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13 minutes ago, JDaniel said:

Si vous aimez death in june vous adorerez david tibet (current 93)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7NM8d-p5Qg

Oh i know  I’ve been obsessed with the music and projects of David Tibet, Douglas Pierce and Steve Stapleton (Nurse with Wound) for the past year. Nature and Organization is a super group composed of Tibet and Pierce and other musicians, including Rose Mcdowall of Strawberry Switchblade. 
 

The only issue with Current 93 is that the Discography is MASSIVE and ranges so much in sound, so its hard to get into. Plus the rather poetic and spoken word delivery vocal style of Tibet is off putting to some. My fav albums by them right now is Thunder Perfect Mind and The Light Takes Us All. Both beautiful albums. Falling asleep to a Current 93 playlist is dangerous because it may be like peaceful 80% of the time but then out of nowhere you’re woken up by pure noise or weird sounds.

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1 minute ago, X8vinylScratchX said:

Oh I know   I've been obsessed with the music and projects of David Tibet, Douglas Pierce and Steve Stapleton (Nurse with Wound) over the last year. Nature and Organization is a great band consisting of Tibet and Pierce and other musicians including Rose Mcdowall of Strawberry Switchblade. 
 

The only problem with Current 93 is that the discography is HUGE and very varied in terms of sound, so it's hard to get into it. Also, Tibet's rather poetic and spoken vocal style is off-putting to some people. My favorite albums at the moment are Thunder Perfect Mind and The Light Takes Us All. They are both beautiful albums. Falling asleep to a Current 93 playlist is dangerous because it can be peaceful 80% of the time, but then out of nowhere you're woken up by pure noise or strange sounds.

I distanced myself a little from these artists because some flirted a little too much with a morbid fascination for fascism  and even Nazism .

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27 minutes ago, JDaniel said:

I distanced myself a little from these artists because some flirted a little too much with a morbid fascination for fascism  and even Nazism .

Death in June and Pearce are responsible for the sketchy political reputation of the neo-folk genre, with the logo and the aesthetics of the project mainly being the cause. In the Death in June documentary he talked growing up in post-wwii europe and how he was trying to win approval from his father even though he had a morbid fascination with WWII and was gay. The whole thing came across very pretentious on his part because he never just straight up says what he believes, he was just very vague and artsy about it. Like is he actually a gay nazi? Or is is a character or a concept for the albums? A youtube video about the topic called the politics of Douglas Pearce of something like that kind if came to the conclusion that he really isn’t political, but is rather playing into the controversy surrounding his aesthetics, and that the imagery represent the “death” aspect of Death in June. But in another interview he said the name Death in June had no meaning and was created after he misheard a bandmate speaking in the studio, so i think he’s just making shit up and there’s no consensus  In interviews he flat out said he’s not political, but thats a clear bullshit answer because then why would there be controversy at all (and its obvious there’s at least some political subtext going on given the logo)

 

Honestly the imagery of Death in June is the worst part of the project and a shame because it really undermines his music. What Ends When Symbols shatter is a great album. And based on lyrics throughout all his projects there really is no direct political commentary at all. Just references and broad “poetic” rambling, much less actual poetry like Current 93

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2 minutes ago, X8vinylScratchX said:

Death in June and Pearce are responsible for the neo-folk genre's dubious political reputation, with the project's logo and aesthetic. In the documentary Death in June, he talks about growing up in post-war Europe and how he tried to get his father's approval even though he had a morbid fascination with World War II and was gay. It all came across as very pretentious on his part because he never really says what he thinks, he was just very vague and artistic about it. Is he really a gay Nazi? Or is it a character or a concept for the albums? A YouTube video on the subject called The politics of Douglas Pearce, something like that, came to the conclusion that he's not really political, but rather playing into the controversy surrounding his aesthetic, and that the imagery represents the "death" aspect of Death in June. But in another interview he said that the name Death in June had no meaning and was created after he misheard a band member speaking in the studio, so I think he's making up bullshit and there's no consensus.   In interviews he's outright said he's not political, but that's a clearly bogus answer because then why would there be any controversy at all (and it's obvious there's at least some political subtext given the logo)

 

Honestly, the imagery on Death in June is the worst part of the project and it's a shame because it really detracts from the music. What Ends When Symbols Shatter is a great album. And if you look at the lyrics on all of his projects, there's really no direct political commentary. Just references and broad "poetic" ramblings, much less poetry like Current 93.

