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come on, in the born to die era she was in full make up and hair, and every little thing was perfect, and her video's where glam and all. And she got such hate for it.
Yes not from us, we loved it all. But in general she was bashed as manufactured.
So new era, everything low key. I don't know why that's such a bad thing? It's more like her old home style video's. I like the idea.
 
Must say, the snippet isn't that special for me, but it's only 15 seconds so. I'll just wait for the whole clip.

come on, in the born to die era she was in full make up and hair, and every little thing was perfect, and her video's where glam and all. And she got such hate for it.
Yes not from us, we loved it all. But in general she was bashed as manufactured.
So new era, everything low key. I don't know why that's such a bad thing? It's more like her old home style video's. I like the idea.
 
Must say, the snippet isn't that special for me, but it's only 15 seconds so. I'll just wait for the whole clip.

come on, in the born to die era she was in full make up and hair, and every little thing was perfect, and her video's where glam and all. And she got such hate for it.
Yes not from us, we loved it all. But in general she was bashed as manufactured.
So new era, everything low key. I don't know why that's such a bad thing? It's more like her old home style video's. I like the idea.
 
Must say, the snippet isn't that special for me, but it's only 15 seconds so. I'll just wait for the whole clip.

come on, in the born to die era she was in full make up and hair, and every little thing was perfect, and her video's where glam and all. And she got such hate for it.
Yes not from us, we loved it all. But in general she was bashed as manufactured.
So new era, everything low key. I don't know why that's such a bad thing? It's more like her old home style video's. I like the idea.
 
Must say, the snippet isn't that special for me, but it's only 15 seconds so. I'll just wait for the whole clip.

I said it somewehere else, don't know exactly where but I'll say it again. I don't think Ultraviolence was about lyrics at all. She already sees herself as a writer, with born to die/paradise she has shown she writes her own stuff and she is good at it.
Ultraviolence is about the music. It needs to reflect a mood, the tempo changes and drowned vocals are important. It is a musical reflection of what's going on in her head. From calm to wilder, from serene to confused. Feeling sure about herself, feeling overwhelmed etc. I think all the repetitions in the choruses are on purpose. It's not about getting the lyrics or singing along, it's about laying back and feel the music.
And with simple lyrics thats much easier than be constantly on top of what she is singing.
 
I can't wait for an maybe addition to ultraviolence, I think it wil either go further down the pad of feeling instead of listening with even more guitars and stuff. Or she maybe will go back to "clearer" times. And lyrics will be important again for her.
 
But I honestly don't think there will be ep for ultraviolence. Because she said the album was for her done with the cover of the other woman. And all the bonus songs we have are not important to the story. So new music, but not an addition to UV.
 
(sorry for my English)

I said it somewehere else, don't know exactly where but I'll say it again. I don't think Ultraviolence was about lyrics at all. She already sees herself as a writer, with born to die/paradise she has shown she writes her own stuff and she is good at it.
Ultraviolence is about the music. It needs to reflect a mood, the tempo changes and drowned vocals are important. It is a musical reflection of what's going on in her head. From calm to wilder, from serene to confused. Feeling sure about herself, feeling overwhelmed etc. I think all the repetitions in the choruses are on purpose. It's not about getting the lyrics or singing along, it's about laying back and feel the music.
And with simple lyrics thats much easier than be constantly on top of what she is singing.
 
I can't wait for an maybe addition to ultraviolence, I think it wil either go further down the pad of feeling instead of listening with even more guitars and stuff. Or she maybe will go back to "clearer" times. And lyrics will be important again for her.
 
But I honestly don't think there will be ep for ultraviolence. Because she said the album was for her done with the cover of the other woman. And all the bonus songs we have are not important to the story. So new music, but not an addition to UV.
 
(sorry for my English)

The sun also rises on those who fail to call
My life, it comprises of losses and wins and fails and falls
I can do it if you really, really like that
I know what you really want, b-baby
I can do it if you think you like that
You should run, boy, run
 
Vs
 
You're no good for me,
baby, you’re no good for me.
You’re no good for me,
but baby, I want you, I want you.
 
