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the physicals have the version of the album that was leaked. off the top of my head miss possessive had no spoken intro, sports car had the same prechorus twice and no bridge plus the chorus wasn't really whispered, greenlight's beat wasn't as prominent throughout the song and obviously it had better than i was + call my bluff instead of like i do + means i care + the 2 collabs. everything in general was mixed worse and with less extra vocals but mixes do change a lot so it was mostly the leak quality making it sound worse lol
 
and while i'm talking about the leak apparently this was gonna be the cover (the album would've dropped in december) with Star Child as the title as she teased in the it's ok i'm mv, but after that underperformed (in their eyes of course, I thought it did great cuz she was never gonna have another greedy so soon like...) the label pushed it back

the physicals have the version of the album that was leaked. off the top of my head miss possessive had no spoken intro, sports car had the same prechorus twice and no bridge plus the chorus wasn't really whispered, greenlight's beat wasn't as prominent throughout the song and obviously it had better than i was + call my bluff instead of like i do + means i care + the 2 collabs. everything in general was mixed worse and with less extra vocals but mixes do change a lot so it was mostly the leak quality making it sound worse lol
 
and while i'm talking about the leak apparently this was gonna be the cover (the album would've dropped in december) with Star Child as the title as she teased in the it's ok i'm mv, but after that underperformed (in their eyes of course, I thought it did great cuz she was never gonna have another greedy so soon like...) the label pushed it back

you can't tell him he's reaching (not that i fully disagree) while claiming she was drawing nsfw art of a child when that's your nasty interpretation lol. it's clearly art of an original character, not a child in any form with a slightly edgy caption that was posted -eight- years ago
 
this is like the 3rd mess brought up in a month and at this point it's just confusing. none of you like her or wanna hear an explanation that stops you from finding her problematic so why continue to discuss her instead of not coming to her thread? 

you can't tell him he's reaching (not that i fully disagree) while claiming she was drawing nsfw art of a child when that's your nasty interpretation lol. it's clearly art of an original character, not a child in any form with a slightly edgy caption that was posted -eight- years ago
 
this is like the 3rd mess brought up in a month and at this point it's just confusing. none of you like her or wanna hear an explanation that stops you from finding her problematic so why continue to discuss her instead of not coming to her thread? 

again, this tweet was brought up like a month ago and it's so obviously meant to be funny. it also doesn't defend pedophilia in any way(? unless you think the film does, and if that's the case you're not watching it properly lol
 
I didn't bring up other artists as I also think it makes no sense, my point was what @Dark Angel expanded on: it makes no sense to constantly go over every little thing she's done to determine whether or not she's a good person. if anything you find makes you uncomfortable you can simply ignore it or discuss it in a way that doesn't create more discourse

again, this tweet was brought up like a month ago and it's so obviously meant to be funny. it also doesn't defend pedophilia in any way(? unless you think the film does, and if that's the case you're not watching it properly lol
 
I didn't bring up other artists as I also think it makes no sense, my point was what @Dark Angel expanded on: it makes no sense to constantly go over every little thing she's done to determine whether or not she's a good person. if anything you find makes you uncomfortable you can simply ignore it or discuss it in a way that doesn't create more discourse

her drawing is definitely strange, and uncomfortable to look at, but i've heard people online claim it's intended to be someone of age, despite being drawn in a chibi style, so i don't know if it's automatically fair to brand it as CP or CP-adjacent, art is often very subjective and interpretable, and can often be misunderstood as well, i personally think it looks like a young man drawn in a chibi-like style, and also, it's heavily-stylized, and honestly not very anatomically-correct, so in that case, i feel like trying to dissect and analyze whether or not it's intended to be somebody of age is just a losing game, only hayden herself could know that for sure
 
i do think the drawing is very jarring, and absolutely inappropriate, at least, to share online, if it is depicting somebody underage, especially since the caption is pretty cheeky about it, and not taking it and what it depicts very seriously, i'm not one to dictate art, but i do believe it's highly inappropriate for someone to make depictions of children sexually/violently (assuming it is intended to be a child), we can't know for sure what exactly inspired her to draw something like that, but it should be very obvious by now that her work touches on many heavy subjects, of which have been relevant to her life, such as religion, sexuality, trauma, ETC. so perhaps there's more reasoning behind such a drawing, regardless, it likely wasn't appropriate for her to share publicly
 