Many Italian neo folk groups also take up Mussolini's imagery.

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10 minutes ago, JDaniel said:

Many Italian neo folk groups also take up Mussolini's imagery.

What are some Italian Neo-folk groups?

 

I’m reading the neo-folk wikipedia page right now and it’s giving some more insight, saying broadly across the genre there’s themes of cultural and literary references, which ranges from topic to topic, and at the bottom its talking about metaphors for fascism 

 

Ok so yea, i wouldn’t blame anyone for trying to avoid this genre based on that introduction 

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1 hour ago, X8vinylScratchX said:

What are some Italian Neo-folk groups?

 

I’m reading the neo-folk wikipedia page right now and it’s giving some more insight, saying broadly across the genre there’s themes of cultural and literary references, which ranges from topic to topic, and at the bottom its talking about metaphors for fascism 

 

Ok so yea, i wouldn’t blame anyone for trying to avoid this genre based on that introduction 

camerata mediolananse attacked by a group of far left activists, there is also ROME group of Luxembourgish origin but very inspired by fascist ideals

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reminds me of my childhood makes me cry

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7 hours ago, motel six said:

reminds me of my childhood makes me cry

Bob Dylan made a great song

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On 10/26/2024 at 8:35 AM, Dark Angel said:

 

A perfect extreme metal album.

Have you heard the band Gruesome? They're almost a Leprosy era Death revival band.

 

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13 minutes ago, longtimeman said:

A perfect extreme metal album

I should really listen to Death, i never really have before. The only classic OG death metal acts i really listened to were Autopsy and Pestilence (and carcass but i’d hardly consider that death metal). As for bands from this era, i was always into the more grind stuff like Napalm Death and Repulsion and Carcass or dark stuff like Bathory and Celtic Frost. I kind of thought first wave death metal was boring and the genre really didn’t go anywhere until bands like Deicide and Cannibal corpse in the late 80s early 90s.

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1 hour ago, longtimeman said:

A perfect extreme metal album.

Have you heard the band Gruesome? They're almost a Leprosy era Death revival band.

 

 

i honestly don't know very much metal, i just randomly came across that song in a video, gave it a listen, and liked it

 

more extreme metal like that is very nice to listen to when you're upset or angry lol  

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1 hour ago, X8vinylScratchX said:

I should really listen to Death, i never really have before. The only classic OG death metal acts i really listened to were Autopsy and Pestilence (and carcass but i’d hardly consider that death metal). As for bands from this era, i was always into the more grind stuff like Napalm Death and Repulsion and Carcass or dark stuff like Bathory and Celtic Frost. I kind of thought first wave death metal was boring and the genre really didn’t go anywhere until bands like Deicide and Cannibal corpse in the late 80s early 90s.

Death are like Carcass, in that they have two very different 'eras' with fans of both who seem to hate the other era - either the early, boneheaded simplistic badly produced stuff (which I tend to favour), or the later, technical guitar hero stuff. Death's 'Spiritual Healing' is like their 'Necroticism', which bridges the two. I still remember the confusion and anger when Necrotiicsm came out, and how the older fans called Carcass sellouts for it. (The only comparable thing was when Hammerheart came out from Bathory, and we all lost our minds that there was actual singing on the record

I'd definitely consider Carcass death metal, at least until they became a rock band a few years later. Napalm Death became all death metal by Utopia Banished, and Repulsion were always in their own world. Autopsy are absolutely one of the best bands ever, but I never even listened to them until about a decade ago, mostly put off by their record covers I guess! I'm not a fan of brutal death metal, so can't comment on that (except for Skinless, who are amazing).