Random Lana Discussion Thread

[baddisease 18,120]

Just now, fl0r1dakil0s said:

I don't think a lot of you guys actually like Lana lmfao

 

Liking Lana doesn't require glazing her or defending everything she does or not criticizing her. At this point, in at least past few years, she's done such fucked up shit that if it were anyone else, I wouldn't just not be a fan or, further, openly criticize her off the fan sites. 

[fl0r1dakil0s 21,787]

2 minutes ago, baddisease said:

In at least [the] past few years, she's done such fucked up shit that if it were anyone else, I wouldn't just not be a fan or, further, [I'd] openly criticize her off the fan sites. 

 

Yeah.. it doesn't seem like you really like her lol. Lana has not done a lot of "fucked up shit" in the past few years at all  

[baddisease 18,120]

1 minute ago, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

Yeah.. it doesn't seem like you really like her lol. Lana has not done a lot of "fucked up shit" in the past few years at all  

 

 

To you. But I know you don't value any of the things that I do. 

 

 

The things she's done that I find fucked up are:

 

 

1. Question For The Culture (had this been the only messed up thing she did, and it was for awhile, i would have ignored it) 

2. Deciding to use Black Lives Matter for clout in a song not even remotely about it. 

3. Marrying a disgusting, openly and violently transphobic Trump supporter all the while claiming to oppose Trump and support LGBT people. And following that up with reacting to the criticism by begging fan pages on Instagram not to talk about it. She didn't bother to say anything about it openly except that. But it tracks with her love for the cult preacher.

4. This bullshit. Her team is a reflection of her, acts on her behalf, is responsible to her. Clearly they ghosted the victim. And her manager is blocking people and deleting comments about it. She couldn't have known initially and that's important but her team is still fucked. But I will say I'll give her credit if she actually takes action on this at some point.

 

Just bc YOU don't find any of that important doesn't mean I shouldn't.

[jaesana 4,060]

Lana seems like a lovely, fucked up weirdo who makes great music and bad personal decisions. This became clear to me when she shit on feminism in 2014 and then dated a cop

Nothing about this situation is surprising to me personally

”Beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do” are lyrics that come out of someone who is really not quite morally all there

And yet she’s been my fave for over a decade. It is what it is

[fl0r1dakil0s 21,787]

12 minutes ago, baddisease said:

1. Question For The Culture (had this been the only messed up thing she did, and it was for awhile, i would have ignored it) 

2. Deciding to use Black Lives Matter for clout in a song not even remotely about it. 

3. Marrying a disgusting, openly and violently transphobic Trump supporter all the while claiming to oppose Trump and support LGBT people. And following that up with reacting to the criticism by begging fan pages on Instagram not to talk about it. She didn't bother to say anything about it openly except that. But it tracks with her love for the cult preacher.

4. This bullshit. Her team is a reflection of her, acts on her behalf, is responsible to her. Clearly they ghosted the victim. And her manager is blocking people and deleting comments about it. She couldn't have known initially and that's important but her team is still fucked. But I will say I'll give her credit if she actually takes action on this at some point.

 

Just bc YOU don't find any of that important doesn't mean I shouldn't.

 

1. She mothered in that letter and frankly it was iconic 

 

2. How do you know why Lana decided to mention something in a song? And exactly what "clout" did it give her? It's not like it was a big song at all. Nobody who wasn't a Lana fan heard it.

 

3. Lana is a singer. She isn't responsible for representing a political view. She isn't "betraying her fans" by marrying a Trump supporter lol. If she was some sort of social activist this point would make more sense but she's made it very clear she's.. more interested in SpaceX or something.

 

4. This quite literally has nothing to do with her. She isn't responsible for her management and they don't ask for her permission before they delete comments. She's done nothing wrong lmfao

 

4 minutes ago, jaesana said:

”Beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do” are lyrics that come out of someone who is really not quite morally all there

 

??????????

 

Ewww this is one of the weirdest posts i've seen on this website in a long time. Gross 

[That Venice Bitch 29,298]

Pump the brakes a little

[baddisease 18,120]

Just now, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

1. She mothered in that letter and frankly it was iconic 

 

2. How do you know why Lana decided to mention something in a song? And exactly what "clout" did it give her. It's not like it was a big song at all? Nobody who wasn't a Lana fan heard it.

