TEMPORARY Chemtrails Over the Country Club - Pre-Release Thread: OUT March 19th, 2021

[Future Jazz 9,194]

8 minutes ago, Araby said:

There's so much depth to VB (even its lyrics). Maybe you just haven't thought about it enough yet, or listened for the meaning past the words. I personally really enjoyed her more understated lyricism in NFR— it feels much more personal and much less melodramatic (she's not pulling any The Blackest Day-type "It's not one of those phases I'm going through" verses where she amplifies her situation poetically). It's not self-referential like a lot of her other work. VB is a special song, and all the lyrics (even banal ice cream lyrics) contribute to making it the fantastic track that it is.

once again, I'm not saying the lyrics to VB are bad, I'm saying that in my opinion, which you don't seem to give a lot of credit to - implying im just not at the point where i can understand what you understand - they're not as good as those for the better half of the songs on NFR. and the lyrics to bartender, california, hope, fuck it i love you, how to disappear aren't that melodramatic either. and i JUST said i expected more from white dress, for the reasons that i gave, but maybe that was, indeed, setting myself up for disappointment. let's agree to disagree though!

[Future Jazz 9,194]

Just now, Contemplating God said:

Isn't she singing about Ice Cream in Salvatore

 

I wonder what makes that track so different 

i'm not saying salvatore has good lyrics, nor am i saying venice bitch isn't a good song

4 minutes ago, Araby said:

Also like,,,, Lana has written far worse lines (we're talking about a woman who rhymes baby with crazy like every other track). "Ice cream, ice queen; I dream in jeans and leather" is at least fun wordplay and it's a memorably specific way to describe herself. So it's a weird line to try and come for in the first place

i agree she's written far worse lines, i just thought white dress would be above all that. and i picked that one because i think it represents well vb's lyrics!

[Araby 676]

4 minutes ago, Contemplating God said:

Isn't she singing about Ice Cream in Salvatore

 

I wonder what makes that track so different 

Yes, she sings "soft ice cream" in Salvatore too, but it's differently stylized— in VB, she's using the image of soft ice cream to tie herself to the piers in CA where it's commonly served. She follows it with "ice queen" to further the metaphor— she's got a cold shoulder but she's sweet.

 

In Salvatore, the ice cream metaphor is much more focused on the idea of consumption, hence why it's used as a more seductive lyric. Here, it's more like she "is" ice cream to her lover— something messy but luxurious to eat, and usually devoured in the heat of summer. It fits the song in a different way imo

 

So in other words, I deadass think it's a good line in Salvatore too but for entirely different reasons 

[Fingertips 72,034]

3 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

i'm not saying salvatore has good lyrics, nor am i saying venice bitch isn't a good song

i agree she's written far worse lines, i just thought white dress would be above all that. and i picked that one because i think it represents well vb's lyrics!

i'm not attacking you i hear you

 

just saying that she said the track has weird lyrics where you don't know what she's talking about until you get to the end of the track, so a VB comparison really isn't that surprising. I don't think he said it in terms of the WD having minimal lyrics, but it conveys a feeling rather than a story.

[Araby 676]

8 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

once again, I'm not saying the lyrics to VB are bad, I'm saying that in my opinion, which you don't seem to give a lot of credit to - implying im just not at the point where i can understand what you understand - they're not as good as those for the better half of the songs on NFR. and the lyrics to bartender, california, hope, fuck it i love you, how to disappear aren't that melodramatic either. and i JUST said i expected more from white dress, for the reasons that i gave, but maybe that was, indeed, setting myself up for disappointment. let's agree to disagree though!

I really do apologize if you ever felt like I was disrespecting your opinion! It's just that I saw you make some claims about VB and its lyrics, but you didn't post anything to back it up besides the ice cream lyric (which I actually think is clever, and I explained why I think so). Everyone's taste is totally different and that's okay! I guess I'd just be careful criticizing such a beloved song without explaining why or articulating what you dislike

[Lustrouslines 5,202]

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

[Future Jazz 9,194]

19 minutes ago, Araby said:

I really do apologize if you ever felt like I was disrespecting your opinion! I just saw you make some claims about VB and its lyrics, but you didn't post anything to back it up besides the ice cream lyric (which I actually think is clever, and I explained why I think so). Everyone's taste is totally different and that's okay! I guess I'd just be careful criticizing such a beloved song without really explaining why or articulating what you dislike

