just unraveled. I do think it plays a very large part of how things went/ are going down.

With that, I'm glad you do. but there's a pattern of you, I perceive, that you do comment, and in addition to how others already view you, elicit a reaction for them immediately correct what you've got to say. and then it starts again over and over. you might not be a bad person, but perception does a lot for everyone, and right now, objectively that's what the pattern shows. I'm saying all of this calmly. I think it'd be wiser if you read the comments and tailored your comments in a fashion that takes more into consideration. that way, you get to say what you'd like in a way that doesnt rub others the wrong way like they've much reason to assume regarding the record you've trailed. and can we please go easy on the guy a bit w the shut the fuck ups, fuck u's etc. as if that was even as effective. he's someone that's trying to understand if even so marginalized in his thinking, but can we look at it as an opportunity for him to grow and better our guys' arguments instead? edit: @@Lucas B. I'm gonna get some rest. I hope someone else can take what I said to heart, as ell as for yourself too. Don't forget ur stan/star got herself into trouble for the same things online. if she's getting hellfire for malperceived intent, do u really think someone they might see less is going to get less than that. factors. pls think about it, ok?

hey man, I'm giving u the benefit of the doubt, and there's gotta be some kind of good in you to defend/question the situation and try to immerse urself in the conversation. I hope ur brother's ok. but. I also think that it'd be a lot wiser for ya to be a bit more self-aware at how your comments might and do come across. it's diverting the thread to get upset at you. Relaying it more with your comments, although valid w the news etc. and happening, just might come across as you not finishing what you start, and just get people irate w you. and I get their side, but u seem like u need more info if only to protect u from ridicule too. if you wanna talk about the issues, i'll volunteer for your questions. dm me. haven't slept, but I'll try to answer ur questions from a fair pov. ok?

Been trying to defend or bring about the conversation that more need to try and look out for each other regardless of sides. and while I do genuinely believe that it's really none of our business, and that the situation is sad. a simple, "I'm still processing, you have my support, be safe while acting" if even from her managers a direct quote, would do so well to quell and dissipate a lot, at least in the forum, and the people who in a way still do look up to her and her platform. she's not responsible for the entirety of it, she's still just a part of the complex happenings and the systems that play a part in our lives. And I'm not one for sacrificing the peace/safety of others to impose anything on their lives, bc we should do more for ourselves, ourselves (please be safe), but been trying to operate more from a place of understanding and love, but that simple statement would do so much. then some kind of blackout that's already been. she doesn't belong to us. and there are bigger things. but what happened to innocent until proven guilty. like granted we're trying to move on from this particular situation, bc bigger things, but just some damage control. and the truth in the situation is that it is sad. but regarding this, it's all we can really do. can we tone down the swaying from whether or not its right to defend her, bc there's validity to both sides. and be more mindful of how some of our comments are/ can be construed towards each other? for all sides. it's disheartening. Before this post gets ignored or whatever, and we start echoing our comments towards others' faulted delivery, can we just deal w those w something single, and try to move on?

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I really dont think you're helping. This is a lot more complex than what you're writing. Please think harder..

What is this. And reality is. She really doesnt. The systems in place are faulty. There are different types of oppression and how they come about. And why would you figuratively sacrifice a person, send them somewhere as if it were ur decision to make? And it isn't. Does having that movement warrant that really? Sacrificing lives? Doesnt that just make us the same monsters opressing others?, For anyone. What's the point of power if its going to put someone thru that, and with such disdain. (if anyone's gonna say, well that's just figurative, well then does that mean that your intent's not whole? is she just a receptacle, lightning rod to your pain?). Has anyone considered their personal approaches on the matter instead of backpedalling or sticking on "your side" of the spectrum? Pain's universal. I get the racism and how it's like to be treated less for how someone can be. It's that pain that WE all feel. It comes in different ways. Regardless if it's just an average person trying to live, or someone living it up. That's just careless to say. We're supposed to be adjusting ourselves, and doing better for ourselves as people, together. Not mimicking their behaviors. I've made posts trying to bring people together on the subject, from a bigger picture perspective, but it seems like everyone's just not wanting to be as openminded on talking things through together.

Actually and I agree w u on some points, but when it comes to mental health. I really do think its a factor to really think about and consider. We personally don't know how she is bc its not our sphere. But mental health imo is definitely a valid reason to lay low. How can she help others if she cant help herself first? Its a rabbit hole, and moments of mental health fluctuation, its drop can last longer for how they are. It's just terrible. Please take that into consideration if anything.

alright. not to b condescending or anything, but u were already warned by a mod, and well the homophobe comment although maybe well-meaning, could be misconstrued. just a head's up. be well too. if it's all the same to you, I'm just gonna let the current convo flow

mm yeah but there's already a thread about it in the Lana Thoughts(?) section. I just wanted to be able to have a post or something to keep everyone up to speed easier. As long as people are here and the discussion's steered here, might as well make it easier for others to get caught up and join if they wanted to.