Diet Mountain Dew, baby, New York City.
Can we hit it now, low-down and gritty?
Do you think we’ll be in love forever?
Do you think we’ll be in love?
 
Baby, put on heart-shaped sunglasses
'cause we’re gonna take a ride.
I’m not gonna listen to what the past says,
I been waiting up all night.
 
______________________________________
 
 
Blue hydrangea, cold cash, divine,
Cashmere, cologne and white sunshine.
Red racing cars, sunset in vine,
The kids were young and pretty.
 
Where have you been? Where did you go?
Those summer nights seem long ago,
And so is the girl you used to call,
The Queen of New York City.
 
Vs
 
Kiss me in the d-a-r-k dark tonight
(D-a-r-k, do it my way)
Kiss me in the p-a-r-k park tonight
(P-a-r-k, let them all say)
 
Hey Lolita, hey! Hey Lolita, hey!
I know what the boys want, I'm not gonna play
Hey Lolita, hey! Hey Lolita, hey!
 
______________________________________
 
I paint my nails black,
I dye my hair a darker shade of brown
Cause you like your women Spanish, dark, strong and proud
I paint the sky black
You said if you could have your way
You'd make a night time of today
So it'd suit the mood of your song
 
Oh, what can I do?
Nothing, my sparrow blue
Oh, what can I do?
Life is beautiful but you don't have a clue
Sun and ocean blue
Their magnificence, it don't make sense to you
 
Vs
 
All my friends tell me I should move on
I'm lying in the ocean, singing your song
Ahhh, that's how you sang it
Loving you forever, can't be wrong
Even though you're not here, won't move on
Ahhh, that's how we played it
 
Every time I close my eyes
It's like a dark paradise
 
_____________________________________
 
Don't say you need me when
you leave and you leave again
I'm stronger than all my men
except for you
 
Don't say you need me here
You leave us, you're leaving
And I can't do it, I can't do it
But you do it well
 
Vs
 
Drugs, suck it up like vanilla icys
Don’t treat me rough, treat me really niceys
Decorate my neck, diamantes ices
Why? Come on, come on
 
____________________________________
 
White lines, pretty baby, tattoos
Don't know what they mean
They're special, just for you
White palms, baking powder on the stove
Cooking up a dream, turning diamonds into snow
I feel you, pretty baby, feel me
Turn it up hot, loving you is free
I like it down, like it down way low
But you already know that
You already know
 
Vs
 
 
I think I'll miss you forever
Like the stars miss the sun in the morning skies
Late is better than never
Even if you're gone, I'm gonna drive, drive
 
I've got that summertime, summertime sadness
S-s-summertime, summertime sadness
Got that summertime, summertime sadness
Oh, oh
 
Kiss me hard before you go
Summertime sadness
I just wanted you to know
That baby you're the best
 
I've got that summertime, summertime sadness
S-s-summertime, summertime sadness
Got that summertime, summertime sadness
Oh, oh
 
 
____________________________________
 
Witch hazel, witch hazel
Betrayal, betrayal
One gun on the table
Headshot if you're able
 
 
Vs
 
Feels like, feels like, you know it feels like
Falling in love for the first time
Feels like, you know it feels like
Falling in love
 
 
__________________________________
 
My baby lives in shades of cold
Cold heart and hands and aptitude
He lives for love and women, too
I'm one of many bonnies blue
 
And when he calls, he calls for me
And not for you
He prays for love, he prays for peace
And maybe someone new
 
But I can't help him, can't make him better
And I can't do nothing about his strange weather
 
'Cause you are unfixable
I can't break through your world
'Cause you live in shades of cool
Your heart is unbreakable
 
Vs
 
Tell me I'm your national anthem
(Boo-yah, baby, bow down, makin' me say wow now)
Tell me I'm your National Anthem
(Sugar-sugar, how now, take your body downtown)
Red, white, blue's in the skies
Summer's in the air and, baby, heaven's in your eyes
I'm your national anthem
 