I agree that the elements that the lyrics contain add up to a pleasant, sweet, nostalgic atmosphere. and for that reason, I don't think they're bad lyrics, i think they're average Lana lyrics. however, the reasons why i feel they're not as good as those for many other songs are that first, they don't have lines that I'd call beautiful in the sense that 'but i love that man, like nobody can, he moves mountains and pounds them to ground again' is. individually considered, all of its lines are very simple, and that's something that makes the lyrics weaker, to me, than those of HTD, where the global atmosphere is there too, but the lyrics individually considered are excellent. i also think a lot of those elements are reused from other songs ('nothing gold can stay', 'ice cream', being American, being stronger, being insane and beautiful, getting high, diamonds, Norman Rockwell...) to the point where it feels a bit forced to me. and finally, I know that's a controversial take, but for social and political reasons, I'm not a fan of calling oneself a bitch, or depicting oneself in an object-type position for men (which 'i'm sweet for you', 'it's me your little venice bitch', 'you write' and only THEN 'i tour' imply, in my opinion).

but then again, I know they're far from being her worst lyrics

[uvbabe 4,730]

13 minutes ago, Lustrouslines said:

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

 

I claim Dark But Just a Game and Wild at Heart 

[Future Jazz 9,194]

21 minutes ago, Lustrouslines said:

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

Tulsa Jesus Freak and Not All Who Wander Are Lost 

[NikoGo 60,799]

19 minutes ago, Lustrouslines said:

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

I’ve been claiming BUS since day one and holding on strong to that one 

 

TJF because it was once the title track and Lana and Jack both described it as cool

 

And honestly DBJAG, NAWWAL, and WAH are all going to be career highlights. 
 

you also can’t forget Yosemite, DTWD, and For Free. I claim those too

 

i also claim COTCC becuase it’s one of her best title tracks, and LMLYLAW is super cute so I claim her too. 
 

And lastly I claim WD because it’s going to start the album off super strong 

 

[HunterSThompson 4,646]

25 minutes ago, Lustrouslines said:

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

I claim For Free because it's going to be her best studio cover and no one else seems to be too excited for it 

[Jimmytheworst 855]

28 minutes ago, Lustrouslines said:

Fuck this album is going to blow everyone out of the water we truly know nothing about the soundscape  we might know the instruments and some of the descriptions but we don’t know anything about how it will be interpreted personally into our lives or even the impact it may have on us... lets start claiming tracks! 

For me I would have to say Tulsa Jesus Freak or Wild at Heart

Idk why but ever since I heard this part of BUS we have i felt like it would be such a fave for me  i also gravitate todawrds TJF and Yosemite the most

[Icecream Icequeen 4,831]

47 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

I just thought that the way Eclipse loved it and Lana seems to deem it special implied there would be more to the lyrics than 'ice cream, ice queen, i dream in jeans and leather'  

Did you just try to come for my username?  
Cause let me tell you that line is sweet, vulnerable, and iconic. Just like the rest of VB is sweet, vulnerable, iconic, with a dash of nostalgia.

 

If WD even comes close to VB lyrically, and sonically, we have nothing to worry. 

[honeybadger 40,620]

dance till we die... sure the title is  but her "tribute" tracks - living legend, TLY, others i can't think of - are beautiful and stunning. and mojo called it outstanding

[Lentilus 25,719]

3 minutes ago, Icecream Icequeen said:

Did you just try to come for my username?  
Cause let me tell you that line is sweet, vulnerable, and iconic. Just like the rest of VB is sweet, vulnerable, iconic, with a dash of nostalgia.

 

If WD even comes close to VB lyrically, and sonically, we have nothing to worry. 

Period!!! 

[Jimmytheworst 855]

Also let's not talk shit about the masterpiece that VB is plz ... 

I doubt we will ever get anything as beautiful as this song from our queen ever again

[honeybadger 40,620]

COCC is coming soon and it'll heal us all... the great lipster rift will be sewn together and we'll join in our love for COCC 

 

i really wonder if ivory frock will come out this week... i most definitely wouldn't say yes but i also wouldn't say no..... march 5th would be really nice 

[lustforlife 19,008]

The mother and the son for me

2. “Mariners Apartment Complex” Chemtrails Over The Country Club
3. “Venice Bitch” Dance Till We Die
5. “Doin’ Time” For Free
6. “Love Song” Breaking Up Slowly
7. “Cinnamon Girl” Tulsa Jesus Freak
9. “California”   Yosemite
11. “The Greatest” Dark But Just a Game
12. “Bartender” Let Me Love You Like a Woman
13. “Happiness Is a Butterfly” Wild At Heart
14. “Hope Is a Dangerous Thing for Woman Like Me to Have — but I Have It” White Dress

[Future Jazz 9,194]

8 minutes ago, Jimmytheworst said:

Also let's not talk shit about the masterpiece that VB is plz ... 

I doubt we will ever get anything as beautiful as this song from our queen ever again

just because it's generally considered a good song doesn't mean it's above criticism 

[Beautiful Loser 48,821]

Let's try to keep the VB and Norman discussions in the NFR! post-release thread from now on?