 

3. Lana is a singer. She isn't responsible for representing a political view. She isn't "betraying her fans" by marrying a Trump supporter lol. If she was some sort of social activist this point would make more sense but she's made it very clear she's.. more interested in SpaceX or something.

 

4. This quite literally has nothing to do with her. She isn't responsible for her management and they don't ask for her permission before they delete comments. She's done nothing wrong lmfao

 

1. Of course you'd say that. 

 

2. It doesn't matter why she did it. The lyrics are there. She didn't need to mention it at all. Would it be better if I said she'd decided to use it as her own personal prop rather than something serious? 

 

3. She's responsible for all of the messages she sends by the things she does bc she's a celebrity. Her social power makes it that way. And by doing what she does, she's representing one. She is responsible for that. She's being a hypocrite. She pretended to oppose Trump by pretending to be a witch. She can be held accountable for everything she does, including being a hypocritical, vapid person.

 

4. She is responsible for hiring them. For making sure they do what's in her best interests. She's does a lot, personally, for a domestic abuser.

3 minutes ago, That Venice Bitch said:

Pump the brakes a little

 

Gotcha. My last post was posted before I saw this.

[Rita Hayworth 212]

Reading this thread I’ve been having some thoughts. Please don’t take this the wrong way.

 

Why is it so bad to criticise Lana? Is she exempt from occasionally making wrong decisions because she is incredibly talented or because she’s our favourite singer? No. She can still do questionable things, and she can be criticised for the problematic behaviour of people she chooses to surround herself with. There’s a clear pattern that has been going on recently. 
 

Lana has stopped engaging as much with her fandom, and probably rightly so. She needs to protect her mental health, her privacy and dignity. When every single thing you say publicly/online gets so heavily scrutinised and twisted, I don’t blame her for not wanting to speak out much on this topic. 
However all this does is give way to speculation. There’s this theory called Occam’s razor which suggests the simplest explanation to events, is usually the most likely one. Sadly the situation here is that we are left to consider, does Lana really just share all the same right wing values of her partner, or does she just simply does not care what political side he aligns himself with because she is blindly in love. But I’ve read so much convoluted gibberish in Thais thread and I just don’t see much point in speculating. 
 

I guess we will never know, she doesn’t owe us an explanation either. So I’ve come to believe there’s not much point in holding her to any expectations. Just enjoy the art. 

[baddisease 18,120]

2 minutes ago, Rita Hayworth said:

Reading this thread I’ve been having some thoughts. Please don’t take this the wrong way.

 

Why is it so bad to criticise Lana? Is she exempt from occasionally making wrong decisions because she is incredibly talented or because she’s our favourite singer? No. She can still do questionable things, and she can be criticised for the problematic behaviour of people she chooses to surround herself with. There’s a clear pattern that has been going on recently. 
 

Lana has stopped engaging as much with her fandom, and probably rightly so. She needs to protect her mental health, her privacy and dignity. When every single thing you say publicly/online gets so heavily scrutinised and twisted, I don’t blame her for not wanting to speak out much on this topic. 
However all this does is give way to speculation. There’s this theory called Occam’s razor which suggests the simplest explanation to events, is usually the most likely one. Sadly the situation here is that we are left to consider, does Lana really just share all the same right wing values of her partner, or does she just simply does not care what political side he aligns himself with because she is blindly in love. But I’ve read so much convoluted gibberish in Thais thread and I just don’t see much point in speculating. 
 

I guess we will never know, she doesn’t owe us an explanation either. So I’ve come to believe there’s not much point in holding her to any expectations. Just enjoy the art. 

 

 

Regarding this, and I think it applies to every single person, it doesn't matter if someone does a certain value. But if you're partner's values include racism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-migrant sentiment... no matter what you may think of it, by being with them and tolerating it, you might as well have those values yourself. 

[Genesee 6,639]

wow this is really sad. my heart is with the victim, i hope she is doing okay right now. 

[jaesana 4,060]

1 hour ago, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

??????????