_______________________________
You're falling hard, I push away
I'm feeling hot to the touch
You say you miss me and I wanna say, "I miss you so much"
But something keeps me really quiet
I'm alive, I'm a lush, your love, your love, your love
 
I can see my baby swinging, his Parliament's on fire and his hands are up
On the balcony and I'm singing, ooh baby, ooh baby, I'm in love
I can see my sweet boy swinging, he's crazy and Cubano como yo, my love
On the balcony and I'm swaying, move baby, move baby, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love
 
Vs
 
I'm driving fast, flash, everyone knows it, I'm trying to get to you, baby
I'm feeling scared and you know it
I'm driving fast, flash, everyone knows it, I'm trying to get to you, baby
I'm feeling scared and you know it
I'm driving fast, flash, everyone knows it, I'm trying to get to you, baby
I'm feeling scared and you know it
I'm driving fast, flash, everyone knows it, I'm trying to get to you, baby
I'm feeling scared and you know it
 
Woo-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
 
I've got a Burning Desire for you, baby (I've got a burning desire) (Come on tell me, boy)
I've got a Burning Desire for you, baby (I've got a burning desire) (Come on tell me, boy)
I drive fast, wind in my hair
Push it to the limits 'cause I just don't care
I've got a Burning Desire for you, baby (I've got a burning desire)
 
________________________________
 
 
 

I see it differently.
I truly believe she is incredibly confident about her sexuality. And that it's not a big deal to her. So for her to say she slept with a lot of people is not a big thing, because she doesn't sees it as something abnormal.
She even says (don't know if it is this interview of another one) that in a relationship it isn't for her always about the love and feeling, but that as long as the physical aspect and the chemistry is there, she is down. That's important to her.
And I don't see the problem with that, or that it implies that she is actualy really akward.
 
It's not like she needs to make this virgin-esque statue of herself taylor swift like, to be a good girl. Because if you see sexuality as a normal aspect of who you are and don't have a problem with it there is no problem. you can be a good person and enjoy yourself. And that doesn't mean that she can't have meaningful realtionships.
Like with Barrie, she had a relationship with him for 3 years, she clearly was in love. And now it is over, she don't seem to have a problem to be with other men just for physical realtions.
And one day she will fall in love again and have a relationship.
 
I really don't know where I am going with this, but really, I can not see your point at all. But maybe that's my fault.

Racist much? 
You are some German Nazi I suppose. The most despicable people in the world. #GodwinsLaw
 

Speaking of German, I'm not above schadenfreude. I really hope your daughter (@@FormerLanaFan's, not yours @@PrettyBaby) fucks around a lot when she grows up and doesn't care if you know it.  

Oh god, where to even begin with this one...  

I'm quite baffled that when Lana says she's "slept with a lot of guys" you seem to automatically assume it was all causal sex and never serial monogamy. 
I'm not even gonna address the misogynist/objectifying undertones in the latter part of that post, but let me just explode some of the stereotypes in it. Speaking as an older fan, it's not just today's teenagers that grew up on internet porn. Anyone who spent any part of their teens in the internet age did. But when I was a teenager, despite my "urges", I also was a virgin by choice until marriage. And from personal experience I can say that that was the wrong choice for me. While not necessarily promoting sleeping around a ton, I think the broader view of sex endorsed by most posters here is far more healthy.
 

I think a lot of people find sexual experience a desirable quality in a partner. 

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:

tl;dr: @@FormerLanaFan to Lana: I'm a drag and you're a whore.
 
Ok, so your issue with her is that she doesn't live up to your (a man's) fantasy image of her and your expectations of her sexual behavior as a woman? Do you not see how problematic this is?
 
Would we have though? I've been in the Lana sleuthing game for almost 3 years now and have developed something of a reputation for it and I still find myself surprised at new information and how it reshapes my understanding of her. Also, there's a possibility the label head claim may not be as interesting as it sounds. Everybody and their brother has a label these days. Ben even had one.
 