at the end of the day... there's nothing we can do to change what artists have done in the past, we just have to decide whether or not we can look past certain things, and choose to continue to engage with someone's work, or not, not too long ago people here were criticizing her for being pro-life 12 years ago when she was like, 14 (which was RIDICULOUS lol people were just grasping at straws trying to find reasons to hate on her) or for some stupid edgy legalize incest shirt, and it's especially silly to me seeing people here fight about it while simultaneously being fans of artists who have done similarly questionable or worse things, including LDR! some would argue it was really weird for her to use footage from a kiddie pageant documentary in her homemade music videos, something i actually personally feel a bit uncomfortable with, but it's not enough for me to stop supporting her, are we brigading the melanie martinez thread talking about her sexual assault allegations? no, or, at least, i haven't, i can't recall that ever happening in recent times
 
it just seems like fighting over artists and what problematic things they have done just doesn't go anywhere, especially doing it in the artist's designated thread which will be populated by fans, we're all aware of hayden's actions, artistic choices, ETC. we aren't oblivious to it, we still choose to listen to her music anyway, just like with any other fans of artist who have done strange/questionable/bad things

This.
And looking back on it I was too dismissive about the drawing. it is inappropriate and shouldn't have been shared online. But honestly I'm tired of arguing about artists in their threads... save it for dms status updates or other threads where it's more welcome... I can already feel that this thread is gonna become the new Taylor thread at this point
However @Veinsineon I apologize. i shouldn't have brought up Melanie into this is I saw your message in the melanie thread and assumed the worst and for that I'm sorry.

i just wish this thread was normal 

you can't tell him he's reaching (not that i fully disagree) while claiming she was drawing nsfw art of a child when that's your nasty interpretation lol. it's clearly art of an original character, not a child in any form with a slightly edgy caption that was posted -eight- years ago
 
this is like the 3rd mess brought up in a month and at this point it's just confusing. none of you like her or wanna hear an explanation that stops you from finding her problematic so why continue to discuss her instead of not coming to her thread? 

new TEN minute Punish demo with a looot of new lyrics and it sounds incredible... bless her for feeding us after all the drama
 
https://soundcloud.com/mothercain/punish-demo-ii-1

new TEN minute Punish demo with a looot of new lyrics and it sounds incredible... bless her for feeding us after all the drama
 
https://soundcloud.com/mothercain/punish-demo-ii-1

new TEN minute Punish demo with a looot of new lyrics and it sounds incredible... bless her for feeding us after all the drama
 
https://soundcloud.com/mothercain/punish-demo-ii-1

these being 1. a very obvious joke tweet that you can find unfunny 2. a non-issue? 3. THIRTEEN years ago 4. a silly shirt
 
can't wait for this thread to slow down soon cuz all these attempts at causing drama are so lame 

these being 1. a very obvious joke tweet that you can find unfunny 2. a non-issue? 3. THIRTEEN years ago 4. a silly shirt
 
can't wait for this thread to slow down soon cuz all these attempts at causing drama are so lame 

well no one was fighting for once... i hope everyone's careful when sharing older material but it's always sooo interesting to see what she was up to in her early days 

there's no proof that they ever dated from what I know lmfao that diss track thing sounds so fake... honeymoun is reliable but messy he probably made it up

there's no proof that they ever dated from what I know lmfao that diss track thing sounds so fake... honeymoun is reliable but messy he probably made it up

there's no proof that they ever dated from what I know lmfao that diss track thing sounds so fake... honeymoun is reliable but messy he probably made it up

she doesn't do it to be different she literally just wanted to explore some of her favourite genres lol + you know damn well no one who hates CEOs is thinking about some poor lady instead of world leaders and rich bastards. let's use our brains!

she doesn't do it to be different she literally just wanted to explore some of her favourite genres lol + you know damn well no one who hates CEOs is thinking about some poor lady instead of world leaders and rich bastards. let's use our brains!

she doesn't do it to be different she literally just wanted to explore some of her favourite genres lol + you know damn well no one who hates CEOs is thinking about some poor lady instead of world leaders and rich bastards. let's use our brains!

she doesn't do it to be different she literally just wanted to explore some of her favourite genres lol + you know damn well no one who hates CEOs is thinking about some poor lady instead of world leaders and rich bastards. let's use our brains!

she doesn't do it to be different she literally just wanted to explore some of her favourite genres lol + you know damn well no one who hates CEOs is thinking about some poor lady instead of world leaders and rich bastards. let's use our brains!

I told y'all! I didn't want to just post the link tho lol
 
more like year end 2025 from what I know but let's enjoy Perverts for now <3