I think we all got that. From person to person, I think it'd be more effective and worthwhile if maybe u eased on generalities of who you call idiots and stupid people. Tryna mediate, but it just wouldn't sit w others well. and I get that you're allowed to say what you've said, but other posts sort of don't really help bridge anyone together. my opinion.. great, thanks!

I know it'd be helpful to have a BLM thread on the forum here if anything. There are another 22 members on here. Can someone more qualified make it?

I'm trying to organize a post so people can just read the main points, and try to update it when I can (others feel free to add). do u think I could add this to that? edit: thread updates *feel free to add.

it seems like time just manages to thin all that off yeah. Barry, but don't u think it'd still be at least some kind of good for her to? Like granted, it's not up to us, and of course we'd like more music bc she's talented at it. but. Do u think it'd count for anything, at least a little?

I genuinely wanna know what it's about. It's tricky having to check every single comment with repeat comments etc. Do you think you can tell me and others that might need to hear it?

A bridge, something I've been trying to get on here. Both sides. I'd love for her to post. it should shine through. and if she does? Would that sate you regarding her?

Clearly there is. and also, not everyone's up to speed with you. and what's wrong w having fact receipts to let others get up to speed?

Can we get like an updated consensus from the thread or something on what people's views are, compile a statement about it so we can discuss things better? @MODS would it be in your power to collect data/ answers for a survey etc. or something? maybe we can get the main points of both sides thru a vote, and then talk about those topics? To get things straight. She's not perceived as racist, at least from this forum, but her post should've been worded better. She saw those women in a positive light. FKA pole, art. SZA. everyone's capable of being vulnerable. it's about the freedom of expressing what she mentioned in varying degrees. we're currently talking about whether or not she should post. if she does nothing, it'll make her look bad. if she does, it'll still probably be perceived by others as looking bad but the act should shine through. one of her managers posted on instagram about injustice, MLK Jr. quote. (is that why people are discussing etc. about it here more now?) is it anyone here's decision but hers to do so or not? edit: currently looking for my other post on here, listing the happenings so we don't have to echo back n forth as much. if we can get dry facts, feel free to share them please, ty. edit: found. adding. currently: pg 573, 574. from @ Kerem. People are saying that she shouldn't post cause she'd receive backlash cause of last week's events. What me and others are saying is posting is the right thing to do and she should do it no matter what. This isn't about her, her backlash, it's about contributing to the good, spreading good intentions.