I dunno. You seem to be the only one reacting strongly about this. (Not that I haven't been about the only person objecting to something on here before. ) Also, when she said "I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry" she may simply have meant that a lot of the guys she fucked were in the industry, not that she's fucked a lot of guys in absolute terms. Even if she was, comparing someone who has "slept with a lot of guys" with a porn star is not a fair comparison, but FWIW that Duke porn star seems pretty content with her decision. Also FWIW, there's a fair amount of transactional sex suggested in Lana's lyrics. How is this only bothering you now? And WTF do private sexual acts have to do with being a good person, being involved in your community, or your relationship with your father, mother, and siblings?
 
No, it's not the Beatles era, though your attitudes about women and sex seem imported straight from it. I can't help but laugh at the irony and lack of self-awareness in your reference to Othello, a man so obsessed with a woman's believed promiscuity that (spoiler alert) it drives him to murder, and ultimately suicide.
 
Um, what is this all about? Are we still talking about Lana?
 
So far you're the only one portraying her like the biggest whore in the music industry. Personally I think T-Swift might privately high-five Lana and tell her to write kiss and tell songs about everybdy she fucked. And then she'd probably fuck Lana and write a song about it.

You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can sit me here next to Britney Spears?
Shit, Christina Aguilera Lana Del Rey better switch me chairs
So I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst James Franco and Dan Auerbach
And hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first first sucked cock
 
Just maybe.
 
What does one have to do with the other? Besides, for all we know, Pat might high-five her or be jealous.

My momma, she would love you like I love you
If she ever met you, if she ever knew
My momma, she would fall right on top of you
If she ever saw you, she’d be smitten too

I’ll never take you home
I want you all for my own
Don’t let my momma hear your pretty song
 
Right, the couple bucks you spent on her artistry entitles you to dictate her sex life. Really, her comment is "undefendable"? I see plenty of people doing just that.
 

@@FormerLanaFan
I can still taste puke in my mouth after having read your previous comments. It's sickening that you try to excuse your basic slut shaming as moral guidance. We're living in the 21st century, women shouldn't be made to feel morally inept because they occasionally have consenting casual sex. They certainly shouldn't be labelled whores. You, as a father and husband, should be more mature than that. I also find it reprehensible that you have the audacity to blame our outrage at your comments on our own youthful sex-drive. You have a daughter for God's sakes, she shouldn't have to worry about you disowning her should she choose to live a healthy sex life.

I see it differently.
I truly believe she is incredibly confident about her sexuality. And that it's not a big deal to her. So for her to say she slept with a lot of people is not a big thing, because she doesn't sees it as something abnormal.
She even says (don't know if it is this interview of another one) that in a relationship it isn't for her always about the love and feeling, but that as long as the physical aspect and the chemistry is there, she is down. That's important to her.
And I don't see the problem with that, or that it implies that she is actualy really akward.
 
It's not like she needs to make this virgin-esque statue of herself taylor swift like, to be a good girl. Because if you see sexuality as a normal aspect of who you are and don't have a problem with it there is no problem. you can be a good person and enjoy yourself. And that doesn't mean that she can't have meaningful realtionships.
Like with Barrie, she had a relationship with him for 3 years, she clearly was in love. And now it is over, she don't seem to have a problem to be with other men just for physical realtions.
And one day she will fall in love again and have a relationship.
 
I really don't know where I am going with this, but really, I can not see your point at all. But maybe that's my fault.

I think that however insecure she is about herself and being on stage. She is incredibly confident in her sexuality.
It is the part that most people struggle with in their lives and with how other people might view it. But for her it is not a big deal. It is I think the only thing aside from feeling good about her music that she is 100 percent secure in.

I think you're exaggerating a little... It's not like she has a bad disease
 
And she didn't say she fucked people that worked at her label, she said she has been with guys from the music industry and that could mean anything, from producers to musicians, like Barrie.
 