 

Ewww this is one of the weirdest posts i've seen on this website in a long time. Gross 

Who tf do you think wrote these lyrics?  

[Dark Angel 204,903]

1 hour ago, jaesana said:

Lana seems like a lovely, fucked up weirdo who makes great music and bad personal decisions. This became clear to me when she shit on feminism in 2014 and then dated a cop

Nothing about this situation is surprising to me personally

”Beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do” are lyrics that come out of someone who is really not quite morally all there

And yet she’s been my fave for over a decade. It is what it is

 

i disagree, i see nothing wrong with provocative/shocking lyrics, as long as they're done tactfully enough, it's obvious she's dealt with some bad, perhaps abusive relationships, perhaps was involved with some sort of cult, and hinted at possibly physical abuse from her mother my father never stepped in when his wife would rage at me so i feel nobody should dictate how she express her feelings regarding abuse, i do not find it immoral to talk about such heavy things like this, but i like dark, provocative art, to an extent, so that's just how i feel

 

at the end of the day, listeners can decide what they do or do not feel comfortable listening to, but it isn't like her music is usually sunshine, puppies, and rainbows to begin with, she's said similarly provocative things in put me in a movie, ultraviolence, arguably beautiful player, and butterflies pt. 2 as a whole, not to mention all of the lolita references, and, again, i don't consider her immoral for being provocative, if anything, we can only speculate at the end of the day what she really means by what she says

[jaesana 4,060]

9 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

i disagree, i see nothing wrong with provocative/shocking lyrics, as long as they're done tactfully enough, it's obvious she's dealt with some bad, perhaps abusive relationships, perhaps was involved with some sort of cult, and hinted at possibly physical abuse from her mother my father never stepped in when his wife would rage at me so i feel nobody should dictate how she express her feelings regarding abuse, i do not find it immoral to talk about such heavy things like this, but i like dark, provocative art, to an extent, so that's just how i feel

 

at the end of the day, listeners can decide what they do or do not feel comfortable listening to, but it isn't like her music is usually sunshine, puppies, and rainbows to begin with, she's said similarly provocative things in put me in a movie, ultraviolence, arguably beautiful player, and butterflies pt. 2 as a whole, not to mention all of the lolita references, and, again, i don't consider her immoral for being provocative, if anything, we can only speculate at the end of the day what she really means by what she says

That’s what I like about her. I really enjoy art that touches on dark topics if it’s done well. I don’t necessarily think ultraviolence was particularly “responsible” songwriting, but it’s not always the narrator’s place to be responsible

In the case of this bodyguard, if the allegations are true she should make the right decision and get rid of him.

My overall point is that I think she’s done plenty of fucked up shit and that makes its way into her art but also her personal decisions. I like her regardless, honestly. @fl0r1dakil0s just read my comment on her Smarty lyric in bad faith. That’s all.

 

Edit: would like to clarify I do not think Elizabeth grant is an immoral person. Lol

[baddisease 18,120]

10 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

i disagree, i see nothing wrong with provocative/shocking lyrics, as long as they're done tactfully enough, it's obvious she's dealt with some bad, perhaps abusive relationships, perhaps was involved with some sort of cult, and hinted at possibly physical abuse from her mother my father never stepped in when his wife would rage at me so i feel nobody should dictate how she express her feelings regarding abuse, i do not find it immoral to talk about such heavy things like this, but i like dark, provocative art, to an extent, so that's just how i feel

 

at the end of the day, listeners can decide what they do or do not feel comfortable listening to, but it isn't like her music is usually sunshine, puppies, and rainbows to begin with, she's said similarly provocative things in put me in a movie, ultraviolence, arguably beautiful player, and butterflies pt. 2 as a whole, not to mention all of the lolita references, and, again, i don't consider her immoral for being provocative, if anything, we can only speculate at the end of the day what she really means by what she says

 

The art people make is reflective of their morals and HOW you talk about it matters.

[jaesana 4,060]

3 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

The art people make is reflective of their morals and HOW you talk about it matters.

Yeah and I think it’s important to recognize there are victims of abuse who have criticized UV and other dubious lyrics she’s written. 