DONT PLAY W ME - IT JUST. HURTS. MEEEEEE I'M BOUNCIN OFF THE WALLS

This is like, a genuine question. and to a degree, I already know what some answers are like but. what does Lana posting mean to you? Like others have already said, when it comes to looking at the bigger picture, no one's really gonna pay much mind to whether or not she says something, and w the whole week from before n what happened. and I get the platform talk, especially w isolation, and i'm not defending her for not, bc actually I'd like for her to mention something if anything, but is that her role? But what does it mean to you? really? Is it supposed to validate or renew your faith in her? your loyalty to her? is it about power, being able to be upset about her, so it gives you some kind of connection closer to her or something? bc not to be callous, but reality is, I mean fill in the blank. and if she doesn't, will it be some kind of end, burning the "stan" card? what does that even mean. can you handle it and look at yourself before you do? you're allowed to listen to her music and everything about being a fan doesn't have to parallel that. it's not forgoing ur principles, it's being wise enough to know that two things can be true. it's messy. we're human. we're all working on it. is her not posting attacking your ego? is it shame that you're feeling for her, for yourself? who? does it make you feel a bit better to hurl responsibility towards someone else? can u direct whatever you're feeling into something more productive? this is gonna sound so shitty, but I hope the message resonates in that when I say, you're upset about her, bc she doesn't seem to fill some kind of need that you'd like for her to perform, and project these things. the same woman people were surmising on whether or not she was mentally fit (there's concern, and then there's scrutiny), the same woman people critique as if those decisions were to enchant her into fulfilling those roles (I'm not different when I spew out ideas on the forum yeah, I get that, they're innocent for the most part for me) yet talking about her freedom, and who she dates for approval as if it mattered, speaking on the things she should do, shouldn't etc. is that fair? you can't have it both ways like that. at least not at the same time. fickle. truth is, we upset ourselves. at least to a degree. we can't touch her. and for a lot of reasons, that's a good thing. we're rooting for her, and I get the upset, it's can be dissonant having an artist that means a lot to you personally not fit in to what your expectations/values are. but reality is, is that hers for her shoulders to take alone? or did u impose these on her and then get upset bc she didn't. be upset I get it. but try to move past it and do better for yourselves. ourselves. we've all had or are having our share of hardships, let's not discount that one bit. she's fought hard for her life and probably went through what might break and have broken many. we're here. she's there. that's it. if u really want her support, find a meaningful way to get her attention. I'm aware that I'm writing in length, but the sway of comments just come off in regurgitation. damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. I'm writing, asking this. because yeah this is a forum based on her career. but it just. it seems like some (don't quote me on this) are getting genuinely, deeply upset, and ok I can get that who am I to impose on your reality, but getting dependent on what this woman says or doesn't. not to make anyone feel bad, but. something seems disproportionate. all we can do is make sure we're doing what WE can for those we care about, working together as and with our communities. maybe she'll follow suit, maybe she won't. but please step back a bit, take a breath and try to not be so dependent on her like that. she's not a medium. she's another human being. we all know what that's like, and sure, she's privileged, definitely, but she's also in a delicate sort of path of life, where literally she's got a lot to be responsible for on a personal basis. and the microscopes/magnifying glass' lasering at her in some room in her conscious. she's go to face so detachedly but still probably takes a toll. belonging to everyone and no one. can u imagine how alone that makes someone feel? i'm sure we all perform in our lives to a degree to maintain harmony. and if you know what that's like, could u empathize that magnification for her? like it's so easy. so. why does it mean so much to you personally? and if she let you down, so what? I hope u find whatever u need in yourself to press on. bc the world's not gonna stop spinning tomorrow (unless there was like a meteor i don't wanna trail off), telecommunications granted, likes, media follow thru. do u do it to defend? great- to shout into the void? also great, let it out, but try to be smart about it. but I'm thinking there are more important things that we could all be doing. even Lana-veined. I ask bc I genuinely wanna know. and this is gonna sound so cheesy but I really think it matters so I'm just gonna say it but, what I hope you take from this is, whatever impact you decide to make. I hope it's a positive kind, from a place of love and mindfulness than anything else. and that ur acts of kindness ripple into the collective, and that you genuinely touch others' souls and that it awakens something in them to want to perpetuate that synergy, appreciation, and love. if u can be the bigger person, please do it. I get that it's hard, really. but try to be better than those who failed before. we need it. there's a saying that goes like. yesterday I was clever so I wanted to change the world. Today I'm wise, so I'm changing myself. (edit: I thought it was gonna be like a philosopher like Socrates or something but it was Rumi loooooool but still). Have you looked into yourself today? are there things that you should be fixing for yourself first, so that maybe society has a better chance to follow suit? I get the write off's and I decided to write this long because maybe some people might've gotten something positive out of it, truly. It might be hard, don't bullshit yourself, but it pays off so much. and I hope it aligns this kind of resilience to you that renews you and what's it's like to be human. What's at least one thing, that u can practically do to move that positively forward? I've obligations to continue. and answers don't need to be upfront. just think about it.

this was so fucking odd but still comforting and I think we really needed that ahahahahahahaha

I get that people'd like for her to say something. Just fuck it and be there. who cares how people perceive it the act should shine, and if they don't get it, then leave them be to think things over. Maybe she's sore, maybe she's lounging who really knows. it'll seem apologetic. but a simple, "I'm aware of how this situation played out. I'm already doing reparation work etc. perceive this how you want, but I'm doing livestream/awareness spread etc. bc my heart aches for the people. be safe. insert links to petition etc." this might not be perceived as holistically selfless. she might not even be in the brightest of light, but that'd still be something towards a more unifying direction. still. maybe she's helping her friends right now. maybe she is doing work. maybe she is writing on events and reflecting. maybe her work's still fermenting and she wants to refine her statement and perceives it to be her best addition to help. there's a lot we don't know. maybe she just can't handle it right now. situation is she got checked last time she opened up. that plays into her being vocal. benefit of the doubt for the sake of principle. don't judge the woman for her past. that's just fucked up. no one should be subjugated casually if any reason, for the decisions they've made that they're still trying to live thru. care for the person that they are now, and hope that those positive ideals stay with them. and for verbal disclaimer, not trying to virtue signal or anything, but if anyone's gonna quote. I'm working on trying to make a change thru my studies and other actions. reach out to someone today. I believe in you. be smart and be perceptive. take care always.