I think you're taking this a little too far, and I know that wasn't the brightest statement to make but people won't stop working with her or liking her just because she said it...

Maybe she hasn't even slept around, but we don't know, the only person who knows the details of her sexual endeavours is her. If she wants to portray an image of someone who has had a lot of partners, so be it. I don't see it as irresponsible as it isn't for you and I, or any other member of the public to judge, although we (as in the public) seem to possess a sense of self righteousness and believe we do have the right to be judgemental. Like I said, it's her life, her choices. It doesn't mean she can't express familial values or beliefs at the same time. People of western culture tend to believe that human beings can't be contradictions, when in fact that's exactly what we are. I could go into a whole debate about the paradoxical nature of human nature but that's a different topic. But pray tell exactly what values she has expressed which stand in contrast to her having a lot of partners? 
I don't think all people who participate in casual sex have issues with loyalty and respect. Yeah there's a hundred reasons people do it (and I said earlier, I don't know Lana's), but I explicitly stated that I wasn't referring to people who lead others on and treat 'others like a piece of meat of their ephemeral desire.' No strings sex between two consenting adults can be just that, no strings fun, as long as both parties are informed, that's all it is.

Sigh. The powers of clairvoyance that some people on this board possess is astounding sometimes. I would have thought we were past the point where sexual behaviour wasn't seen as conflicting with loving being around your family, but apparently we've still got a long way to go, baby. 
 
Here is an alternative explanation for some of the behaviour that doesn't require pretending to have some insight into the mental processes of somebody who you've never met. 
 
Singing, writing, performing, dancing, public relations, mixing with people, taking criticism and being optimistic are all different characteristics or skills. A person can have a few, or all, or none of these, but having one doesn't necessarily mean that you would be expected to have any of the others. To be a pop star, though, you're meant to have all of them, to an extreme degree. Each of us will decide which of them is more important - some people don't think a person should be considered a singer if they can't perform live, others don't care as long as they sound good on record. Some of us don't want to see a singer who can't dance at the same time, others of us don't care. Some of us don't care who a singer treats her fans, others of us really care about how the performer relates to people who like her. But you cannot ascribe a mental iilness to somebody because they are missing a few of these attributes. 
 
Even if Lizzy always wanted to be successful, the fact that there are parts of fame that make her miserable don't make her a hypocrite. They just mean that she couldn't see the future (like most of us can't), and the things that she was looking for in being famous came with a higher price than she expected. It's an age old story, and the only artists who manage to get through it are the ones who find a way to ignore all of the bullshit and focus entirely on the creative process. The rest either burn out or overdose or freak out. I'm hoping that the shift in tone in reporting on Lana - from beautiful puppet to worthwhile songwriter and singer - helps her to make the transition, but at this point, anything can happen. 
 
The Beatles stopped performing live because they couldn't hear themselves on stage, and because nobody cared about what they sounded like. Maybe Lana will decide that the chance to see the smiles on the people in the front row is not worth all of the bullshit, and she'll stop singing live as well. It's 100% true that some of her songs live are better than others, and some of her shows are better than others, and she has a few decisions to make about performing. But from her perspective, the things that she enjoyed doing - that were her way into the industry - had nothing to do with standing in front of 50,000 fans. They were writing, singing and putting together videos, and all of them could be done in a small room with only a few people around. That's an attitude I can relate to.
 
Finally, relationships fall apart for all sorts of reasons, and there is no such thing as the objective truth of why something fucks up. Everybody who has an opinion is either a biased participant, or someone who doesn't know what happened. So when it comes to her time with Barrie and what went wrong, the only reasonable response is to nod and move on, and accept what both of them say about it as their take on it.

I see it differently.
I truly believe she is incredibly confident about her sexuality. And that it's not a big deal to her. So for her to say she slept with a lot of people is not a big thing, because she doesn't sees it as something abnormal.
She even says (don't know if it is this interview of another one) that in a relationship it isn't for her always about the love and feeling, but that as long as the physical aspect and the chemistry is there, she is down. That's important to her.
And I don't see the problem with that, or that it implies that she is actualy really akward.
 