[Dark Angel 204,903]

20 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

The art people make is reflective of their morals and HOW you talk about it matters.

 

her saying beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do doesn't automatically mean she's accepting of domestic abuse, especially since it's about HER being abused, if anything, i feel like one would be more sympathetic that she might feel that way, or be in that situation, same with he hit me and it felt like a kiss, which references a song featuring very similar lyrics to the aforementioned smarty lyrics, a song sung by a woman trying to justify somebody abusing her, if she were singing about abusing someone, it might be different, and could be indicative of who she might be like as a person, but people should be allowed to express shocking, dark, and sometimes troubling things in their art, trying to stifle that, control that, or make it some sort of moral issue just limits what people can express artistically, which i find to be a terrible thing for art, and, honestly, lana's music really isn't that dark compared to some other artists, ethel cain's first album is literally about a girl being kidnapped, prostituted, murdered, and cannibalized, does ethel cain making an entire album about that make her immoral? and if lana's wrong for singing about abuse, why should ethel cain get a pass for making an album about something so harrowing?

 

like i said before, listeners can decide what they do or do not feel comfortable listening to, and i'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to have opinions, or perhaps criticisms about lyrics, but i feel like there just isn't really a definitive answer as to what people should or should not say in their songs, and it's really just up to the listeners to decide what they want to listen to, the musicians creating the music and writing/singing the lyrics honestly aren't responsible for the feelings of random listeners who happen to come across their art, it's not their job to coddle or to be completely palatable for random people they don't know, if they don't want to

 

and, also, i really don't mean to make it about you, but i just find it odd how you're sitting here talking about how lana's done so much fucked up shit, in your opinion, while openly stanning melanie martinez (your member tag is the #1 melanie martinez fan on lanaboards and you have a gif of her in your signature) someone accused of RAPE? sexually assaulting someone is 100x worse to me compared to someone making ignorant comments or marrying someone morally dubious, i just don't understand how you could look past that, right now she's literally under controversy again for a coloring book she made featuring very inappropriate depictions of children, which, again, i find to be unacceptable, and worse than questionable lyrics or ignorant statements

[somber 817]

1 hour ago, Rita Hayworth said:

Why is it so bad to criticise Lana? 

Speaking from experience, when I first became a fan of Lana back in 2022/early 2023, I was a diehard ride or die for her. She doesn't know me, yet I'm over here defending her accusations and mistakes like I'm her father. I think when you first hear art and truly listen and digest it and become in love with the art and the person, you become parasocial, whether you realize it or not. You start defending their morally gray actions, going hard for them in X comment sections and so forth. That's just how it is sometimes with certain fans.

 

Now, speaking of that, many fans of Lana still have that mindset, especially at their grown age. I'm not referring to anyone in this website, to be frank, I'm not familiar with even a 1/8th of the people on here. But from what I've seen on social media sites and apps, people really believe that they know Lana personally, and how she acts, and how she thinks. And to some extent, people may, because I know in the past Lana has befriended some of her supporters. But it comes to a point where it's just tiring. Where everything people see that's wrong with Lana, they disregard because the music is good, or because she's mother. And that's just not a proper way to think. This doesn't just go for Lana, but for many other artists, or people in general. 

 

Personally, I've learned to stop letting things to get me. Like yes, will I defend Lana when people spit false accusations and utter lies? Yes, to an extent. But I'm no longer, and have no longer, gone off the deep-end and fight till my hands are bloody for her. To admit it, Lana has done things in the past where she's just not good. It may not be some big, unsettling scandal, but there's been instances that I've researched myself, and she just is morally gray, maybe sometimes black. 

 

What's going on in this thread, to be completely, I haven't been paying attention that much, nor do I care entirely (in some ways). My heart sincerely goes out for the women that endure shit from that guy. No one deserves to be abused or mistreated. I'm not a big dog lover; I'm a cat person (even though I want a husky when get my house), but no animal should be mistreated or be in the hands of a person who mistreats people. Regardless, people batting an eye to Lana's behavior in all this is disappointing. (Not directly saying anyone here btw) I'm sure by now, she knows what's going on, it's been what, one or two days now. I'm sure her team or family has told her, hey your bodyguard did this and that. Or maybe she doesn't know, and her managing team is handling this alone. Who knows. For all we know, the guy could've been fired by now, and during Stagecoach, we won't see him again. 

