Vertimus

No tosies. ‘Toes, and….’

Her albums usually leak the week of release, so we have a week or so to go. I know, everyone's crazy for it.

It's not Americans per se, it's 'Fake Woke People,' as someone here once named them, and yes, most are White [American] liberals. They're Marxists, whether they realize it or not, who are always looking for the next 'victim group' to exploit and profit from. The very idea of 'cultural appropriation' is stupid in a global world where everyone shares and participates assertively. If they were correct, then only Italians wold be able to eat pizza, only Asians, dumplings or pork-friend rice, and only American Southerners could eat deep-fried Snicker bars. And so on. Imagine a world were every time someone stepped outdoors in trousers, someone else attacked them, claiming that someone of another culture created or invented them.

I would like the album art so much better if it were done in high contrast, with solid and clean blacks and whites, without all the grey tones.

Once it goes out, it's out. It will travel the world in seconds. It's the old genii in the bottle thing.

Could it be news about the 'new' film version of 'Alice in Wonderland' she mentioned writing music for years ago? Or the Broadway musical?

In my experience, it's usually a week before, or in the week of the release.

That's all very well expressed. It's a wonderful record, but I guess what the public might take from the word 'revenge' and what she perceives it as can be wildly different.

Is that true? Then there was no version that was monkied around with by Lana and her team for 'Honeymoon' and which almost made the cut?

Hey, I love BB too, except for the title track and 'The Trio,' which seemed out of place. It's one of my favorites of all her albums. I took the BLM line seriously, and understand it in what I think the intended context was.

I like it well enough, especially the early version with the accordion (I think), but we've heard so many versions--I think I have 11--and they really don't get better--that at this point, some version Lana likes best would make a good 'bonus' track on a career retrospective. And when that retrospective comes, I expect at least half a dozen amazing songs about which we've known nothing. An even dozen or baker's dozen would be even better.

Things are unclear as ever. If 'The Grants' is going to be released as a the next single, they'd better hurry, unless they intend to release it as a single on the 24th, simultaneous with the album (which really makes no sense in the 21st century). The RS interview was also mystifying--in what sense was BB a revenge album? We've heard a lot about that and yet it all seems to come to very little. Just due to the end of 'Arcadia' and 'BBS', and 'WFWF' in its commentary about her mother? I like all three songs, but the first two are tepid as 'revenge.'

Dig this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/miley-cyrus-flowers-song-lana-del-rey-music/673092/

If the vinyls are out, the leak has to be just around the corner. Obviously.

Part of it is because we know we're getting an entirely new kind of album from Lana, based on the leaked tracks and 'A&W.' The song structures are unlikely to be simple and traditional like 'Arcadia.'

I'm a big fan of 'Thunder,' the original, 50s-style version, not the released piano version, which is, for me, a pale shadow of the other. My understanding is that there was not a full album of songs, but only something like an EP, 4 or 5 songs. But I'd like to hear them all too.

It's just because we're waiting and waiting and waiting. That makes people super irritable.

I see it as a novelty song, and not more. It's very different, and they probably had a blast writing and recording it. I love BB for the most part, but when I think of it, I never think of 'Dealer.'

It was unbearable, and inexcusable too.

Try to bear it as best you can. You might be surprised to hear this, but after the LFL release, during the run up to NFR! and then just after its release, things were 100% worse here, absolutely anything was tolerated. Were you here then? Hopefully, this pre-release and the post-release will continue to be a fruitful period in which we can exchange ideas and opinions in an enjoyable way.

Indeed. Some members here react with negative emotion, not thought, to every opinion that is not 100% cult-like and monolithic, and then accuse other people of being 'haters.' That's called 'projection' in classic psychology. We're all different people, with different backgrounds, likes, dislikes, experiences, thoughts, ideas, etc. So that is what anyone coming here should expect to find, as on any fan board or in the public square.

Thanks. Maybe she'll have a career phase were she talk-sings instead of sings, like later era Leonard Cohen or Marianne Faithfull. There was already some of this on 'White Dress.' It's easier to do on slower songs and ballads.

Block me, it's that easy.

Yeah, I haven't been able to get through to 'Peppers.' 'Live Or Die' is one of my all-time favorite of Lana's songs, she steps into the shoes of a psychopath so believably, and the cheerleader -like 'Yeahs!' in the background are a touch of brilliance.