It's not like she needs to make this virgin-esque statue of herself taylor swift like, to be a good girl. Because if you see sexuality as a normal aspect of who you are and don't have a problem with it there is no problem. you can be a good person and enjoy yourself. And that doesn't mean that she can't have meaningful realtionships.
Like with Barrie, she had a relationship with him for 3 years, she clearly was in love. And now it is over, she don't seem to have a problem to be with other men just for physical realtions.
And one day she will fall in love again and have a relationship.
 
I really don't know where I am going with this, but really, I can not see your point at all. But maybe that's my fault.

I see it differently.
I truly believe she is incredibly confident about her sexuality. And that it's not a big deal to her. So for her to say she slept with a lot of people is not a big thing, because she doesn't sees it as something abnormal.
She even says (don't know if it is this interview of another one) that in a relationship it isn't for her always about the love and feeling, but that as long as the physical aspect and the chemistry is there, she is down. That's important to her.
And I don't see the problem with that, or that it implies that she is actualy really akward.
 
It's not like she needs to make this virgin-esque statue of herself taylor swift like, to be a good girl. Because if you see sexuality as a normal aspect of who you are and don't have a problem with it there is no problem. you can be a good person and enjoy yourself. And that doesn't mean that she can't have meaningful realtionships.
Like with Barrie, she had a relationship with him for 3 years, she clearly was in love. And now it is over, she don't seem to have a problem to be with other men just for physical realtions.
And one day she will fall in love again and have a relationship.
 
I really don't know where I am going with this, but really, I can not see your point at all. But maybe that's my fault.

I think that however insecure she is about herself and being on stage. She is incredibly confident in her sexuality.
It is the part that most people struggle with in their lives and with how other people might view it. But for her it is not a big deal. It is I think the only thing aside from feeling good about her music that she is 100 percent secure in.

I see it differently.
I truly believe she is incredibly confident about her sexuality. And that it's not a big deal to her. So for her to say she slept with a lot of people is not a big thing, because she doesn't sees it as something abnormal.
She even says (don't know if it is this interview of another one) that in a relationship it isn't for her always about the love and feeling, but that as long as the physical aspect and the chemistry is there, she is down. That's important to her.
And I don't see the problem with that, or that it implies that she is actualy really akward.
 
It's not like she needs to make this virgin-esque statue of herself taylor swift like, to be a good girl. Because if you see sexuality as a normal aspect of who you are and don't have a problem with it there is no problem. you can be a good person and enjoy yourself. And that doesn't mean that she can't have meaningful realtionships.
Like with Barrie, she had a relationship with him for 3 years, she clearly was in love. And now it is over, she don't seem to have a problem to be with other men just for physical realtions.
And one day she will fall in love again and have a relationship.
 
I really don't know where I am going with this, but really, I can not see your point at all. But maybe that's my fault.

I think that however insecure she is about herself and being on stage. She is incredibly confident in her sexuality.
It is the part that most people struggle with in their lives and with how other people might view it. But for her it is not a big deal. It is I think the only thing aside from feeling good about her music that she is 100 percent secure in.

or they split up. but kept it from the public to not create drama. And at the time of the interview he didn't know yet that the article was already out?

or they split up. but kept it from the public to not create drama. And at the time of the interview he didn't know yet that the article was already out?

I got the idea that Ultraviolence isn't supposed to be about the lyrics really. But more about the music and the flow and feeling. Al the chaotic instrumentals, the tempo changes, it presents her state of mind at different times in her life or even in moments. We know Lana can write really well, so I think all the repeating is done on purpose, to shift the focuse from the lyrics on to the flow of the song itself. I think it's also why a lot of the vocals are drowned out by the instrumentals. It's not meant to be carefully listened to, to understand the lyrics, it's meant to be felt.