 

All I think sometimes it's best to enjoy the art. Yes, other times, it's good to talk about serious situations like this, but also enjoying the music is simply an option. That's my take! Now Ima go back to drawing (don't hurt me for this) 

[fl0r1dakil0s 21,787]

38 minutes ago, jaesana said:

Who tf do you think wrote these lyrics?  

 

interpreting these lyrics as coming from a woman who is "morally" okay with domestic abuse seems almost intentionally obtuse and mirrors the backwards mental attitudes of the people who perpetuated the absurd criticism lana received in 2014 for songs like ultraviolence.. media literacy is in the garbage omfg

[baddisease 18,120]

16 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

 

her saying beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do doesn't automatically mean she's accepting of domestic abuse, especially since it's about HER being abused, if anything, i feel like one would be more sympathetic that she might feel that way, or be in that situation, same with he hit me and it felt like a kiss, which references a song featuring very similar lyrics to the aforementioned smarty lyrics, a song sung by a woman trying to justify somebody abusing her, if she were singing about abusing someone, it might be different, and could be indicative of who she might be like as a person, but people should be allowed to express shocking, dark, and sometimes troubling things in their art, trying to stifle that, control that, or make it some sort of moral issue just limits what people can express artistically, which i find to be a terrible thing for art, and, honestly, lana's music really isn't that dark compared to some other artists, ethel cain's first album is literally about a girl being kidnapped, prostituted, murdered, and cannibalized, does ethel cain making an entire album about that make her immoral? and if lana's wrong for singing about abuse, why should ethel cain get a pass for making an album about something so harrowing?

 

like i said before, listeners can decide what they do or do not feel comfortable listening to, and i'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to have opinions, or perhaps criticisms about lyrics, but i feel like there just isn't really a definitive answer as to what people should or should not say in their songs, and it's really just up to the listeners to decide what they want to listen to, the musicians creating the music and writing/singing the lyrics honestly aren't responsible for the feelings of random listeners who happen to come across their art, it's not their job to coddle or to be completely palatable for random people they don't know, if they don't want to

 

and, also, i really don't mean to make it about you, but i just find it odd how you're sitting here talking about how lana's done so much fucked up shit, in your opinion, while openly stanning melanie martinez (your member tag is the #1 melanie martinez fan on lanaboards and you have a gif of her in your signature) someone accused of RAPE? sexually assaulting someone is 100x worse to me compared to someone making ignorant comments or marrying someone morally dubious, i just don't understand how you could look past that, right now she's literally under controversy again for a coloring book she made featuring very inappropriate depictions of children, which, again, i find to be completely unacceptable 

 

It's not that she made the songs at all that's immoral. I love those songs and can relate to UV for reasons. It's what's happening with this victim that puts everything else into a bad light, for me.

 

 

Regarding Melanie: I already addressed that. And the fact a Melanie has done fucked up things doesn't absolve Lana of anything. And I can be critical of both, a skill some people seem to lack. Every single artist I like can and have (probably) done horrible things and I can call them out for that 

 

[Dark Angel 204,903]

5 minutes ago, baddisease said:

 

It's not that she made the songs at all that's immoral. I love those songs and can relate to UV for reasons. It's what's happening with this victim that puts everything else into a bad light, for me.

 

 

Regarding Melanie: I already addressed that. And the fact a Melanie has done fucked up things doesn't absolve Lana of anything. And I can find be critical of both, a skill some people seem to lack. Every single artist I like can and have (probably) done horrible things and I can call them out for that 

 

 

i just don't really understand how you've made numerous posts discussing how lana's done terrible things (most of which really ARE NOT compared to what many other celebrities have done, like let's be for real) but haven't made any effort to do the same for someone who's accused of rape, no, it doesn't necessarily absolve lana of her questionable actions, but i find it hypocritical for you to be criticizing lana for ultimately minor things in the grand scheme of things when somebody you're (mostly) silent about regarding questionable actions has been accused of rape, one of the most evil things you could do to someone